Next years GP at Glen Helen.

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This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on next years race, we Americans should keep our mouths shut about how our riders are the fastest in the world.


I hope MX Sports and YS work together next year to give us all the chance to see the race of a lifetime.
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jmar wrote:
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on...
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on next years race, we Americans should keep our mouths shut about how our riders are the fastest in the world.


I hope MX Sports and YS work together next year to give us all the chance to see the race of a lifetime.
You mean like the Motocross Des Nations in Colorado this year ?
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We are the fastest in the world, look at all the mx des nations results.
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jmar wrote:
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on...
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on next years race, we Americans should keep our mouths shut about how our riders are the fastest in the world.


I hope MX Sports and YS work together next year to give us all the chance to see the race of a lifetime.
What's there to prove that hasn't already been proven?

Maybe if they offer an actual purse it would entice some riders to show up? Contingency? SOMETHING? No reason to do it as it is. What's the upside? Yeah, I won the US GP?
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Trent179 wrote:
We are the fastest in the world, look at all the mx des nations results.
I think that is bogus
MX isn't a team sport....this isn't hokey (that is how you spell it, right?), or baseball or football (whichever version)

It's an individual sport, and the flaw in the MXdN is that a team can win by being consistent, not fastest.

I think on a one on one basis, most US riders are fastest. I have always said, take the top 10 here and top 10 there, you'd have a hell of a race where anything can happen

But MXdN is not a true measure

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Trent179 wrote:
We are the fastest in the world, look at all the mx des nations results.
Who is the National mx champion?Who was a blown engine away from the lights mx championship?Who has been dominating the east lites sx serieis?Where are these guys from???When was the last time we were either 1st or 2nd in every moto at mx des nations??
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its hard to explain the diference between a championship race and mxdn to people that doesn't want to understand........
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jmar wrote:
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on...
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on next years race, we Americans should keep our mouths shut about how our riders are the fastest in the world.


I hope MX Sports and YS work together next year to give us all the chance to see the race of a lifetime.
500guy wrote:
You mean like the Motocross Des Nations in Colorado this year ?
Bingo.

I really hope the GP is good. Even if it's just the to 20 from the GP regulars, it should be cool to watch.
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rileymx wrote:
its hard to explain the diference between a championship race and mxdn to people that doesn't want to understand........
And it's hard for you to understand.. There isn't a big reason to do the event as an AMA rider. No purse, no reason to do it.


I challenge Luongo to put up a purse that at the minimum, matches the MX Nationals(better would be US OPEN money!), then see who shows up.

Just enjoy the GP riders that are here, it should be great racing. If a few AMA riders show up, good deal, if not, oh well.
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jmar wrote:
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on...
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on next years race, we Americans should keep our mouths shut about how our riders are the fastest in the world.


I hope MX Sports and YS work together next year to give us all the chance to see the race of a lifetime.
jbomx363 wrote:
What's there to prove that hasn't already been proven? Maybe if they offer an actual purse it would entice some riders to show up? Contingency? SOMETHING...
What's there to prove that hasn't already been proven?

Maybe if they offer an actual purse it would entice some riders to show up? Contingency? SOMETHING? No reason to do it as it is. What's the upside? Yeah, I won the US GP?
Purse money?

Give me a break.
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jmar wrote:
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on...
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on next years race, we Americans should keep our mouths shut about how our riders are the fastest in the world.


I hope MX Sports and YS work together next year to give us all the chance to see the race of a lifetime.
500guy wrote:
You mean like the Motocross Des Nations in Colorado this year ?
GuyB wrote:
Bingo.

I really hope the GP is good. Even if it's just the to 20 from the GP regulars, it should be cool to watch.
The Des Nations are a different ball game.

If it's so easy to prove then why would we sit the race out.

At this time, I really do think that we have the top two to three riders in the world. After that it's just good racing and I don't think we should be afraid of that.

Isn't that what racing is all about?
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our top 20 vs. their top 20 would be amazing!
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jmar wrote:
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on...
This year was a surprise to all the teams, and if they pass on this race it is very understandable. If they decide to pass on next years race, we Americans should keep our mouths shut about how our riders are the fastest in the world.


I hope MX Sports and YS work together next year to give us all the chance to see the race of a lifetime.
jbomx363 wrote:
What's there to prove that hasn't already been proven? Maybe if they offer an actual purse it would entice some riders to show up? Contingency? SOMETHING...
What's there to prove that hasn't already been proven?

Maybe if they offer an actual purse it would entice some riders to show up? Contingency? SOMETHING? No reason to do it as it is. What's the upside? Yeah, I won the US GP?
jmar wrote:
Purse money?

Give me a break.
Well that explains your stance.


How about explaining your comment.


As it is, there is no incentive to race.
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jbomx363 wrote:
What's there to prove that hasn't already been proven? Maybe if they offer an actual purse it would entice some riders to show up? Contingency? SOMETHING...
What's there to prove that hasn't already been proven?

Maybe if they offer an actual purse it would entice some riders to show up? Contingency? SOMETHING? No reason to do it as it is. What's the upside? Yeah, I won the US GP?
jmar wrote:
Purse money?

Give me a break.
jbomx363 wrote:
Well that explains your stance.


How about explaining your comment.


As it is, there is no incentive to race.
Do you even know what the purse is for an outdoor national?

Trust me on this one. Not a single rider is traveling all over the country racing this AMA outdoors series for the "Purse Money".
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bobby397 wrote:
our top 20 vs. their top 20 would be amazing!
Yes it would.
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jmar wrote:
Purse money?

Give me a break.
jbomx363 wrote:
Well that explains your stance.


How about explaining your comment.


As it is, there is no incentive to race.
jmar wrote:
Do you even know what the purse is for an outdoor national? Trust me on this one. Not a single rider is traveling all over the...
Do you even know what the purse is for an outdoor national?

Trust me on this one. Not a single rider is traveling all over the country racing this AMA outdoors series for the "Purse Money".
Yes. It's $66k or more now.


You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money.


Are you sure you know what you're talking about?


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all you have to do is watch poorcel race and the "americans are the fastest" goes out the door.

out of the top 10 in the world i would put dungey, stewart, RV, weimer, and possibly windham. the rest is up for grabs...and i am talkiing mx only imho
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all you have to do is watch poorcel race and the "americans are the fastest" goes out the door. out of the top 10 in the...
all you have to do is watch poorcel race and the "americans are the fastest" goes out the door.

out of the top 10 in the world i would put dungey, stewart, RV, weimer, and possibly windham. the rest is up for grabs...and i am talkiing mx only imho
Canard will beat Weimer outdoors and your boy can't beat Windham?
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Who is the National mx champion?Who was a blown engine away from the lights mx championship?Who has been dominating the east lites sx serieis?Where are these...
Who is the National mx champion?Who was a blown engine away from the lights mx championship?Who has been dominating the east lites sx serieis?Where are these guys from???When was the last time we were either 1st or 2nd in every moto at mx des nations??
"When was the last time we were either 1st or 2nd in every moto at mx des nations??"

How about moto 1: First, moto 2: First, moto 3: First and Second?

Budd's Creek 2007.

Alzheimer's?
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It's not the Americans against the euro's.

It's the AMA riders against the GP riders. Heck, the current MX National champ isn't American.
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jbomx363 wrote:
It's not the Americans against the euro's.

It's the AMA riders against the GP riders. Heck, the current MX National champ isn't American.
good point, i'd pull for pourcel to beat marvin any day. untill 2011 that isWink
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Canard will beat Weimer outdoors and your boy can't beat Windham?
good point...just goin by outdoor final results, i was. Smile
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jbomx363 wrote:
Well that explains your stance.


How about explaining your comment.


As it is, there is no incentive to race.
jmar wrote:
Do you even know what the purse is for an outdoor national? Trust me on this one. Not a single rider is traveling all over the...
Do you even know what the purse is for an outdoor national?

Trust me on this one. Not a single rider is traveling all over the country racing this AMA outdoors series for the "Purse Money".
jbomx363 wrote:
Yes. It's $66k or more now. You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money. Are you sure you know what...
Yes. It's $66k or more now.


You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money.


Are you sure you know what you're talking about?


You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money.

Although contingency is getting pretty slim right now it has nothing to do with purse.

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jbomx363 wrote:
Well that explains your stance.


How about explaining your comment.


As it is, there is no incentive to race.
jmar wrote:
Do you even know what the purse is for an outdoor national? Trust me on this one. Not a single rider is traveling all over the...
Do you even know what the purse is for an outdoor national?

Trust me on this one. Not a single rider is traveling all over the country racing this AMA outdoors series for the "Purse Money".
jbomx363 wrote:
Yes. It's $66k or more now. You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money. Are you sure you know what...
Yes. It's $66k or more now.


You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money.


Are you sure you know what you're talking about?


I can tell you this first hand.... If you are racing for purse and coningency money only and traveling to all the nationals you wil bankrupt yourself real fast. Break 66k down between 80 riders per moto... even on the tighest of budgets, your still in the red, DEEP into the red. At least if you get hurt the benefits and workmans comp is good......
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jmar wrote:
Do you even know what the purse is for an outdoor national? Trust me on this one. Not a single rider is traveling all over the...
Do you even know what the purse is for an outdoor national?

Trust me on this one. Not a single rider is traveling all over the country racing this AMA outdoors series for the "Purse Money".
jbomx363 wrote:
Yes. It's $66k or more now. You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money. Are you sure you know what...
Yes. It's $66k or more now.


You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money.


Are you sure you know what you're talking about?


jmar wrote:
[i]You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and [u]contingency money.[/u] [/i] Although contingency is getting pretty slim right now it has nothing...
You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money.

Although contingency is getting pretty slim right now it has nothing to do with purse.

No sheit Einstein. Any purse is better than no purse though.

Contingency slim, maybe, but it's still more than the GP pays.

Win on a Honda, that's an extra $10k.
Win on a Yamaha, that's an extra $15k
WIn on a Kawasaki, that's an extra $10k

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jbomx363 wrote:
Yes. It's $66k or more now. You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money. Are you sure you know what...
Yes. It's $66k or more now.


You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money.


Are you sure you know what you're talking about?


jmar wrote:
[i]You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and [u]contingency money.[/u] [/i] Although contingency is getting pretty slim right now it has nothing...
You're wrong. I know of plenty that are going for purse and contingency money.

Although contingency is getting pretty slim right now it has nothing to do with purse.

jbomx363 wrote:
No sheit Einstein. Any purse is better than no purse though. Contingency slim, maybe, but it's still more than the GP pays. Win on a Honda...
No sheit Einstein. Any purse is better than no purse though.

Contingency slim, maybe, but it's still more than the GP pays.

Win on a Honda, that's an extra $10k.
Win on a Yamaha, that's an extra $15k
WIn on a Kawasaki, that's an extra $10k

do you think that JS7 actually collects his Yamaha contingency? You think RC was collecting his? Those guys get bonuses that far exceed that, however contingencies are paying the privateer, second teir type riders and when you finish where they do it isn't so exciting.... lol

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$100 WAGER

SHOW ME ONE NON-FACTORY RIDER WHO EARNED $10,000.00 IN CONTINGENCY IN ONE SINGLE OUTDOOR NATIONAL LAST YEAR

$100

SHOW ME ONE


(factory/factory support contracted does not count as they are not on the posted plan)
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Some of you just hate the American racers out of jealousy... Very true, but you won't admit it. Your great count chocula champion is googy and top five over here. If christophe porcel went back over there to race, he would dominate, he came here to get faster with better competition.
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jbomx363 wrote:
It's not the Americans against the euro's.

It's the AMA riders against the GP riders. Heck, the current MX National champ isn't American.
bobby397 wrote:
good point, i'd pull for pourcel to beat marvin any day. untill 2011 that isWink
hmmm,I think I'm gonna go with Marvin but heck they are 2 of the smoothest I ever seen.

Let's hope as many do the GP as possible,shame it's a lot to do with money,it'd be great to see AMA and GP come together,the MXoN is not a true match up as in every race,there are big chunk of riders sitting on the sidelines,or not even there,hopefully there will be some pride involved in wanting to do well in the GP,it's been ages since the USA had had one so now it's coming it'd sureley be a missed opportunity by any American/American based rider to sit it out

The old us vs them will always be argued and probably never satisfied until we get a Trans-Am series,say 6 races in the US and 6in Europe,I for one see that as the true mark,maybe one day it'll happen!
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$100 WAGER SHOW ME ONE NON-FACTORY RIDER WHO EARNED $10,000.00 IN CONTINGENCY IN ONE SINGLE OUTDOOR NATIONAL LAST YEAR $100 SHOW ME ONE (factory/factory support contracted...
$100 WAGER

SHOW ME ONE NON-FACTORY RIDER WHO EARNED $10,000.00 IN CONTINGENCY IN ONE SINGLE OUTDOOR NATIONAL LAST YEAR

$100

SHOW ME ONE


(factory/factory support contracted does not count as they are not on the posted plan)
Hey Dave,

I know this is off topic and all but I have to ask. What do ou think a OEM's payout vs. the posted contingency for the Mx outdoor series.


Example, if Suzuki (for example) posted $300,000 (another example) in the payout how much do you think they actually pay for that posted amount to riders who are eligible for it, minus the factory/factory supported guys that get written out of it?

I wonder if there is any way to find that out? I bet the actual figures are pretty low. BUT at least it is something!
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I have no idea, but it's less than the posted amount, especially if you take out contract specified bonuses.

I would like to see the AMA / Feld / MX Sports all start doing like they do in other sporting events and combine all bonuses and contingencies and other monies into the posted purses.

If they did that, which is what they do in other sports, the combined total purse of a SX would "look like" a few hundred thousand dollars, if not close to a million.

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