What is linux?

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I have Windows 98 on my computer and my friend told me that it is outdated and that I can have linux on my computer. He said to get ubuntu and I emailed him back but he has not replied. How do you install linux. Is it like a CD rom where you put it in your computer and a screen comes up and you click next? I searched for ubuntu and went to their website but I don't quite get what it is or what you do. Any help?
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Ubuntu is a Linux based distribution. There are many other Linux based distributions. I use "Fedora" for all of my home computers which is similar to Ubuntu. Yes, they can be easily installed via a boot DVD. The nice thing about Linux based distributions is they come with just about everything you need to be productive. That is, it comes with an office suite, email software, graphics software, etc, etc. It also comes with technical software like programming languages, web servers, etc if that is what you need, all free of charge and source code included.

http://fedoraproject.org/

http://www.ubuntu.com/
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Don't listen to Void, he doesn't even know how to turn a computer on. What you need to do is get a copy of the MS-DOS operating system. It is currently in alpha testing but you should be able to find it on the net. It is revolutionizing computing as we know it. It will quintuple your pc's performance.
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Void Main wrote:
Ubuntu is a Linux based distribution. There are many other Linux based distributions. I use "Fedora" for all of my home computers which is similar to...
Ubuntu is a Linux based distribution. There are many other Linux based distributions. I use "Fedora" for all of my home computers which is similar to Ubuntu. Yes, they can be easily installed via a boot DVD. The nice thing about Linux based distributions is they come with just about everything you need to be productive. That is, it comes with an office suite, email software, graphics software, etc, etc. It also comes with technical software like programming languages, web servers, etc if that is what you need, all free of charge and source code included.

http://fedoraproject.org/

http://www.ubuntu.com/
That is what I need. But what I need to know is how to burn a "bootable" cd or DVD. Are there any easy to follow instructions for this? Can linux play youtube and music files? I have lot's of music.
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dcmx326 wrote:
Don't listen to Void, he doesn't even know how to turn a computer on. What you need to do is get a copy of the MS-DOS...
Don't listen to Void, he doesn't even know how to turn a computer on. What you need to do is get a copy of the MS-DOS operating system. It is currently in alpha testing but you should be able to find it on the net. It is revolutionizing computing as we know it. It will quintuple your pc's performance.
OK. I will look that up. Void seemed to have given good advice like my friend though. But I will look Msdos up. What is alpha testing? My computer is slow.

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dcmx326 wrote:
Don't listen to Void, he doesn't even know how to turn a computer on. What you need to do is get a copy of the MS-DOS...
Don't listen to Void, he doesn't even know how to turn a computer on. What you need to do is get a copy of the MS-DOS operating system. It is currently in alpha testing but you should be able to find it on the net. It is revolutionizing computing as we know it. It will quintuple your pc's performance.
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OK. I will look that up. Void seemed to have given good advice like my friend though. But I will look Msdos up. What is alpha...
OK. I will look that up. Void seemed to have given good advice like my friend though. But I will look Msdos up. What is alpha testing? My computer is slow.
haha, I am sure you know I was joking. Void is the man with Linux/Unix, listen to him not me.
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dcmx326 wrote:
Don't listen to Void, he doesn't even know how to turn a computer on. What you need to do is get a copy of the MS-DOS...
Don't listen to Void, he doesn't even know how to turn a computer on. What you need to do is get a copy of the MS-DOS operating system. It is currently in alpha testing but you should be able to find it on the net. It is revolutionizing computing as we know it. It will quintuple your pc's performance.
Vazscep wrote:
OK. I will look that up. Void seemed to have given good advice like my friend though. But I will look Msdos up. What is alpha...
OK. I will look that up. Void seemed to have given good advice like my friend though. But I will look Msdos up. What is alpha testing? My computer is slow.
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haha, I am sure you know I was joking. Void is the man with Linux/Unix, listen to him not me.
Oh. I did not know that. I am not that literate with computers even though by profession I am a mathematician at a major university. Ha ha...but like with dirt bikes I am old school and stick to books. My work computer is windows xp but I need a good set up at home for music and all that.
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What is the difference between fedor and ubuntu?
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From what I read, ubuntu is easier for the average computer user to install. I have installed multiple instances of ubuntu and it is pretty easy, but I have not tried any other distrubutions.
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How much RAM is on your old computer? I think you will run into problems if you are trying to hop up a 10+ year old computer.
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How much RAM is on your old computer? I think you will run into problems if you are trying to hop up a 10+ year old...
How much RAM is on your old computer? I think you will run into problems if you are trying to hop up a 10+ year old computer.
If a computer can run win 98, it can run Linux.
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2/11/2011 9:43pm Edited Date/Time 2/11/2011 9:47pm
CamP wrote:
How much RAM is on your old computer? I think you will run into problems if you are trying to hop up a 10+ year old...
How much RAM is on your old computer? I think you will run into problems if you are trying to hop up a 10+ year old computer.
dcmx326 wrote:
If a computer can run win 98, it can run Linux.
It's still going to be slow. You can buy a refurbished Dell with 3 gig ram and 500gb HD for $199. I would do that before I tried hopping up an antique computer.
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He should just sell it on the Antique Road Show and go buy a new one.
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2/11/2011 11:50pm Edited Date/Time 2/11/2011 11:56pm
Void Main wrote:
Ubuntu is a Linux based distribution. There are many other Linux based distributions. I use "Fedora" for all of my home computers which is similar to...
Ubuntu is a Linux based distribution. There are many other Linux based distributions. I use "Fedora" for all of my home computers which is similar to Ubuntu. Yes, they can be easily installed via a boot DVD. The nice thing about Linux based distributions is they come with just about everything you need to be productive. That is, it comes with an office suite, email software, graphics software, etc, etc. It also comes with technical software like programming languages, web servers, etc if that is what you need, all free of charge and source code included.

http://fedoraproject.org/

http://www.ubuntu.com/
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That is what I need. But what I need to know is how to burn a "bootable" cd or DVD. Are there any easy to follow...
That is what I need. But what I need to know is how to burn a "bootable" cd or DVD. Are there any easy to follow instructions for this? Can linux play youtube and music files? I have lot's of music.
On the Fedora page I linked there is a "Download" button and it tells you how to burn the CD. You can actually create a bootable CD that you can run entirely from CD and don't have to install to your hard drive if you just want to try it out (Fedora Live CD). I think Ubuntu also has a Live CD. It is true that you still want a fairly powerful computer with a good amount of RAM (1GB or more) for the best experience. As far as installing both Fedora and Ubuntu are MUCH easier to install than Windows in my opinion. Not only that but when you finish the installation with Linux you are pretty much done. You'll probably have everything you need installed. With Windows you are just starting the installation when you finish the Windows install. You'll still have to install all the other software to make it useful (Office Suite, etc).

Linux will run just fine on older systems with limited resources but for the best "desktop" experience you would want a machine that would be capable of running XP nicely if you are new to Linux. If you are already familiar with Linux you can run other distributions with lighter weight GUIs on older slower systems but keep in mind that takes a little more knowledge to install and use.
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2/12/2011 12:54am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2011 1:04am
Holy fucking shit.

First of all, get rid of that computer.

Second of all, Linux is UNIX. The only reason why it is considered "safe" is because nobody gives a fuck about linux (or unix.) Unless you are in the enterprise environment, there really is no need to implement a linux machine. The fact that people don't write malware for these machines, doesn't mean they are safe. In fact, the mac OS snow leopard has been hacked in seconds. Oh yeah, mac operating systems are based on a unix kernel.

Also linux implementations are getting better these days, but be prepared for some incompatibility issues.
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2/12/2011 3:56am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2011 3:57am
Color me confused. Void seems to know what he is talking about. Here is what I have gathered from pcpitstop.com. My computer has 4 gigs of memory, 250 gigabytes of hard drive space, 1 terabyte of external space, and a newer nvidia gtx 570 video card with Windows Xp. I thought it had windows 98 because that is what I had a couple of years ago on my other computer, but I guess it has been updated by Microsoft. My friend has replied and said Microsoft Windows will cost money and Linux is free. He sent me instructions on how to download ubuntu and burn it and install it. I will try that and let you all know how it goes. My friend said to put all my music, documents and pictures on my exterrnal hard drive so I will try that. Wish me luck I will check back in tomorrow. Thanks for all the help.
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2/12/2011 7:05am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2011 7:14am
Good luck, but like I said, you can try it out using the Live CD first and if you don't think it is for you then you're not out anything because it doesn't touch your hard drive. If you wipe your drive and install Linux and then decide it's not for you you'll have to install Windows from scratch. I can't imagine going back to Windows though. I haven't had any Microsoft product run in my house in over 10 years.

I also bought a used retired desktop computer from my work for $60, added a little RAM, a bigger hard drive I had lying around and a DVD burner (maybe $120 total into it) and shipped it to my mom and dad over a year ago with Fedora 12 on it. I got tired of dad calling me all the time with problems with his Windows computer. He was always getting malware, viruses, screwing stuff up and couldn't figure out how to fix his problem. I kept telling him he wouldn't have those kinds of problems with Linux and I wasn't going to be able to help him much with his Windows because I no longer do Windows.

He's never had any problems with the system I sent him. He doesn't have to run Virus software which slows the system down and is only as good as the last update. He doesn't get malware. He doesn't screw anything up system wise because his user account doesn't have permissions to screw anything up. I should have set him up 10 years ago. He couldn't be happier.
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Somehow this thread has a feel like this is KX100Getter playing a new game.
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Yeah, it could be a game and I thought of that, but even if it is someone may find the information useful.
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I had tried that one shortly after it forked off of Red Hat when it was called Mandrake. I'm sure it's a lot different now because that was a long time ago. Smile
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Void Main wrote:
Yeah, it could be a game and I thought of that, but even if it is someone may find the information useful.
I for one like the bootable disc thing as I have to run Win7 because I support windows but want to play around more at home with Fedora.
It is a pain to have to completely re-install just to test and use for learning on my second laptop which I use for various projects.
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I've never requested Linux. Smile
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OK. I have Ubuntu downloaded and I made a disk with a program called ImgBurn. When I put the CD into the computer, a Ubuntu window comes up. I have saved everything onto my external hard drive and am taking the plunge on this. My friend said that Ubuntu will do everything it needs to with my computer and so I hope I get this done before the races tonight so I can follow livewire. Wish me luck and I will check back later when I get linux on my computer.
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Linux is a Virus.
Once installed on your system it stops the flow of funds to poor folks like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.
2/22/2011 11:06am
Vazscep wrote:
I have Windows 98 on my computer and my friend told me that it is outdated and that I can have linux on my computer. He...
I have Windows 98 on my computer and my friend told me that it is outdated and that I can have linux on my computer. He said to get ubuntu and I emailed him back but he has not replied. How do you install linux. Is it like a CD rom where you put it in your computer and a screen comes up and you click next? I searched for ubuntu and went to their website but I don't quite get what it is or what you do. Any help?
If you are new to Linux, I recommend Linux Mint. It is an easy to use transitional OS for going from Windows to Linux.
2/22/2011 11:10am
also, you stated that you have a lot of music. Download SONGBIRD. It is a great program (similar to itunes)
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2/22/2011 6:07pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2011 6:41pm
Vazscep wrote:
Color me confused. Void seems to know what he is talking about. Here is what I have gathered from pcpitstop.com. My computer has 4 gigs of...
Color me confused. Void seems to know what he is talking about. Here is what I have gathered from pcpitstop.com. My computer has 4 gigs of memory, 250 gigabytes of hard drive space, 1 terabyte of external space, and a newer nvidia gtx 570 video card with Windows Xp. I thought it had windows 98 because that is what I had a couple of years ago on my other computer, but I guess it has been updated by Microsoft. My friend has replied and said Microsoft Windows will cost money and Linux is free. He sent me instructions on how to download ubuntu and burn it and install it. I will try that and let you all know how it goes. My friend said to put all my music, documents and pictures on my exterrnal hard drive so I will try that. Wish me luck I will check back in tomorrow. Thanks for all the help.
You have a GTX570 (that is a $350 dollar video card) that will be next to useless with a linux machine. Are you a gamer, before I continue? What CPU is in that computer?

Linux is not free, btw. It means freedom of choice, rather than lack of cost. If you have a high end video card, like a GTX 570 in your machine, it is just going to suck up power because you won't be able to use it unless you can write drivers and basically port the DirectX protocol.

Lastly, Void you're a programmer, right?

EDIT:

You can play games like this (with a GTX 570) on a linux box without the DirectX API.

http://sathyasays.com/2008/01/12/25-top-3d-linux-games/


What you can't play are games like this: (from a crysis mod, a gtx570 can render this at 25-30fps.)


http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3562/screen13cj.jpg
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I find it humorous that you are telling a guy who just legally downloaded and installed Linux without paying anyone one red cent that Linux isn't free. Do you work for Microsoft? Smile
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2/22/2011 6:56pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2011 6:56pm
Void Main wrote:
I find it humorous that you are telling a guy who just legally downloaded and installed Linux without paying anyone one red cent that Linux isn't...
I find it humorous that you are telling a guy who just legally downloaded and installed Linux without paying anyone one red cent that Linux isn't free. Do you work for Microsoft? Smile
Well are you a programmer?

Would you want people to pay you for your time and effort in writing code? Yes, you can download linux distros for free, but there is a point of limitation that you would need to hire a professional to either script or code solutions (cost.)

I always ask people what they do with their computers. The 3 magic words that i listen for are web, email, and chat. If these are the only things that people want to do with their computers, then I give them linux. Windows is so much farther advanced and supported in every area, including the mentioned above, It's hard not to suggest a hundred dollar investment.

For example, openoffice can't hold a candle to microsoft office. The list goes on....when the guy said he was using windows 98, that was a red flag right away. Now he says he has a GTX 570, and that's a card for playing video games or a PPU using CUDA.

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