Update: Thinking About a Tesla Model 3

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Edited Date/Time 1/15/2020 6:45pm
It’s time for a new driver, and I’ve been really intrigued by Teslas since the Model 3 came out. So, I went and drove two of them last week, a Model 3 Dual motor and a Model 3 Performance. The point of the test drive was hoping that I would hate the car, and therefore making my car purchase that much easier. Well, it didn’t quite work out that way…

The best way to describe the experience was this: The Dual motor is really quick, it throws you back in your seat when you hit the accelerator (notice I didn’t say “gas pedal”, Grinning ). The Performance model….Holy Shit! That thing throws you in the BACK SEAT when you hit the pedal. I had heard people describe Tesla as a “technology company”, not a car company. With that in mind, I was expecting to find some glaring obvious deficiencies with the car, but I just didn’t really see anything from the hour or so I spent with them. They seem to have gotten the “car” part mostly right.

Am I missing something here? I need some input from people with Tesla experience out there to either talk me out of buying one, or talk me into it.
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10/13/2019 4:57pm Edited Date/Time 10/13/2019 4:58pm
I have a Model X and it’s hands down my favorite vehicle ever. The Model 3 was criticized for build quality at first but now it seems to be a lot better and rivaling panel gaps of the top European companies. The Model 3 was the 6th best selling car in America during the last quarter so you aren’t as much of an anomaly as you think.

Don’t buy the Tesla charger, use the charger that comes with it and install a 240 in your garage to charge. You’ll quickly realize how much more convenient it is charging at home compared to buying gasoline or charging at superchargers.

If you need a referral code let me know.
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I doubt you know who Alex Choi is, but he is a YouTber that owns supercars, and his Tesla is his favorite car. After watching his vid i want one! Its like driving an iPhone or some sorta super computer, so many neato tech gadgets.
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I got an insurance quote for a model 3 last week. Been thinking about it but waiting for the truck reveal next week. If the wife's car craps out I would probably replace it with a 3, or a Y. I need for the stock to go up so I can buy one. Smile
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10/14/2019 6:56am
I got an insurance quote for a model 3 last week. Been thinking about it but waiting for the truck reveal next week. If the wife's...
I got an insurance quote for a model 3 last week. Been thinking about it but waiting for the truck reveal next week. If the wife's car craps out I would probably replace it with a 3, or a Y. I need for the stock to go up so I can buy one. Smile
Is the truck reveal this week? Is it during the earnings call? The last I read was Elon stated next month.

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10/14/2019 7:14am Edited Date/Time 10/14/2019 7:16am
The only thing that turns me off about Tesla is what do maintenance and repair costs look like after the warranty is up? It’s not like I’d have it towed to the local dealer.

Edit for grammar
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I got an insurance quote for a model 3 last week. Been thinking about it but waiting for the truck reveal next week. If the wife's...
I got an insurance quote for a model 3 last week. Been thinking about it but waiting for the truck reveal next week. If the wife's car craps out I would probably replace it with a 3, or a Y. I need for the stock to go up so I can buy one. Smile
tcannon521 wrote:
Is the truck reveal this week? Is it during the earnings call? The last I read was Elon stated next month.
Yes, I meant next MONTH. This has been happening more and more where my brain thinks I am typing one thing and my fingers type something completely different. Smile
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tcannon521 wrote:
I have a Model X and it’s hands down my favorite vehicle ever. The Model 3 was criticized for build quality at first but now it...
I have a Model X and it’s hands down my favorite vehicle ever. The Model 3 was criticized for build quality at first but now it seems to be a lot better and rivaling panel gaps of the top European companies. The Model 3 was the 6th best selling car in America during the last quarter so you aren’t as much of an anomaly as you think.

Don’t buy the Tesla charger, use the charger that comes with it and install a 240 in your garage to charge. You’ll quickly realize how much more convenient it is charging at home compared to buying gasoline or charging at superchargers.

If you need a referral code let me know.
Thanks for the info and referral code. I guess there is some BS law in Ohio and Virginia that won't let you use referral codes. We must have some state representatives with ties to Big Auto or something.....
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I doubt you know who Alex Choi is, but he is a YouTber that owns supercars, and his Tesla is his favorite car. After watching his...
I doubt you know who Alex Choi is, but he is a YouTber that owns supercars, and his Tesla is his favorite car. After watching his vid i want one! Its like driving an iPhone or some sorta super computer, so many neato tech gadgets.
I haven't seen Alex Choi, but I have watched countless YouTube vids from people with tons of Tesla content....Like Tesla, Teslanomics, Engineering Explained, ect..... It seems like it is a requirement that if you own a Tesla, you must have a YouTube channel as well Laughing
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I got an insurance quote for a model 3 last week. Been thinking about it but waiting for the truck reveal next week. If the wife's...
I got an insurance quote for a model 3 last week. Been thinking about it but waiting for the truck reveal next week. If the wife's car craps out I would probably replace it with a 3, or a Y. I need for the stock to go up so I can buy one. Smile
What was the difference to insure a Model 3 vs something such as a new Toyota Camry? My agent gave me a "very rough" estimate of $750/year, but said I needed to give them a VIN for an accurate quote. I gave them a VIN the Tesla store provided for me, then they never got back to me. Huh

For comparison's sake, my wife's fully loaded 2018 Subaru Legacy is just over $500/year.
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The only thing that turns me off about Tesla is what do maintenance and repair costs look like after the warranty is up? It’s not like...
The only thing that turns me off about Tesla is what do maintenance and repair costs look like after the warranty is up? It’s not like I’d have it towed to the local dealer.

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That is one of my hangups too. People say the reliability is so great, but I would like to see some long term reports. I live in the rust belt, but even if you don't drive much in the winter, the climate here destroys cars.

Also, what all is proprietary on the car that you or the local shop can't work on? You can put brakes on any common car for like $100 and the parts are at any auto parts store. I wouldn't want to hall the car to the dealership for $1000+ repairs on something I would normally do myself.
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I have a buddy who's boss has an 8 year old Model S that the battery just up and quit. They replaced it no charge as I guess the battery has a 10 year warranty. Now if it was out of warranty I believe it would have been $10k+.
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10/14/2019 10:20am Edited Date/Time 10/14/2019 8:08pm
I got an insurance quote for a model 3 last week. Been thinking about it but waiting for the truck reveal next week. If the wife's...
I got an insurance quote for a model 3 last week. Been thinking about it but waiting for the truck reveal next week. If the wife's car craps out I would probably replace it with a 3, or a Y. I need for the stock to go up so I can buy one. Smile
KHI Guy wrote:
What was the difference to insure a Model 3 vs something such as a new Toyota Camry? My agent gave me a "very rough" estimate of...
What was the difference to insure a Model 3 vs something such as a new Toyota Camry? My agent gave me a "very rough" estimate of $750/year, but said I needed to give them a VIN for an accurate quote. I gave them a VIN the Tesla store provided for me, then they never got back to me. Huh

For comparison's sake, my wife's fully loaded 2018 Subaru Legacy is just over $500/year.
I didn't ask for a difference but it appears that I would be looking at around $1000/year for the model 3 with a $250 deductible. I didn't give them a vin or a model number so I have no idea how that varies within the model 3 range (base model vs performance model). This is through Country Financial. That's more than I want to spend on insurance to be honest. Not sure how Tesla's insurance would compare but I think they're only offering that in California at the moment.
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My parents bought a Model S back in 2015. The car is still mechanically sound with over 60k on it. Range has degraded slightly but nothing out of expected norms. They all seem to retail value better than most cars. Except for the insurance hit there aren't any real negative points I know of except maybe the charging stations are more full than they were a few years ago.
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I test drove a 3 a few years ago and was immediately turned off by the build quality. I wasnt shy about that and the sales guy said well we are a tech company not a car company. The other models seemed to have better build quality at the time. Maybe its time to go take another look.
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10/14/2019 5:59pm
I got an insurance quote for a model 3 last week. Been thinking about it but waiting for the truck reveal next week. If the wife's...
I got an insurance quote for a model 3 last week. Been thinking about it but waiting for the truck reveal next week. If the wife's car craps out I would probably replace it with a 3, or a Y. I need for the stock to go up so I can buy one. Smile
KHI Guy wrote:
What was the difference to insure a Model 3 vs something such as a new Toyota Camry? My agent gave me a "very rough" estimate of...
What was the difference to insure a Model 3 vs something such as a new Toyota Camry? My agent gave me a "very rough" estimate of $750/year, but said I needed to give them a VIN for an accurate quote. I gave them a VIN the Tesla store provided for me, then they never got back to me. Huh

For comparison's sake, my wife's fully loaded 2018 Subaru Legacy is just over $500/year.
I didn't ask for a difference but it appears that I would be looking at around $1000/year for the model 3 with a $250 deductible. I...
I didn't ask for a difference but it appears that I would be looking at around $1000/year for the model 3 with a $250 deductible. I didn't give them a vin or a model number so I have no idea how that varies within the model 3 range (base model vs performance model). This is through Country Financial. That's more than I want to spend on insurance to be honest. Not sure how Tesla's insurance would compare but I think they're only offering that in California at the moment.
My insurance went up when we got our Model X but it wasn’t as bad as I feared it would be.

Farm Bureau

$880 per year

250/500/250 coverages with a $1000 collision and $100 comprehensive deductible. I’m 40 years old for reference
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10/15/2019 6:53am
I was curious about the repairs as well. I did some digging that started with the highest mileage Telsa's. Someone has reported 596,000 miles on their Model S.

https://sites.google.com/view/teslamiles

I also found a company that kept a complete service record of their Tesla over 450,000 miles so far.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HqBIOtNsYPalG51nAw_nubgskv4TQPG…
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The only thing that turns me off about Tesla is what do maintenance and repair costs look like after the warranty is up? It’s not like...
The only thing that turns me off about Tesla is what do maintenance and repair costs look like after the warranty is up? It’s not like I’d have it towed to the local dealer.

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That is one of my hangups too. People say the reliability is so great, but I would like to see some long term reports. I live...
That is one of my hangups too. People say the reliability is so great, but I would like to see some long term reports. I live in the rust belt, but even if you don't drive much in the winter, the climate here destroys cars.

Also, what all is proprietary on the car that you or the local shop can't work on? You can put brakes on any common car for like $100 and the parts are at any auto parts store. I wouldn't want to hall the car to the dealership for $1000+ repairs on something I would normally do myself.
Would be my primary uncertainty also. Kinda doubt there is anywhere around where I'm at that carries Tesla brake & suspension parts - let alone anyone who I'd trust to know the intricacies of changing certain wear parts out.
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10/15/2019 10:45am Edited Date/Time 10/15/2019 10:45am
I was curious about the repairs as well. I did some digging that started with the highest mileage Telsa's. Someone has reported 596,000 miles on their...
I was curious about the repairs as well. I did some digging that started with the highest mileage Telsa's. Someone has reported 596,000 miles on their Model S.

https://sites.google.com/view/teslamiles

I also found a company that kept a complete service record of their Tesla over 450,000 miles so far.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HqBIOtNsYPalG51nAw_nubgskv4TQPG…
Tesloop has some amazing stats they share. As for brakes, if you need them before 250,000+ miles you’re driving the vehicle wrong.

Tesla has service centers plus rangers who come to you. While it’s not ideal for the whole country yet, they have most of the population centers covered.
Tesla is also expanding service centers all the time.

The Model Y coming at late next year plus factories in China and Europe should take them from 400,000 to 500,000 cars this year and next to easily over a million in 2021. They will need a lot more service centers in the coming years.
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Would be my primary uncertainty also. Kinda doubt there is anywhere around where I'm at that carries Tesla brake & suspension parts - let alone anyone...
Would be my primary uncertainty also. Kinda doubt there is anywhere around where I'm at that carries Tesla brake & suspension parts - let alone anyone who I'd trust to know the intricacies of changing certain wear parts out.
Minus the computer system, battery and motors it’s a fairly basic vehicle. That’s the allure to electric vehicles, they have a lot less moving parts to break.
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10/15/2019 11:26am Edited Date/Time 10/15/2019 11:26am
And with regen braking the brakes shouldn't wear out very fast at all. Hopefully they start adding super caps to the battery system at some point. Then nearly all braking could be regenerative.
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I test drove a 3 a few years ago and was immediately turned off by the build quality. I wasnt shy about that and the sales...
I test drove a 3 a few years ago and was immediately turned off by the build quality. I wasnt shy about that and the sales guy said well we are a tech company not a car company. The other models seemed to have better build quality at the time. Maybe its time to go take another look.
I had heard that the early VINs were rough in the fit and finish department. The current ones have supposedly come a long way. I can live with some minor fit and finish issues as long as the car doesn't fall apart. I try to keep cars I like as long as possible.
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What was the difference to insure a Model 3 vs something such as a new Toyota Camry? My agent gave me a "very rough" estimate of...
What was the difference to insure a Model 3 vs something such as a new Toyota Camry? My agent gave me a "very rough" estimate of $750/year, but said I needed to give them a VIN for an accurate quote. I gave them a VIN the Tesla store provided for me, then they never got back to me. Huh

For comparison's sake, my wife's fully loaded 2018 Subaru Legacy is just over $500/year.
I didn't ask for a difference but it appears that I would be looking at around $1000/year for the model 3 with a $250 deductible. I...
I didn't ask for a difference but it appears that I would be looking at around $1000/year for the model 3 with a $250 deductible. I didn't give them a vin or a model number so I have no idea how that varies within the model 3 range (base model vs performance model). This is through Country Financial. That's more than I want to spend on insurance to be honest. Not sure how Tesla's insurance would compare but I think they're only offering that in California at the moment.
tcannon521 wrote:
My insurance went up when we got our Model X but it wasn’t as bad as I feared it would be. Farm Bureau $880 per year...
My insurance went up when we got our Model X but it wasn’t as bad as I feared it would be.

Farm Bureau

$880 per year

250/500/250 coverages with a $1000 collision and $100 comprehensive deductible. I’m 40 years old for reference
I called my agent again yesterday for a quote. Still waiting...Whistling
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10/15/2019 3:19pm Edited Date/Time 10/15/2019 3:54pm
It depends on how hard you drive your car. Like he said, majority will have very little brake pad wear but if you drive your car hard or ever drive it on the track they'll wear pretty quickly. Super capacitors could solve that issue even if you race it.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-tesla-model-3-burned-a-set-of-bra…

https://youtu.be/YMl41JzQLWE

Also (Tesla owners correct me if I am wrong) but I believe there are different modes that you can put it in to use more or less regen for your braking. From what I understand some people prefer old school feel, which would use more brake pad than regen.
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Every vehicle I own has needed brake work before the pads were worn out. Hopefully Tesla doesn't use the junk steel for rotors that every other manufacturer is using. The rotors always seem to warp, or start to pit with rust spots after a couple of years. Every Honda I have ever owned has had the brake caliper pins freeze at some point. Not that big of a deal (but still a pain) when parts are plentiful and inexpensive, but my fear is that a $50 and two hour job on a Honda would be a $1,500 and two days in the shop with a Tesla. I have never asked them, but I could see something stupid like refusing to sell you parts to work on it yourself.
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It depends on how hard you drive your car. Like he said, majority will have very little brake pad wear but if you drive your car...
It depends on how hard you drive your car. Like he said, majority will have very little brake pad wear but if you drive your car hard or ever drive it on the track they'll wear pretty quickly. Super capacitors could solve that issue even if you race it.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-tesla-model-3-burned-a-set-of-bra…

https://youtu.be/YMl41JzQLWE

Also (Tesla owners correct me if I am wrong) but I believe there are different modes that you can put it in to use more or less regen for your braking. From what I understand some people prefer old school feel, which would use more brake pad than regen.
I’ve never heard of anyone using low regeneration. A lot of users use chill mode which takes some of aggressiveness out of acceleration.
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I called my agent again yesterday for a quote. Still waiting...Whistling
Which location are you dealing with?
10/15/2019 5:38pm Edited Date/Time 10/15/2019 5:38pm
And with regen braking the brakes shouldn't wear out very fast at all. Hopefully they start adding super caps to the battery system at some point...
And with regen braking the brakes shouldn't wear out very fast at all. Hopefully they start adding super caps to the battery system at some point. Then nearly all braking could be regenerative.
I hope someday ultra caps are used for something with electric vehicles. I’m not sure regeneration is where the focus should be. Here’s my reason:

Model X charge rate: 200kw max
Model X regeneration rate: 50kw max

Chevy Bolt charge rate: 50kw max
Chevy Bolt regeneration rate: 70kw max

There’s a lot of room for improvement with energy going back to the current battery pack for Tesla.
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And with regen braking the brakes shouldn't wear out very fast at all. Hopefully they start adding super caps to the battery system at some point...
And with regen braking the brakes shouldn't wear out very fast at all. Hopefully they start adding super caps to the battery system at some point. Then nearly all braking could be regenerative.
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I hope someday ultra caps are used for something with electric vehicles. I’m not sure regeneration is where the focus should be. Here’s my reason: Model...
I hope someday ultra caps are used for something with electric vehicles. I’m not sure regeneration is where the focus should be. Here’s my reason:

Model X charge rate: 200kw max
Model X regeneration rate: 50kw max

Chevy Bolt charge rate: 50kw max
Chevy Bolt regeneration rate: 70kw max

There’s a lot of room for improvement with energy going back to the current battery pack for Tesla.
I didn't realize that about the regen numbers. Could it save on battery cycling by storing that regen power for acceleration power without having to hit the battery? At least not have to hit it as hard?
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KHI Guy wrote:
Every vehicle I own has needed brake work before the pads were worn out. Hopefully Tesla doesn't use the junk steel for rotors that every other...
Every vehicle I own has needed brake work before the pads were worn out. Hopefully Tesla doesn't use the junk steel for rotors that every other manufacturer is using. The rotors always seem to warp, or start to pit with rust spots after a couple of years. Every Honda I have ever owned has had the brake caliper pins freeze at some point. Not that big of a deal (but still a pain) when parts are plentiful and inexpensive, but my fear is that a $50 and two hour job on a Honda would be a $1,500 and two days in the shop with a Tesla. I have never asked them, but I could see something stupid like refusing to sell you parts to work on it yourself.
I agree, and $1,500 seems steep, but with no oil changes, air filters, coolant, belts, fuel filters, and most importantly gas, I wonder how $1,500 stacks up compared to an ICE car? Granted it’s a $1,500 hit which sucks, but compared to $50 here and $100 there for the various needs of an ICE car, I imagine overall the cost for electric would have to be cheaper over the long term? It just seems like there’s a lot less moving parts which means a lot less to wear out, but I don’t know, I don’t own one. I am convinced electric is where it’s at though, just waiting for something that fits our needs. I’m really interested in the electric F-150 that’s coming. Once they’ve been out a bit and I’m convinced the bugs have been worked out, I may replace this 13mpg Tundra I’m driving. lol

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