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mxmat813
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Edited Date/Time 1/24/2012 8:34am
First of all I know you guys are busy, especially with Loretta's right around the corner. I just have some questions that I haven't been able to get answered.

I sent two certified letters questioning rider eligibility. I included the riders name, regional they raced, as well as a copy of the results (from the races they rode A) from the AMA advancement website. The riders in question clearly rode the A class over the past 3-4 years. It's hard to hide results when all you have to do is type there last name in the AMA's Database, or even google for that matter. They raced the regionals in the Vet B/C class and finished in qualifying positions. Supplemental rule 5 states "Riders who have ever been classified as a Pro, Pro Am, or A rider in a non-youth class, are not eligible for any "B/C" designated class". It seems pretty black and white to me. I haven't received a response from mxsports, and the riders are marked as being paid up and registered on the website. So my question is, are these riders being looked into? It seems unfair to the riders who finished behind them that are true "B" riders to have to miss out on there chance to live there dream.

I'm sure it won't be long before someone comes along and posts something like "just work harder and ride more to beat them", or "there shouldn't be a Vet B class, it's a youth championship" but those are just ignorant responses. The guys sandbagging should work harder and go in an open class such as +25 or 35+. And it's not a "youth championship", look at there website. It's an Amateur Championship, and one that I worked hard to be at. I'm gonna be disappointed if I don't make it because somebody who couldn't cut it in the A or open classes got the spot that belonged to a real B rider. Sorry for the rant....

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7/2/2010 11:42am
I think the point you are missing is the rule saying after not competing as a pro for a certain amount of time, you are then eligible to race Loretta's in a Sportsman's class.
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7/2/2010 11:45am
500guy wrote:
I think the point you are missing is the rule saying after not competing as a pro for a certain amount of time, you are then...
I think the point you are missing is the rule saying after not competing as a pro for a certain amount of time, you are then eligible to race Loretta's in a Sportsman's class.
That's an AMA rule. The rule I quoted is a supplemental rule written by mxsports for Loretta's.
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500guy wrote:
I think the point you are missing is the rule saying after not competing as a pro for a certain amount of time, you are then...
I think the point you are missing is the rule saying after not competing as a pro for a certain amount of time, you are then eligible to race Loretta's in a Sportsman's class.
mxmat813 wrote:
That's an AMA rule. The rule I quoted is a supplemental rule written by mxsports for Loretta's.
is there even a C class for Vets ?

So if there is an A class for Vets then I say that's where they should race.

This was the source of some major debate with the preacher man that dropped down to sandbag.
7/2/2010 11:56am
500guy wrote:
I think the point you are missing is the rule saying after not competing as a pro for a certain amount of time, you are then...
I think the point you are missing is the rule saying after not competing as a pro for a certain amount of time, you are then eligible to race Loretta's in a Sportsman's class.
mxmat813 wrote:
That's an AMA rule. The rule I quoted is a supplemental rule written by mxsports for Loretta's.
500guy wrote:
is there even a C class for Vets ? So if there is an A class for Vets then I say that's where they should race...
is there even a C class for Vets ?

So if there is an A class for Vets then I say that's where they should race.

This was the source of some major debate with the preacher man that dropped down to sandbag.
GMan is a preacher?

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7/2/2010 11:57am
VET 30 B/C was the biggest mistake MX Sports has done in recent years. VET Classes should be just aged based and that is it. Maybe they will dump that class next year, or just switch it back to VET 30+

The reason why it is a mistake is becuase they don't enforce the rules for that class.

You know you really should be just glad that you are getting to go there and race.

Damn MX Racers always bitchen about something.
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7/2/2010 11:58am
mxmat813 wrote:
First of all I know you guys are busy, especially with Loretta's right around the corner. I just have some questions that I haven't been able...
First of all I know you guys are busy, especially with Loretta's right around the corner. I just have some questions that I haven't been able to get answered.

I sent two certified letters questioning rider eligibility. I included the riders name, regional they raced, as well as a copy of the results (from the races they rode A) from the AMA advancement website. The riders in question clearly rode the A class over the past 3-4 years. It's hard to hide results when all you have to do is type there last name in the AMA's Database, or even google for that matter. They raced the regionals in the Vet B/C class and finished in qualifying positions. Supplemental rule 5 states "Riders who have ever been classified as a Pro, Pro Am, or A rider in a non-youth class, are not eligible for any "B/C" designated class". It seems pretty black and white to me. I haven't received a response from mxsports, and the riders are marked as being paid up and registered on the website. So my question is, are these riders being looked into? It seems unfair to the riders who finished behind them that are true "B" riders to have to miss out on there chance to live there dream.

I'm sure it won't be long before someone comes along and posts something like "just work harder and ride more to beat them", or "there shouldn't be a Vet B class, it's a youth championship" but those are just ignorant responses. The guys sandbagging should work harder and go in an open class such as +25 or 35+. And it's not a "youth championship", look at there website. It's an Amateur Championship, and one that I worked hard to be at. I'm gonna be disappointed if I don't make it because somebody who couldn't cut it in the A or open classes got the spot that belonged to a real B rider. Sorry for the rant....

BooHoo
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7/2/2010 12:10pm
mxmat813 wrote:
First of all I know you guys are busy, especially with Loretta's right around the corner. I just have some questions that I haven't been able...
First of all I know you guys are busy, especially with Loretta's right around the corner. I just have some questions that I haven't been able to get answered.

I sent two certified letters questioning rider eligibility. I included the riders name, regional they raced, as well as a copy of the results (from the races they rode A) from the AMA advancement website. The riders in question clearly rode the A class over the past 3-4 years. It's hard to hide results when all you have to do is type there last name in the AMA's Database, or even google for that matter. They raced the regionals in the Vet B/C class and finished in qualifying positions. Supplemental rule 5 states "Riders who have ever been classified as a Pro, Pro Am, or A rider in a non-youth class, are not eligible for any "B/C" designated class". It seems pretty black and white to me. I haven't received a response from mxsports, and the riders are marked as being paid up and registered on the website. So my question is, are these riders being looked into? It seems unfair to the riders who finished behind them that are true "B" riders to have to miss out on there chance to live there dream.

I'm sure it won't be long before someone comes along and posts something like "just work harder and ride more to beat them", or "there shouldn't be a Vet B class, it's a youth championship" but those are just ignorant responses. The guys sandbagging should work harder and go in an open class such as +25 or 35+. And it's not a "youth championship", look at there website. It's an Amateur Championship, and one that I worked hard to be at. I'm gonna be disappointed if I don't make it because somebody who couldn't cut it in the A or open classes got the spot that belonged to a real B rider. Sorry for the rant....

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BooHoo
Wow, thanks for the contribution. One step closer to that 1000 mark your signature refers to.
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7/2/2010 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 7/2/2010 12:28pm
Here is one more, Whaaaaa!
lostboy819
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lostboy819 wrote:
Here is one more, Whaaaaa!
you're gay.
Dont tell me your are writing a letter to MX sports about all the guys faster than you too.
7/2/2010 12:38pm
Just ride harder and MOAR to beat them.

And why is there even a Vet B class, it's a youth championship..



Jus' sayin'....
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7/2/2010 12:46pm
MXMat813, email me the info and names directly: DC@MXSports.com and I will walk it through and figure out what's going on.

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7/2/2010 12:59pm Edited Date/Time 7/2/2010 1:00pm
Why dont you wait untill after the race and then he can email you all the riders who beat him and then go down the list to see how many riders he can get DQed. Maybe MXmat813 can then get a trophy.I hate it when riders have to do their racing off the track.
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7/2/2010 1:01pm
So Emig, Larocco, MC should race 40 Vet No classification when they turn 40, and race against someone thats 40 that never was close to A/Pro/ etc?

I see the point, but I think this came about when pro riders grew up.
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7/2/2010 1:03pm
didnt Emig win the vet class one year
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Blake wrote:
So Emig, Larocco, MC should race 40 Vet No classification when they turn 40, and race against someone thats 40 that never was close to A/Pro/...
So Emig, Larocco, MC should race 40 Vet No classification when they turn 40, and race against someone thats 40 that never was close to A/Pro/ etc?

I see the point, but I think this came about when pro riders grew up.
We are not talking about riders like MC or Emig they are talking about guys who may have raced A a little bit back in Podank Mississippi and didnt win there either.I say 30+ and 40+ at LL .
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Motodork wrote:
didnt Emig win the vet class one year
LOL good point, Trampas Parker and a lot of fast guys go to LLs
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7/2/2010 1:37pm Edited Date/Time 7/2/2010 1:39pm
Emig won the open vet class. I'm talking about the vet b/c class. So lostboy, it would be okay for Mcgrath to race the 450B class at Lorettas if he wanted? You either don't race so you have no comprehension of class structure, or you're bitter because you would have no chance of making it out of an area qualifier in any of the classes they offer.
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DC wrote:
MXMat813, email me the info and names directly: DC@MXSports.com and I will walk it through and figure out what's going on.

DC
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Thank you sir.
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mxmat813 wrote:
Emig won the open vet class. I'm talking about the vet b/c class. So lostboy, it would be okay for Mcgrath to race the 450B class...
Emig won the open vet class. I'm talking about the vet b/c class. So lostboy, it would be okay for Mcgrath to race the 450B class at Lorettas if he wanted? You either don't race so you have no comprehension of class structure, or you're bitter because you would have no chance of making it out of an area qualifier in any of the classes they offer.
We are not talking about McGrath are we? How about you say the names of the riders you want kicked out of the class and I bet you wont see a Emig, McGrath or anyone even close to that level of rider. Come on mxmat813 if you want to post on virtal for everyone to see least have the balls to say who you want DQed.
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lostboy819 wrote:
Why dont you wait untill after the race and then he can email you all the riders who beat him and then go down the list...
Why dont you wait untill after the race and then he can email you all the riders who beat him and then go down the list to see how many riders he can get DQed. Maybe MXmat813 can then get a trophy.I hate it when riders have to do their racing off the track.
LostBoy...considering how lost you are, you couldn't have a more fitting screen name.

Then again, something like DouchBoy819 would fit your style well also.

What an azz.
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lostboy819 wrote:
Why dont you wait untill after the race and then he can email you all the riders who beat him and then go down the list...
Why dont you wait untill after the race and then he can email you all the riders who beat him and then go down the list to see how many riders he can get DQed. Maybe MXmat813 can then get a trophy.I hate it when riders have to do their racing off the track.
mooch wrote:
LostBoy...considering how lost you are, you couldn't have a more fitting screen name. Then again, something like DouchBoy819 would fit your style well also. What an...
LostBoy...considering how lost you are, you couldn't have a more fitting screen name.

Then again, something like DouchBoy819 would fit your style well also.

What an azz.
Oh no ,did you not win any novice class races either because some bad guy dropped down and stole your trophy.What kills me about you whiny ass nancy boys is that your not even close to the front of the pack even when these so called McGraths drop down to steal your thunder. Here is a direct quote from mxmat813............ 'It seems unfair to the riders who finished behind them that are true "B" riders to have to miss out on there chance to live there dream.

Miss out on their dream!!!! are you kidding me, he is talking about himself , he is going through all the riders in his class and instead of racing them he wants them thrown out.I cant believe he posted it on Vital, most of the other weasels that go this route at least try to do it so no one finds out. Better watch out mooch cause if you end up in his class and beat him then he would want you DQed also, or better yet maybe the both of you can team up and get the rest of the class booted. Birds of a feather.
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7/2/2010 2:15pm
lostboy819 wrote:
Why dont you wait untill after the race and then he can email you all the riders who beat him and then go down the list...
Why dont you wait untill after the race and then he can email you all the riders who beat him and then go down the list to see how many riders he can get DQed. Maybe MXmat813 can then get a trophy.I hate it when riders have to do their racing off the track.
mooch wrote:
LostBoy...considering how lost you are, you couldn't have a more fitting screen name. Then again, something like DouchBoy819 would fit your style well also. What an...
LostBoy...considering how lost you are, you couldn't have a more fitting screen name.

Then again, something like DouchBoy819 would fit your style well also.

What an azz.
I agree,,,I'll bet money he's a sandbagger...
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Motodork wrote:
didnt Emig win the vet class one year
lostboy819 wrote:
LOL good point, Trampas Parker and a lot of fast guys go to LLs
They didn't ride in the B/C class.
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7/2/2010 2:24pm Edited Date/Time 7/2/2010 2:25pm
kawa38 wrote:
I agree,,,I'll bet money he's a sandbagger...
Actually I would be more of a dirty rider than a sandbagger.
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If they don't belong in the class, then they shouldn't be allowed to race. What the hell's wrong with following the rules. If I was trying to qualify for a certain class and got beat out by someone that wasn't eligible, I would be a little upset too. As would most people.
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lostboy819 wrote:
Why dont you wait untill after the race and then he can email you all the riders who beat him and then go down the list...
Why dont you wait untill after the race and then he can email you all the riders who beat him and then go down the list to see how many riders he can get DQed. Maybe MXmat813 can then get a trophy.I hate it when riders have to do their racing off the track.
mooch wrote:
LostBoy...considering how lost you are, you couldn't have a more fitting screen name. Then again, something like DouchBoy819 would fit your style well also. What an...
LostBoy...considering how lost you are, you couldn't have a more fitting screen name.

Then again, something like DouchBoy819 would fit your style well also.

What an azz.
lostboy819 wrote:
Oh no ,did you not win any novice class races either because some bad guy dropped down and stole your trophy.What kills me about you whiny...
Oh no ,did you not win any novice class races either because some bad guy dropped down and stole your trophy.What kills me about you whiny ass nancy boys is that your not even close to the front of the pack even when these so called McGraths drop down to steal your thunder. Here is a direct quote from mxmat813............ 'It seems unfair to the riders who finished behind them that are true "B" riders to have to miss out on there chance to live there dream.

Miss out on their dream!!!! are you kidding me, he is talking about himself , he is going through all the riders in his class and instead of racing them he wants them thrown out.I cant believe he posted it on Vital, most of the other weasels that go this route at least try to do it so no one finds out. Better watch out mooch cause if you end up in his class and beat him then he would want you DQed also, or better yet maybe the both of you can team up and get the rest of the class booted. Birds of a feather.
it's called sandbagging..... you must have been one your entire life? or you are worried that you may get caught at doing the samething matt has complained about. why race, when your are a novice and you have pro riders(wether they are good or not, thay are pro skilled)jump in at a AM national just for a trophy?
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7/2/2010 3:36pm
lostboy819 wrote:
Why dont you wait untill after the race and then he can email you all the riders who beat him and then go down the list...
Why dont you wait untill after the race and then he can email you all the riders who beat him and then go down the list to see how many riders he can get DQed. Maybe MXmat813 can then get a trophy.I hate it when riders have to do their racing off the track.
mooch wrote:
LostBoy...considering how lost you are, you couldn't have a more fitting screen name. Then again, something like DouchBoy819 would fit your style well also. What an...
LostBoy...considering how lost you are, you couldn't have a more fitting screen name.

Then again, something like DouchBoy819 would fit your style well also.

What an azz.
lostboy819 wrote:
Oh no ,did you not win any novice class races either because some bad guy dropped down and stole your trophy.What kills me about you whiny...
Oh no ,did you not win any novice class races either because some bad guy dropped down and stole your trophy.What kills me about you whiny ass nancy boys is that your not even close to the front of the pack even when these so called McGraths drop down to steal your thunder. Here is a direct quote from mxmat813............ 'It seems unfair to the riders who finished behind them that are true "B" riders to have to miss out on there chance to live there dream.

Miss out on their dream!!!! are you kidding me, he is talking about himself , he is going through all the riders in his class and instead of racing them he wants them thrown out.I cant believe he posted it on Vital, most of the other weasels that go this route at least try to do it so no one finds out. Better watch out mooch cause if you end up in his class and beat him then he would want you DQed also, or better yet maybe the both of you can team up and get the rest of the class booted. Birds of a feather.
I hate playing into this, and I don't feel as though I owe you an explanation but I'll try. I definitely don't have time to explain to you class structures and the fundamentals of racing and sportsmanship (those are things your parents should have taught you along with other values).

First of all, I raced the Mid-east regional, where I managed to crash in every moto except my first one. I ended up 8th overall. The first two guys were gone, but 3-10th were all about the same speed. It was one of the most exciting races I've run. Anyway, not one person in the regional was sandbagging, in my opinion. My questioning of a riders eligibility in another regional has no effect on my finishing position, so you can say I'm trying to protest anyone who beat me but it is false and further exhibits your lack of knowledge pertaining to the rules. If you read my first post carefully I stated "I sent two certified letters questioning rider eligibility. I included the riders name, regional they raced......." There is only one rider I was questioning. He won the southeast regional. You can look up the results if you want to know his name that bad. You can also look up his results from last year while you're at it. Let us know what you find.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone. You have your opinion and I have mine, and I'm just going to leave it at that. Have a good fourth everyone, I'm gonna go try to learn how to wakeboard!
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mxmat813 wrote:
Emig won the open vet class. I'm talking about the vet b/c class. So lostboy, it would be okay for Mcgrath to race the 450B class...
Emig won the open vet class. I'm talking about the vet b/c class. So lostboy, it would be okay for Mcgrath to race the 450B class at Lorettas if he wanted? You either don't race so you have no comprehension of class structure, or you're bitter because you would have no chance of making it out of an area qualifier in any of the classes they offer.
Thus the "self-inflicted" name of LOSTBOY... unbelievable how some idiots like lost just love to be so stupid and confrontational!

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