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Republicans vs democrats. Is it possible?

Things sure look real nasty lately....
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Anything is possible but I'm inclined to think that it'll be more of a revolutionary war rather than civil war. We can't continue on our current path for much longer before we have a major collapse. I think when that happens Americans will finally wake up and start to revolt against the government.
GoldenState54 8/16/2012 2:21pm
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Funny, a guy that came here legally from the Philippines told me the same thing one time.
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vet323 8/16/2012 2:25pm
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You mean Joe the Plumber wants to police our southern border the same way Mexico polices theirs?

Huh.

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Skip376 8/16/2012 2:28pm
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kongols wrote:
Republicans vs democrats. Is it possible?

Things sure look real nasty lately....
I think democrats and republicans are close enough on the idea that the government isn't doing it's job correctly that it would cause more of a "revolution" and not a civil war. I do feel it will be fought in a much different way.
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Skip376 8/16/2012 2:29pm
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I'm glad you could almost stay on topic here.
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reded 8/16/2012 2:31pm
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At least he's consistent. Answers everything with "Romneys a fuck up!".
gabrielmalinois 8/16/2012 3:19pm
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Ron Paul is a racist right wing blowhard who is in Congress. Too bad RP in retiring and fading off into obscurity where he belongs or they could form the two man racist right wing blowhard caucus.
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Skip376 8/16/2012 3:50pm
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Why can't you keep to the discussion of what the thread starter intended?
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Skip376 wrote:
Why can't you keep to the discussion of what the thread starter intended?
My thoughts exactly. OF can you form an opinion of your own on the OP's question and then type it out in complete sentences? I'd really like to hear your opinion rather than a quote from a political journalist that has nothingto do with the current topic.
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Reality is that neither party wants to really be in a position where they have all the power needed to really correct the problems we are facing.

They each want to be a majority, but not so much that they can't still blame the other.

It will stay like this until we are so past the tipping point that there is no more money (or debt) for politicians to use to buy their own constituents’ votes.

How far off can that be when half the people pay no federal taxes and more people going on disability than are being hired?
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musmanni 8/16/2012 5:33pm
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Thats what depressions are for. A good old depression, where millions of people are standing in food lines, will do wonders for a countries work ethic and solidarity.

In reality I would rather people realize they need to sacrifice on their own but that doesn't seem to happen. So, a depression is inevitable and that last economic crisis we had, was not painful enough to change us. I was hoping for a full scale collapse so we could get back to work fixing things. All we got was a bailout that will just make the inevitable worse.

Democracy is not what fails us, its the people not utilizing the democracy correctly.
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The most profound words you have ever posted here. All you Obama huggers and Romney huggers, take note!

They all promise that if you elect them, the skies will be blue and the birds will chirp. None of them have the guts to tell you the truth.
gabrielmalinois 8/17/2012 7:32am
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I think a full on civil war or even a major Revolution would be very unlikely here in America. What I think is far more likely is if the Federal Government collapses then we will either revert to state governments or form new states based on region. Honestly I think this is our best option moving forward because regionally we for the most part share values where nationally we really don't. You could divide it up like this South, North East, Mid West, Texas, Central, South West, West Coast, Hawaii and Alaska. I think that is where we are headed, and I don't even think it would be violent. All the chicken littles here forget that we have governments in place besides our Federal Government and they will continue if our Federal Government fails.
gabrielmalinois 8/17/2012 7:54am
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If the Federal Government fails then the Constitution didn't resolve the chaos well enough. In think in this scenario the states or new regional states would be completely independent of one another so I don't think it would be like a pre constitutional America it would be more like a pre EU Europe.
gabrielmalinois 8/17/2012 8:34am
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Why do think I hate the Federal Government? It will fail someday whether it is in your or my lifetime who knows? There are many here who thinks it may happen tomorrow I on the other hand think our economic situation is just a dip and will correct itself. When it does fail though and if in that time we are still a superpower then yeah of course it will be chaotic, however our states have constitutions, a government, a military and police force which will remain intact when the Federal Government fails and as Robert Frost said "In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on"
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jtomasik 8/17/2012 9:09am
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It's panic mode. Neither side has a viable solution, both have enacted policy that's only made it worse, and to keep their jobs all they can do is point the finger. What's really comical is that it's all the fault of the big party voter. I like the dolts here that say, "uh, the other guy is worse, and my vote only counts if I vote for my douchebag...." Classic.

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gabrielmalinois 8/17/2012 9:13am
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I am not saying it is likely to fail any time soon, but it can and eventually will. If there is a nuclear war then "life going on" is going look a whole lot different, but again those nuclear weapons reside in states and will be under the control of the government of those states. Nations rise and fall and the U.S.A. is no exception. I am guessing the original poster was born in a nation that no longer exists, we or our kids may have been as well. I am just saying when our nation as we know it ends I don't think it will be by civil war or revolution but by an economic collapse causing already existing governments to fill the vacuum and possibly create new regional alliances or nations.
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vet323 8/17/2012 9:31am
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jtomasik wrote:
It's panic mode. Neither side has a viable solution, both have enacted policy that's only made it worse, and to keep their jobs all they can...
It's panic mode. Neither side has a viable solution, both have enacted policy that's only made it worse, and to keep their jobs all they can do is point the finger. What's really comical is that it's all the fault of the big party voter. I like the dolts here that say, "uh, the other guy is worse, and my vote only counts if I vote for my douchebag...." Classic.
It's not panic mode, this is how politics is now. There is no "solution", only things that can be done to change things and help one demographic or another for a short time (until policies are exploited unfairly and abandoned for some other policies).

There are ups and downs with every economy and during everyone's lifetime. The election of Romney or re-election of President Obama won't mean the end of the US. The US economy will recover eventually, the only variable is how long it will take and how long it will last. But it WILL recover-despite whoever is in office. And then something will happen and it'll crater again for a while.

Other people are no stupider than you are, jto-even if they vote for a big party. Saying people are "dolts" because they vote for a big party candidate expecting change is as accurate as pointing out that a person like you (or oldfart) is a dolt for voting for a fringe candidate like L.Ron Paul and expecting anything at all.

Just because someone thinks differently than you doesn't mean they are stupid.
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vet323 8/17/2012 10:02am
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Oh, and Robert Frost died in 1963-so he lived w/nuclear weapons.
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Skip376 8/17/2012 10:34am
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"Oh, and doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result..."

Why do people think this is the "real" definition of insanity when it's not?
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jtomasik 8/17/2012 10:38am
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Skip376 wrote:
"Oh, and doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result..." Why do people think this is the "real" definition of insanity when...
"Oh, and doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result..."

Why do people think this is the "real" definition of insanity when it's not?
I never called it insanity. I am calling it ignorance.
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Skip376 wrote:
"Oh, and doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result..." Why do people think this is the "real" definition of insanity when...
"Oh, and doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result..."

Why do people think this is the "real" definition of insanity when it's not?
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I never called it insanity. I am calling it ignorance.
Nice try on the escape.
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jtomasik 8/17/2012 10:47am
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Skip376 wrote:
"Oh, and doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result..." Why do people think this is the "real" definition of insanity when...
"Oh, and doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result..."

Why do people think this is the "real" definition of insanity when it's not?
jtomasik wrote:
I never called it insanity. I am calling it ignorance.
Skip376 wrote:
Nice try on the escape.
Read through my dialogue Skip and in the post that started this discussion, I called the people who keep voting in the big party politicians (who do the same thing over and over) "dolts". Vet called me out on it, which I was referring to. Check the definition of "dolt" yourself...it isn't insanity.
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Skip376 8/17/2012 11:06am
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jtomasik wrote:
I never called it insanity. I am calling it ignorance.
Skip376 wrote:
Nice try on the escape.
jtomasik wrote:
Read through my dialogue Skip and in the post that started this discussion, I called the people who keep voting in the big party politicians (who...
Read through my dialogue Skip and in the post that started this discussion, I called the people who keep voting in the big party politicians (who do the same thing over and over) "dolts". Vet called me out on it, which I was referring to. Check the definition of "dolt" yourself...it isn't insanity.
According to a very popular novel it is and that's where that idea actually comes from.

I'm more just busting your balls as I feel there is a better word for people like that other than the two that people like to juse which is dumb or insane. My word might upset people a bit more though,
gabrielmalinois 8/17/2012 11:42am
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jtomasik wrote:
I never called it insanity. I am calling it ignorance.
Skip376 wrote:
Nice try on the escape.
jtomasik wrote:
Read through my dialogue Skip and in the post that started this discussion, I called the people who keep voting in the big party politicians (who...
Read through my dialogue Skip and in the post that started this discussion, I called the people who keep voting in the big party politicians (who do the same thing over and over) "dolts". Vet called me out on it, which I was referring to. Check the definition of "dolt" yourself...it isn't insanity.
This is a constant theme of yours and there are many reasons why I disagree with it but the main one right now is, what is the alternative? The fact is there has never been a decent third party candidate. If you consider Ron Paul third party which he is not then you are asking the "dolts" to nominate and elect somebody who is running on a 100% unsubstantiated ideology and 0% in the leadership, experience and proven track record department. He is also 77 years old, that would mean 81 after his first term and 85 at the end of his second. Electing somebody that old with no leadership experience and running on many strange theories that few (if none) experts agree with would be really stupid and I would consider anybody who votes for Paul worse than you consider those who vote for a major party candidate. So when there is a decent alternative candidate with leadership experience and ideas that make sense I and many others will consider them. Until then I will vote for the best candidate in the field.
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jtomasik 8/17/2012 11:50am
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Skip376 wrote:
Nice try on the escape.
jtomasik wrote:
Read through my dialogue Skip and in the post that started this discussion, I called the people who keep voting in the big party politicians (who...
Read through my dialogue Skip and in the post that started this discussion, I called the people who keep voting in the big party politicians (who do the same thing over and over) "dolts". Vet called me out on it, which I was referring to. Check the definition of "dolt" yourself...it isn't insanity.
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This is a constant theme of yours and there are many reasons why I disagree with it but the main one right now is, what is...
This is a constant theme of yours and there are many reasons why I disagree with it but the main one right now is, what is the alternative? The fact is there has never been a decent third party candidate. If you consider Ron Paul third party which he is not then you are asking the "dolts" to nominate and elect somebody who is running on a 100% unsubstantiated ideology and 0% in the leadership, experience and proven track record department. He is also 77 years old, that would mean 81 after his first term and 85 at the end of his second. Electing somebody that old with no leadership experience and running on many strange theories that few (if none) experts agree with would be really stupid and I would consider anybody who votes for Paul worse than you consider those who vote for a major party candidate. So when there is a decent alternative candidate with leadership experience and ideas that make sense I and many others will consider them. Until then I will vote for the best candidate in the field.
Holy crap, you're saying Congressman Paul has no experience? What the heck do you think he's doing as a Congressman? And, Romney's "experience" doesn't qualify him run this country anymore than Clinton's or Bush's did. It's their policy that's the issue. And, Romney, like Obama, is promising the same crappy approaches that got us into this mess.

Look at the link below, and you read through them. I'm still educating myself on them. The only one I know of is Johnson, right now, because he's a Libertarian and I follow that party every election (including local elections). Oh, and if you insist on private business experience, Johnson was a self made millionare not by dabbling in the stock market and playing money games, but by building a mechanical contracting business which resulted in over 1000 jobs and $38 million in revenue.



I won't decide until I'm done studying these guys.

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What burns me up is the "wasted vote" theory. Uh, it is only because people refuse to get outside the big party box and realize their candidate is truly not better than the other.

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