Rmember that Adam Lambert guy from American Idol?

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Released his first (real) single a few days ago. It's a song made for the movie '2012' - kind of reminiscent of Aerosmith's song from the Armageddon movie years ago with the whole epic ballad feel to it. Pretty damn good first effort with a good kick to it with some vocal acrobatics towards the end of the song. It was written by Lady Gaga. Here's a link to the video. Yeah, I'm a geek, but he's the best male vocalist on the planet.http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=64424781
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Was he the straight guy or the fruitcake? I get them mixed up.
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Was he the straight guy or the fruitcake? I get them mixed up.
I use the term "male vocalist" pretty loosely here, if that answers your question.
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Was he the straight guy or the fruitcake? I get them mixed up.
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Not bad
I don't particularly like the song arrangement, but it's ok
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That was Melodyned to death.

It is the newer style autotune that gives you more options. It is much better than using autotune, but it still leaves artifacts that are easy to hear if you know what to listen for.

Sad what passes as a good singer these days.

I'd have more respect for these pop stars if they were actually off every once in a while, instead of tuned crazy like that.
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kdx man wrote:
That was Melodyned to death. It is the newer style autotune that gives you more options. It is much better than using autotune, but it still...
That was Melodyned to death.

It is the newer style autotune that gives you more options. It is much better than using autotune, but it still leaves artifacts that are easy to hear if you know what to listen for.

Sad what passes as a good singer these days.

I'd have more respect for these pop stars if they were actually off every once in a while, instead of tuned crazy like that.
that explains a lot. I didn't know they could do that.

As far as this particular song goes, it's one I wouldn't bother to listen to again.
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kdx man wrote:
That was Melodyned to death. It is the newer style autotune that gives you more options. It is much better than using autotune, but it still...
That was Melodyned to death.

It is the newer style autotune that gives you more options. It is much better than using autotune, but it still leaves artifacts that are easy to hear if you know what to listen for.

Sad what passes as a good singer these days.

I'd have more respect for these pop stars if they were actually off every once in a while, instead of tuned crazy like that.
I would love to hear what Walter Sear would say about autotune. LOL

THAT would be fun to hear.
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Was he the straight guy or the fruitcake? I get them mixed up.
That Chad Reed lookin' dudette..

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kdx man wrote:
That was Melodyned to death. It is the newer style autotune that gives you more options. It is much better than using autotune, but it still...
That was Melodyned to death.

It is the newer style autotune that gives you more options. It is much better than using autotune, but it still leaves artifacts that are easy to hear if you know what to listen for.

Sad what passes as a good singer these days.

I'd have more respect for these pop stars if they were actually off every once in a while, instead of tuned crazy like that.
Racer92 wrote:
I would love to hear what Walter Sear would say about autotune. LOL

THAT would be fun to hear.
You have no idea how long it took for him to allow a computer in the control room just so his console could have flying fader automation.
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He's using autotune in that song? I only listened to it on my laptop which has crappy speakers but it's not obvious like it is with other songs I've heard it used (and usuall/always sounds like shit). I am surprised Adam would use one since he has such great control over his voice. I wonder if the movie is available for download yet? Smile
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It's not autotune - it is a program called Melodyne. It basically breaks up every syllable, and allows you to change the pitch, length, vocal inflections, and timbre
of the voice or instrument.



Also, auto tune is not supposed to sound like people are making it sound these days. It is supposed to be for mild pitch correction - but "producers" are using it as an effect these days.

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Apparently, the new release is going to allow you to play a guitar, and then change each individual string to a different pitch.

We are entering dangerous territory here folks.



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10/21/2009 6:41pm Edited Date/Time 10/21/2009 6:42pm
yzthumpa wrote:
Released his first (real) single a few days ago. It's a song made for the movie '2012' - kind of reminiscent of Aerosmith's song from the...
Released his first (real) single a few days ago. It's a song made for the movie '2012' - kind of reminiscent of Aerosmith's song from the Armageddon movie years ago with the whole epic ballad feel to it. Pretty damn good first effort with a good kick to it with some vocal acrobatics towards the end of the song. It was written by Lady Gaga. Here's a link to the video. Yeah, I'm a geek, but he's the best male vocalist on the planet.http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=64424781
I don't give a damn if he sings like the angel Gabriel, that song blows.
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kdx man wrote:
Apparently, the new release is going to allow you to play a guitar, and then change each individual string to a different pitch. We are entering...
Apparently, the new release is going to allow you to play a guitar, and then change each individual string to a different pitch.

We are entering dangerous territory here folks.



So is this post processing? My guitar processor already has a lot of real time pitch processing. I guess that changes the pitch of all strings though and not individual strings.
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Yes. You can just take a guitar, plug it into an amp, and record the guitar parts that you want. Then you import the audio file into the Melodyne program. You can split up individual notes from each chord and make it any note your heart desires.

It is crazy.
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You mean I wasted all those years practicing for nothing?!?
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kdx man wrote:
Apparently, the new release is going to allow you to play a guitar, and then change each individual string to a different pitch. We are entering...
Apparently, the new release is going to allow you to play a guitar, and then change each individual string to a different pitch.

We are entering dangerous territory here folks.



Why is this dangerous territory?
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because any fucking retard no talent hack can now sing and play pretty much any instrument and make an album.
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quit being so scared of technology kdx...

Adam fucking rocks, it's good to see someone carry the torch.
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10/22/2009 5:01am Edited Date/Time 10/22/2009 5:04am
wildbill wrote:
quit being so scared of technology kdx...

Adam fucking rocks, it's good to see someone carry the torch.
You're right, Adam doesn't need to use the tool to sound awesome. KDX is saying that with this technology William Hung can make an album that sounds as good as Adam Lambert, although in William Hung's case I would bet that would take considerable tweaking effort on the computer using this tool. Smile
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wildbill wrote:
quit being so scared of technology kdx...

Adam fucking rocks, it's good to see someone carry the torch.
Void Main wrote:
You're right, Adam doesn't need to use the tool to sound awesome. KDX is saying that with this technology William Hung can make an album that...
You're right, Adam doesn't need to use the tool to sound awesome. KDX is saying that with this technology William Hung can make an album that sounds as good as Adam Lambert, although in William Hung's case I would bet that would take considerable tweaking effort on the computer using this tool. Smile
But I'm guessing they can't do the stuff live on stage that they can do in the studio. When Adam was on Idol, I much preferred the live versions of his performances over the studio versions. I know this song is cheesy, but that's how most "disaster movie soundtrack songs" sound. His real album gets released Nov. 24. Some of it will be dance music, using the same producers as Lady Gaga and Katie Perry. But half the album was cut with the producer (Rob Cavallo) who worked with Green Day and My Chemical Romance. Going to have a little classic rock stuff on there too.
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kdx man wrote:
It's not autotune - it is a program called Melodyne. It basically breaks up every syllable, and allows you to change the pitch, length, vocal inflections...
It's not autotune - it is a program called Melodyne. It basically breaks up every syllable, and allows you to change the pitch, length, vocal inflections, and timbre
of the voice or instrument.



Also, auto tune is not supposed to sound like people are making it sound these days. It is supposed to be for mild pitch correction - but "producers" are using it as an effect these days.





Mr. Sear nailed it:



Guttenberg: Why does it seem as if most of the "advances" in recording technology have had a negative effect on musical values?

Sear: The level of pop musicianship has gone down—they can't play anymore. That's why multitrack was invented, which in some ways further destroyed music.

Guttenberg: How's that?

Sear: People wanted perfect recordings. Listen, I earned my living as a professional musician for 45 years in New York, and I occasionally cracked a note, and busted a number of good ones in my career. But the musicality was there. Somewhere along the way, the audiences wanted live performances to sound like recordings. So I learned not to try to hit those triple-forte notes anymore, I played it safe, and the music suffered for it. Same thing applied to recording sessions—the producer wouldn't hire you again unless you played it safe. With multitrack you can record one instrument at a time, and you just keep punching in until you make it perfect. But after 28 takes, what have you got? And now, with digital editing systems, you can pitch-correct an out-of-tune vocal, but that always diminishes the performance. Lose that, and you've lost the music.

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