Even The Terrorists Can See.....

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Dogger
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3/21/2009 5:56am
What A fake Obama is. It's just kinda funny hearing it from them.Smile



"He (Obama) insulted the Islamic Republic of Iran from the first day. If you are right that change has come, where is that change? What is the sign of that change? Make it clear for us what has changed."




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3/21/2009 6:14am
So now Iranians are credible?

HAHAHAHAHA.......



Just keep swimming, just keep swimming....


Hahaha...
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3/21/2009 6:27am
Apparently he felt that he needed to take them seriously enough to go kissing their azzes in that video address. Tongue

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3/21/2009 7:43am
So, before, if the "terrorists" said something, it was ridiculous. But now, because YOU agree with THEM, they're credible?
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3/21/2009 7:45am
So, before, if the "terrorists" said something, it was ridiculous. But now, because YOU agree with THEM, they're credible?
No, but i find it interesting that even those dumbasses can see what the kool-aid drinkers can't.
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Dogger agrees with and loves terrorists
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3/21/2009 8:09am
The difference is, GWB didn't go on public TV like a idiot kissing their azzes.

Liberals always think "well, if we leave them alone, they won't bother us" like some whimps cowering to a school yard bully.

It's a flawed and frankly, comical logic.
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3/21/2009 8:44am
seen any attacks against America lately?...just let me know if you hear about any.

There will be some in our future though with the libs in charge. Cool
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3/21/2009 8:54am
Dogger wrote:
seen any attacks against America lately?...just let me know if you hear about any. There will be some in our future though with the libs in...
seen any attacks against America lately?...just let me know if you hear about any.

There will be some in our future though with the libs in charge. Cool
Does cheney have his hand up your hole working you like a puppet ?
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Dogger wrote:
seen any attacks against America lately?...just let me know if you hear about any. There will be some in our future though with the libs in...
seen any attacks against America lately?...just let me know if you hear about any.

There will be some in our future though with the libs in charge. Cool
Well, of course, since attacks on US Soil were a daily occurrence, I can see your logic
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3/21/2009 9:22am
flarider wrote:
Well, of course, since attacks on US Soil were a daily occurrence, I can see your logic
Not in America, against America.

Here's Clinton's record.

September 11: the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center (WTC I); the 1996 attack on the U.S. military barracks Khobar Towers, in Saudi Arabia; the 1998 attacks on U.S. Embassies in Africa; the 1999 "Millennium" plot; and the 2000 attack on U.S.S. Cole.

I'm sure Obama will eclipse Clinton's record though, no worries.
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3/21/2009 9:25am
and thanks to Bush, there are attacks against American's DAILY
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3/21/2009 9:26am
flarider wrote:
Well, of course, since attacks on US Soil were a daily occurrence, I can see your logic
Dogger wrote:
Not in America, against America. Here's Clinton's record. September 11: the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center (WTC I); the 1996 attack on the U.S...
Not in America, against America.

Here's Clinton's record.

September 11: the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center (WTC I); the 1996 attack on the U.S. military barracks Khobar Towers, in Saudi Arabia; the 1998 attacks on U.S. Embassies in Africa; the 1999 "Millennium" plot; and the 2000 attack on U.S.S. Cole.

I'm sure Obama will eclipse Clinton's record though, no worries.
I do have to agree with you on the response to those attacks. The people responsible for those understand one thing. We responded in a manner that was perceived as weak. The responses should have been very heavy handed.
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3/21/2009 9:28am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:01pm
I don't know how I feel about this yet... I just don't know if this guy is authentic or not. That's MY opinion.

But I'll tune in next week for episode II, "Barry speaks to Kim Jong-il and the great people of North Korea".

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Yeah, only pussies try diplomacy.
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3/21/2009 10:02am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2009 10:37am
Real world diplomatic negotiations are very different from intellectual debates in a university where an issue is decided on the merit of the arguments and negotiators make a deal by splitting the difference. Though diplomatic agreements can sometimes be reached among liberal democratic nations by appealing to higher principles, most real world diplomacy has traditionally been heavily influenced by hard power.

Hard Power - Hard power is a term used in international relations. Hard power is a theory that describes using military and economic means to influence the behavior or interests of other political bodies.

Soft Power - The basic concept of soft power is the ability to affect others to get the outcomes you want. There are three major ways to do that: one is to threaten coercion (sticks); the second is to pay (carrots); the third is to attract them or co-opt them, so that they want what you want. If you can get others to be attracted to want what you want, (to help set their preferences),it costs you much less in carrots and sticks.

Which form of diplomacy works best? We'll find out I suppose..
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3/21/2009 10:10am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2009 10:14am
Additionally...

The success of soft power heavily depends on the actor’s reputation within the international community, as well as the flow of information between actors. Thus, soft power is often associated with the rise of globalization and neoliberal international relations theory. Popular culture and media is regularly identified as a source of soft power, as is the spread of a national language, or a particular set of normative structures; a nation with a large amount of soft power and the good will that engenders it inspire others to acculturate, avoiding the need for expensive hard power expenditures. Because soft power has appeared as an alternative to raw power politics, it is often embraced by ethically-minded scholars and policymakers. But soft power is a descriptive rather than a normative concept. Like any form of power, it can be wielded for good or bad purposes. Hitler, Stalin, Mao and bin Laden all possessed a great deal of soft power in the eyes of their acolytes, but that did not make it good. While soft power can be used with bad intentions and wreak horrible consequences, it does differ in terms of means. It is on this dimension that one might construct a normative preference for greater use of soft power.
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3/21/2009 10:35am
So why did King Obama make them a video?

All fluff or more, I'm the coolest POTUS ever!
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3/21/2009 10:42am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2009 11:34am
flarider wrote:
Yeah, only pussies try diplomacy.
By the time the Cole attack happened, we should have already responded with massive force. Try diplomacy but if they don't get it then step 2 is to let them know, do not F'around.
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3/21/2009 11:31am
I agree with them, I think they should all rot in hell, but they have a point.

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