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smit9722
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Edited Date/Time 11/2/2013 10:06am


I am wondering what my friends in the moto community think about this ticket that I got. I know my friends in the bicycle community thinks its pretty stupid but thougth I would see what other people thought.
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10/18/2013 10:51am
Cops was a total butt and totally wrong! You have every right to ride on the street and miss glass and crap. Plus man think of all the laws that A hole breaks all day! Speeding, rolling stop signs etc what bunch of crap! HAr like Old funk said at 3:40 a bike has to veer off in the road to miss the dumbass cop blocking the lane!
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10/18/2013 11:06am
Besides the fact that that particular cop was a jerk...I wish cops would ticket cyclists MORE OFTEN for riding on the white line when there is a bike lane/shoulder for them to ride on. It's just plain dangerous (to them, and the motorists that have to drive on the yellow line going around them).

I was driving down a two lane road two weeks ago, with my wife and three kids in the car, that had a 4-6 foot bike lane...and I come up on a cyclist who is riding right on the white line (with ear phones in his ears)...as I'm coming up on him, there is a man hole cover right in the middle of the white line...rather than go around it to the right...he goes around it to the left (coming directly into my lane...while I'm RIGHT behind him). I either have to hit him, or swerve into the other lane. Fortunately for him, there was no on coming traffic and I was able to swerve into the other lane to miss him (but if there was oncoming traffic I would have hit him before I put my family in a head on collision).

Cyclist need to stay off the white line. So I wish more cops would ticket them when they do.

Flats or no flats...it doesn't matter...they are a road hazard and a danger when they are on the white line.
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10/18/2013 12:37pm Edited Date/Time 10/18/2013 12:38pm
Many times its not the law or the fact a person is given a citation that causes citizens to get pissed, its that many cops are just total worthless douche bags.

Cops need to learn to hide their piece of shit personalities, if they did, things would go much smoother and the public wouldn't hate them as much.

Any cop that shows attitude, for situations that are not threatening, should be fired.
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10/18/2013 3:02pm
musmanni wrote:
Many times its not the law or the fact a person is given a citation that causes citizens to get pissed, its that many cops are...
Many times its not the law or the fact a person is given a citation that causes citizens to get pissed, its that many cops are just total worthless douche bags.

Cops need to learn to hide their piece of shit personalities, if they did, things would go much smoother and the public wouldn't hate them as much.

Any cop that shows attitude, for situations that are not threatening, should be fired.
That is a different topic...on topic cyclists need to stay away from the white line. It's a road hazard...it endangers themselves and motorists and they need to be cited MORE often for it...

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10/18/2013 7:05pm
While I think that cop was being a bit overzealous, if the law states you can't ride your bike in the traffic lane then you can't ride your bike in the traffic lane. That said, we have all these bike lanes going up around our city and it seems to give cyclists the idea that they now have carte blanch when it comes to traffic rules. They ride side by side, they blow stop signs and traffic lights, they ride on the wrong side of the road. The list goes on. They complain in the media about how car drivers are not respecting the lanes, yet they seem to think the rules don't apply to them. I'd love to see more tickets handed out but I\m also glad our cops are concentrating on more important issues.
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10/18/2013 7:35pm
TerryK wrote:
While I think that cop was being a bit overzealous, if the law states you can't ride your bike in the traffic lane then you can't...
While I think that cop was being a bit overzealous, if the law states you can't ride your bike in the traffic lane then you can't ride your bike in the traffic lane. That said, we have all these bike lanes going up around our city and it seems to give cyclists the idea that they now have carte blanch when it comes to traffic rules. They ride side by side, they blow stop signs and traffic lights, they ride on the wrong side of the road. The list goes on. They complain in the media about how car drivers are not respecting the lanes, yet they seem to think the rules don't apply to them. I'd love to see more tickets handed out but I\m also glad our cops are concentrating on more important issues.
Good post.

I constantly shake my head at cyclists for those very reasons.
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10/18/2013 7:42pm
Regardless of whether the bicycle was doing anything wrong that particular cop was an erect penis. Smile And why was he riding backwards down the street so fast (video says "rear").
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10/18/2013 9:56pm Edited Date/Time 10/18/2013 10:08pm
Heh heh, holy shit check this one out ! Smile

https://youtu.be/bzE-IMaegzQ
That's some funny shit!!!!!!Laughing Laughing Laughing I'm a cyclist.... if there is a bike lane.... ,I'm in it! That said, I totally understand why the rider was over if there was shit on the path. Small rocks can give you flats, 95% of the time when you see a cyclist over that is the reason. Notice I said cyclist.... can't speak for the smoozer's out for a stroll on his mountain bike with his kid and no helmets! A decent cop would have handled that better, by giving the guy a verbal and let him be on his way! That cop is an asshole! Voids video is spot on.... in Seattle it's just like that.... some.fuckers got no respect for bike lanes...... people park in them...... construction blocks them with their signs.....venders put trash cans in them! It works both ways.....!Woohoo All that and .....notice what the video said at the end......yes folks..... it's not illegal to ride out of the bike lane or on the road! Thanks for the vid Vodski....myself and my family had a good laugh watching that!
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10/19/2013 12:45pm
Ha! Great vid void.
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10/19/2013 4:34pm
I agree with the cop! Most bikers are feel they own the streets!
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10/21/2013 9:45am
Bicyclists have been such pricks towards everyone about "sharing the lane", not following the laws and doing things such as hokding up traffic on purpose, giving no thought to people trying to get to work and then crying to the news about how unfair they've been treated that I find it hard to feel bad for them.

If the law says you can't ride your bike in the traffic lane and get ticketed, you can't put the blame on the cop.
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10/21/2013 10:01am
Choppy wrote:
Bicyclists have been such pricks towards everyone about "sharing the lane", not following the laws and doing things such as hokding up traffic on purpose, giving...
Bicyclists have been such pricks towards everyone about "sharing the lane", not following the laws and doing things such as hokding up traffic on purpose, giving no thought to people trying to get to work and then crying to the news about how unfair they've been treated that I find it hard to feel bad for them.

If the law says you can't ride your bike in the traffic lane and get ticketed, you can't put the blame on the cop.
I agree.

I'm growing to despise cyclists. Their sense of entitlement when it comes to the road is ridiculous.

My family and I took a drive yesterday over alpine loop (Hightway 92 through American Fork canyon over to Sundance and then Provo Canyon)...NARROW road over a steep mountain pass (in the Uintah National Forrest), with TONS of cyclists on it. In some places the canyon isn't even wide enough for two cars to pass.

Anyway you'd get groups of cyclists riding two, three or four wide at like 1mph peddling up this steep canyon...holding up traffic...I honked my horn when I was behind these two guys riding side by side in the middle of the road...and they yell back "share the road" and gave me the bird.

Screw Cyclists man...I wish they weren't allowed to ride on roads that don't have a bike lane...and then I wish they were ticketed every time they tried to ride on the white line.

The loop starts at abut 5 minute mark of this video:

https://youtu.be/w2C7V_d_Btg
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10/21/2013 12:02pm
Most US cities should take after the Financial district in Paris. Ban all cars. Build parking lots outside the city limits and make people bike or walk once inside city limits. Cars just fuck up the city.
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10/21/2013 12:18pm
musmanni wrote:
Most US cities should take after the Financial district in Paris. Ban all cars. Build parking lots outside the city limits and make people bike or...
Most US cities should take after the Financial district in Paris. Ban all cars. Build parking lots outside the city limits and make people bike or walk once inside city limits. Cars just fuck up the city.
That would be stupid.
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10/24/2013 5:23pm
musmanni wrote:
Most US cities should take after the Financial district in Paris. Ban all cars. Build parking lots outside the city limits and make people bike or...
Most US cities should take after the Financial district in Paris. Ban all cars. Build parking lots outside the city limits and make people bike or walk once inside city limits. Cars just fuck up the city.
Don't know about that one! People just need to practice some give and take! Some of youy guys act like you've never done anything wrong while driving! Fact is you don't own the road and neither do cyclists.
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10/26/2013 5:05pm
It cuts both ways. I ride a bike and I also drive a car. When on a bike, I can not believe how stupid most car drivers are. Many try to "buzz" bikes or do a flyby as close as they can to scare the shit out of you. Some will even lay on the horn, again just trying to be obnoxious and scare the shit out of bike riders. Ask any avid bike rider and either they or someone they know has had shit thrown at them out of cars. I've had cars drift over on me and miss me by inches when I was well into the bike lane or on the right side of the white line and it was obvious they were texting or just not paying attention. We had a biker killed by a girl here in town like that. 70+ years old. 20 years retired Army and 30+ years as an Army civilian and taken out by a dumbass texting.

Some idiot car drivers love to fuck around with cyclists. They think it's a game when they are risking potentially killing another human.

Some of you in this thread are speaking as if you are quoting laws. I.E. bikes must stay to the right of the white line. Keep in mind, laws vary from state to state and jurisdiction to jurisdiction so it's kind of pointless to speak in absolutes here without knowing what place we are talking about.

I will say this, here in AZ the white line has no relevance whatsoever to bikes. There is no law saying bikes must be to the right of the line. The fact that many car drivers believe there is such a law is the source of much of the heartache. I wish people would actually know what the laws say before they go off half-cocked trying to tell people how to do shit. All the law says in AZ is that bikes "must ride as far to the right as is practicable" and that they "may move to the left to avoid rocks, glass, drainage grates, road debris, etc." A bike is allowed to use the entire lane if need be and may ride 2 abreast. A bike is not required to move out of the way for cars behind them until at least 5 are backed up! Again, talking about AZ.

Also, in AZ, there is no requirement for a bike to use bike lanes. They are a convenience but usage is not mandatory.

Now, all that being the "letter of the law", there is also common sense. If there is a bike lane or a decent shoulder, yes, I use it. I try to always place myself in the safest position possible and avoid conflict. I avoid streets and highways that have heavy traffic or just aren't conducive to bike riding, even though I have every right to be there. I ride street bike also and I'm sure some of you have heard the saying when it comes to right of way: You may be right, DEAD RIGHT!

Here's another one I love. When cars come up on bikes they just think they have to absolutely get around, no matter what. I'll be on roads that are speed limit 25 and I'm doing that or more but yet these fuckers gun it and take stupid risks trying to get around. Be damned they ain't gonna follow a bike!

And I also hate the cyclists who try to force the issue on the letter of the law by being obnoxious and not using the shoulder or bike lane when there is one. Yeah, I know it's their right, but again, common sense has a place too. I've actually stopped riding with many of these guys and mostly ride by myself because of these types.
10/27/2013 8:45am
While I would like to be sympathetic to your cause,
I live just outside of town where the bicyclists like to ride. sometimes they come by in packs of 20-40 riders at a time. typically the route they like is going the up hill direction on my road. they go very slow and do not move over for the cars. the road is windy so the cars can't just go around as it's unsafe, the speed limit is 45 mph and you can't see far enough ahead. the cars may have to go 2-5 miles per hour for half a mile before the cyclists let them by. They have no regard for the people driving cars and thus create a situation that the car drivers "hate" them. I believe that the car drivers pay for the road and the(lack of) maintenance in every gallon of gas we buy and expensive registration fees. Bicycles pay nothing for their recreational use of the road. Yes, some people use the road for transportation but the vast majority are recreational riders in my area. They created this hatred them self, and now whine about it. I smile every time I see a bicycle rider stopped by a cop (which is very rare). having said all that, I should say that I also use (did use) the road for riding a bicycle, I used to ride to work (saved gas money). I have had things thrown at me (fruit) from cars, vehicles intentionally pass me very close, and other obnoxious things. In general I get mad at them and then ultimately go back to blaming the idiots that ride bicycles with such disregard of drivers that created the bad blood.
And by the way, if a bicycle rider thinks they are saving the planet riding a bike. If they cause 50 cars to be held up 1 extra minute on their commute they just caused more pollution then had they drove a car themself.
In closing, stay out of the driving lane and your odds of experiencing bad things go way down. the cops and other drivers will most likely focus their bad attitude on the ones creating the problem. IE: the nail that stands out gets hammered.
Cops have a very difficult job, yes some are ass holes, but we all have shitty days. that doesn't mean we are all shitty people.
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Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? You're basically saying some bike riders are assholes so I am just going to hate all of them.

There are assholes in cars too. There's always some shithead going 10 mph under the speed limit clogging up the road. Do you then generalize and say all car drivers are assholes? I once had an asshole in a Chevy truck cut me off. Should I now start chucking shit at Chevy trucks and say "well, they brought it upon themselves!!!"

Not every asshole on a bike on the road is my buddy. We are not all members of the same club or some shit. Bikes are just a mode of transportation, not a brotherhood. Why should I be lumped in and harassed because of some shit some other idiot on a bike did?

People at work talk just like that, complaining about bikes and even bragging about how they like to fuck with them. Calling all cyclists spandex wearing faggots, as if they can ascertain a person's sexuality by the vehicle they operate or the clothes they wear. I always kindly remind them that I ride a bike and the next time they fuck with a cyclist on the road or end up killing one it just might be me, not some random spandex wearing faggot that deserves to die.
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10/27/2013 3:40pm
I find that natural selection catches up with dumb cyclists. This happened in London, which also happens to be the asshole of Europe.

Example number 1:

https://youtu.be/mypFV_tQSrc
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10/27/2013 4:11pm
I've logged thousands of hours road cycling in groups, alone and in races. I've seen some of the craziest, ugliest, and most beautiful things while pedaling a bike. It pisses me off when I see cyclists being rude or ignoring common courtesies because it may be me riding alone that the driver later pelts with a can of beer. I accept that there are ignorant people who hate anyone on 2-wheels. Their hate is never limited to cyclists nor do they consider ever changing.

The most dangerous drivers are those that are distracted by texting or other activities on their smartphones, GPS, etc.,. This is why I don't let my sons road cycle with me but do safer sports together like MX and off-road rides.
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10/27/2013 4:14pm
Choppy wrote:
Bicyclists have been such pricks towards everyone about "sharing the lane", not following the laws and doing things such as hokding up traffic on purpose, giving...
Bicyclists have been such pricks towards everyone about "sharing the lane", not following the laws and doing things such as hokding up traffic on purpose, giving no thought to people trying to get to work and then crying to the news about how unfair they've been treated that I find it hard to feel bad for them.

If the law says you can't ride your bike in the traffic lane and get ticketed, you can't put the blame on the cop.
Titan1 wrote:
I agree. I'm growing to despise cyclists. Their sense of entitlement when it comes to the road is ridiculous. My family and I took a drive...
I agree.

I'm growing to despise cyclists. Their sense of entitlement when it comes to the road is ridiculous.

My family and I took a drive yesterday over alpine loop (Hightway 92 through American Fork canyon over to Sundance and then Provo Canyon)...NARROW road over a steep mountain pass (in the Uintah National Forrest), with TONS of cyclists on it. In some places the canyon isn't even wide enough for two cars to pass.

Anyway you'd get groups of cyclists riding two, three or four wide at like 1mph peddling up this steep canyon...holding up traffic...I honked my horn when I was behind these two guys riding side by side in the middle of the road...and they yell back "share the road" and gave me the bird.

Screw Cyclists man...I wish they weren't allowed to ride on roads that don't have a bike lane...and then I wish they were ticketed every time they tried to ride on the white line.

The loop starts at abut 5 minute mark of this video:

https://youtu.be/w2C7V_d_Btg
If I'm in the bike lane, I'm legal. Next to the white line, or 3 inches from the shoulder. It's MY discretion as to where I believe the safest place to ride in that lane is. You keep your fucking vehicle away from me.....and if you come back and fuck with me, I'll put a clip of .380 in your ass.

When there's no bike lane, the law in AZ says as far to the right as safe. That's the riders judgement....and frankly, when you're driving in your vehicle at 35+ mph, you aren't able to see all the obstacles/crap on the road that the rider is avoiding when he chooses his line.

In Arizona, the law states you must give a cyclist 3 feet. No matter where they're riding. I'd be happier if it was 5 feet.

I ride in large packs and yes, sometimes they take a lane. From a practical standpoint, it's far easier and safer for vehicles to wait for a place to use the oncoming lane to pass a pack of 75 riders, rather than try to "sneak" by a quarter mile long "two-up" line of bikes. However, the law in this state says it's no more than two abreast. Personally, I ride in the gutter, or next to someone in the gutter, which means I'm never breaking the "two up" law.

You guys have no problem talking crap about "ass hole cyclists". Legally, we have just as much right to use the road as you do. I'm guessing you talk the same shit about other cars and motorcyclists that aren't driving as fast as you'd like....right?
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10/27/2013 4:21pm
ToolMaker wrote:
While I would like to be sympathetic to your cause, I live just outside of town where the bicyclists like to ride. sometimes they come by...
While I would like to be sympathetic to your cause,
I live just outside of town where the bicyclists like to ride. sometimes they come by in packs of 20-40 riders at a time. typically the route they like is going the up hill direction on my road. they go very slow and do not move over for the cars. the road is windy so the cars can't just go around as it's unsafe, the speed limit is 45 mph and you can't see far enough ahead. the cars may have to go 2-5 miles per hour for half a mile before the cyclists let them by. They have no regard for the people driving cars and thus create a situation that the car drivers "hate" them. I believe that the car drivers pay for the road and the(lack of) maintenance in every gallon of gas we buy and expensive registration fees. Bicycles pay nothing for their recreational use of the road. Yes, some people use the road for transportation but the vast majority are recreational riders in my area. They created this hatred them self, and now whine about it. I smile every time I see a bicycle rider stopped by a cop (which is very rare). having said all that, I should say that I also use (did use) the road for riding a bicycle, I used to ride to work (saved gas money). I have had things thrown at me (fruit) from cars, vehicles intentionally pass me very close, and other obnoxious things. In general I get mad at them and then ultimately go back to blaming the idiots that ride bicycles with such disregard of drivers that created the bad blood.
And by the way, if a bicycle rider thinks they are saving the planet riding a bike. If they cause 50 cars to be held up 1 extra minute on their commute they just caused more pollution then had they drove a car themself.
In closing, stay out of the driving lane and your odds of experiencing bad things go way down. the cops and other drivers will most likely focus their bad attitude on the ones creating the problem. IE: the nail that stands out gets hammered.
Cops have a very difficult job, yes some are ass holes, but we all have shitty days. that doesn't mean we are all shitty people.
" I believe that the car drivers pay for the road and the(lack of) maintenance in every gallon of gas we buy and expensive registration fees. Bicycles pay nothing for their recreational use of the road. Yes, some people use the road for transportation but the vast majority are recreational riders in my area. "

You want to post up how much taxes you paid last year???? Let's all do that and then we'll see who has the "right" to use the public roads. Goddamm how I'd like to have our country defines "rights" by who actually pays for them!!!
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10/27/2013 4:40pm
Barrett57 wrote:
I find that natural selection catches up with dumb cyclists. This happened in London, which also happens to be the asshole of Europe. Example number 1...
I find that natural selection catches up with dumb cyclists. This happened in London, which also happens to be the asshole of Europe.

Example number 1:

https://youtu.be/mypFV_tQSrc
Heh heh, oops. Smile
10/27/2013 4:46pm
drmarkr wrote:
" I believe that the car drivers pay for the road and the(lack of) maintenance in every gallon of gas we buy and expensive registration fees...
" I believe that the car drivers pay for the road and the(lack of) maintenance in every gallon of gas we buy and expensive registration fees. Bicycles pay nothing for their recreational use of the road. Yes, some people use the road for transportation but the vast majority are recreational riders in my area. "

You want to post up how much taxes you paid last year???? Let's all do that and then we'll see who has the "right" to use the public roads. Goddamm how I'd like to have our country defines "rights" by who actually pays for them!!!
That's just a stupid deviation of what I said. has nothing to do with what I paid in taxes last year. It has to do with how they fund and maintain the roads. I think about $.46 of every gallon of gas is taxes here in my state. I'm sure that's not accurate as I have not read the numbers in the last few years but it's crazy how much they tax gas. Then they raid the maintenance fund and don't fix the roads. By the way I don't see them taxing bicycles or complaining about the lost revenue from higher mileage bicycles.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-roads-black-boxes-20131027,0,609022…
so yes every time I buy a gallon of gas I am helping pay for the road way. What does the bicycle contribute?
10/27/2013 4:56pm
In terms that you might understand, I also pay a red/green sticker fee in ca that is supposed to buy and maintain land for off highway vehicle parks. (btw the state stole 50mil from that fund) Yes people can go camp there and just enjoy the great outdoors. but how do you feel about those people that after our funds buy land then come in and tell us we cant ride anymore after our sticker fees paid for the park? really doesn't matter that I paid any other taxes, I paid my sticker fees. and collectively helped purchase the OHV park. So, while I'm OK with sharing, you can't convince me that the cars are not paying for the road.
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10/27/2013 8:57pm
I didn't bring up taxes and the implication that paying them gives you the right to use the road....you did. If you want to make that quid pro quo, then hell yes, who pays what matters. And it isn't just fuel taxes, since the two are not directly proportional, as you note. Bottom line is the bicyclist has just as much "right" to be on that road as a car does, as long as he's following the law.

All of you guys bagging on cyclists in this thread completely miss the irony of the tree huggers and equestrian's screaming about us riding dirt bikes on "their" precious trails, and ya'll doing essentially the same thing with bicyclists and the streets.
10/27/2013 10:54pm
drmarkr wrote:
I didn't bring up taxes and the implication that paying them gives you the right to use the road....you did. If you want to make that...
I didn't bring up taxes and the implication that paying them gives you the right to use the road....you did. If you want to make that quid pro quo, then hell yes, who pays what matters. And it isn't just fuel taxes, since the two are not directly proportional, as you note. Bottom line is the bicyclist has just as much "right" to be on that road as a car does, as long as he's following the law.

All of you guys bagging on cyclists in this thread completely miss the irony of the tree huggers and equestrian's screaming about us riding dirt bikes on "their" precious trails, and ya'll doing essentially the same thing with bicyclists and the streets.
Actually, nobody has a right to use the road, it's a privilege, without a drivers license I cannot go drive a car on the road. And for that privilege, I, as a car driver have to pay to help maintain the roads whenever I buy fuel for the vehicle. In return for that that government is supposed to build and maintain a road system for a safe efficient transportation. But now we have bicycle riders that interfere with the flow of traffic and then complain when the drivers retaliate. It's unfortunate that many of the cyclists that bear the brunt of the retaliation probably are not the offenders. So, I'll ask again, what does the cyclist contribute for the privilege to ride and impede my drive? And why does he think he/she is so important that they cant move over and let me by. and don't try to say you haven't seen it many times because you know it's true. You know people don't just wake up one day and say I think cyclists are jerks, it happens over time by observation of shitty riders. there is no reason that cyclists and drivers can't coexist on the road. but why do cyclists think they are so important they can't move over and let the cars by?

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