Cutting the track???

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 7:17pm
This topic seems to come up at least once or twice each season. When did the rules change about cutting the track? Back in the (G)olden days of MX, if you went off the track, you had to reenter in the same spot. I don't recall what the penalty was but it was something specific and harsh like being docked a lap. They made it so harsh that taking the time to reenter at the point of exit would be the best option for the rider.
It seems to me, the current rule is too judgmental. Just the fact that someone has to decide if the rider gained an advantage is based on an opinion, then they penalize the person some arbitrary number of seconds. This again is based on some unnamed persons opinion.
Being a former umpire, any rules that are based on someones judgement are bad rules. At least if it's a cut and dry rule (rider x leaves the track but didn't return at the same spot so he's docked a lap) then that would eliminate all the controversy.

BTW, This isn't meant to be a bash jlaw thread. I just brought it up because we seem to talk about this topic every season.
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cutting the track is now legal in supercross...... tired of one line tracks?? no place to pass?? the AMA has solved the problem! look for a 450F in an isle near you!
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You know what happened: Jason Lawrence took a shortcut past the first-turn carnage, took over the lead and then took off and damn near won the Daytona Supercross. Now folks are up in arms about that shortcut, and they have a good case. However, with all of the bikes laying across the track and course workers, team managers and photographers on the inside of the first turn, some jumping out onto the track with Mike Alessi-like reaction times, where else could he have gone? Kevin Windham and Ryan Villopoto practically wheelied over the fallen Josh Hill.

from Racer X!


SHUT UP ABOUT IT

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In the old days: do a donut in the infield, re-enter where he went off and go to the right side of the wreck.
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SteveS wrote:
In the old days: do a donut in the infield, re-enter where he went off and go to the right side of the wreck.
welcome to 2009
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Like I said in my original post, this isn't specifically about the jlaw incident. I posted this thread due to the number of times this topic ends up being brought up.

Just about every weekend, you'll see a guy jump off the side of the jump, keep on going and pull back on the track two or three jumps away. As long as he doesn't pass anyone, thats fine in today's rules.
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Not when they are are on the ground blocking the line.
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J-Law got forced to the inside by the wreck, he looked for a space in the blocks, checked oncoming traffic, let some go and then took off.
Ferry came from way out in the middle of nowhere and crossed behind the yard-sale to pass through the infield section but then hung himself on a block.
Short picked himself up out of the middle of the whole mess and then took off on Lawrence's cut-the-track line.

Seems like a pretty gray area, rule and ethics wise, but nobody who really matters in the decision seems to think it was a big deal. I can't imagine the AMA passing on a chance to punt J-Law again. To really see it clearly if places were gained, you would need one of those John Madden play charts.

I do think they should have to re-enter at or before their exit point but sometimes that just isn't possible so they made the rule what it is.
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I would have to say that as long as they do not assess a penalty you have not cut the track.

Right, wrong or indifferent at the end of the day if the officials don't call it....it didn't happen.
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Cygnus wrote:
Not when they are are on the ground blocking the line.
lmao...excuse #338
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Cygnus wrote:
Not when they are are on the ground blocking the line.
BobbyM wrote:
lmao...excuse #338
What's the excuse for Alessi in the whoops?
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GoRide2 wrote:
What's the excuse for Alessi in the whoops?
he wasn't ready for it! hahaha
3/10/2009 1:13pm
If we are going to talk about the Daytona race my question is why did the officials not red flag the race and restart it. Heck the last couple of lights races got redflagged and restarted. Oh I know the answer the section of the track that had the pileup was not used for anything except the start. I have raced Daytona and I can tell you guys and girls that is some of the slickest grass I have ever been on. A dirtbike knobby will hardly fase it.
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Cygnus wrote:
Not when they are are on the ground blocking the line.
BobbyM wrote:
lmao...excuse #338
GoRide2 wrote:
What's the excuse for Alessi in the whoops?
they shoulda hooked a tether to the back of the side-cam rhino for alessi to get pulled through. anything woulda been better than 2nd gear mid-throttle... Smile
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holy fuck give it a rest
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3/10/2009 3:12pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:52pm
Cygnus wrote:
Not when they are are on the ground blocking the line.
BobbyM wrote:
lmao...excuse #338
GoRide2 wrote:
What's the excuse for Alessi in the whoops?
i am assuming fear/mental block kept mike from going wfo in them...kinda like you riding a scooter around the neighborhood you dork. do you ride man...anything but my balls? cocksmoking cumtwats like yerself/mayhem/bonerboy that don't ride should really not rip on racers like mike and everybody else that are one wreck away from being in a chair while giving it their all. really...big pussys like you and a few others on here should stick to making fun of me and not making fun of the guys on the track.

and peeldick...i expected more from you. you rolled into mt with a paid sub and wanted to make friends, you gave us the sympathy shit with yer f(*king brown eye dilemma. now yer sub is out and you wanna play BMOC on vital...you fucking twat. get out of my sight dork...

seriously....f*&king simps.
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BobbyM wrote:
lmao...excuse #338
GoRide2 wrote:
What's the excuse for Alessi in the whoops?
BobbyM wrote:
i am assuming fear/mental block kept mike from going wfo in them...kinda like you riding a scooter around the neighborhood you dork. do you ride man...anything...
i am assuming fear/mental block kept mike from going wfo in them...kinda like you riding a scooter around the neighborhood you dork. do you ride man...anything but my balls? cocksmoking cumtwats like yerself/mayhem/bonerboy that don't ride should really not rip on racers like mike and everybody else that are one wreck away from being in a chair while giving it their all. really...big pussys like you and a few others on here should stick to making fun of me and not making fun of the guys on the track.

and peeldick...i expected more from you. you rolled into mt with a paid sub and wanted to make friends, you gave us the sympathy shit with yer f(*king brown eye dilemma. now yer sub is out and you wanna play BMOC on vital...you fucking twat. get out of my sight dork...

seriously....f*&king simps.
and that friggen left side line. I kept thinking...move over to the right! Move over to the right...
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BobbyM wrote:
lmao...excuse #338
GoRide2 wrote:
What's the excuse for Alessi in the whoops?
BobbyM wrote:
i am assuming fear/mental block kept mike from going wfo in them...kinda like you riding a scooter around the neighborhood you dork. do you ride man...anything...
i am assuming fear/mental block kept mike from going wfo in them...kinda like you riding a scooter around the neighborhood you dork. do you ride man...anything but my balls? cocksmoking cumtwats like yerself/mayhem/bonerboy that don't ride should really not rip on racers like mike and everybody else that are one wreck away from being in a chair while giving it their all. really...big pussys like you and a few others on here should stick to making fun of me and not making fun of the guys on the track.

and peeldick...i expected more from you. you rolled into mt with a paid sub and wanted to make friends, you gave us the sympathy shit with yer f(*king brown eye dilemma. now yer sub is out and you wanna play BMOC on vital...you fucking twat. get out of my sight dork...

seriously....f*&king simps.
Why is he allowed to post here?
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GoRide2 wrote:
Why is he allowed to post here?
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GoRide2 wrote:
What's the excuse for Alessi in the whoops?
BobbyM wrote:
i am assuming fear/mental block kept mike from going wfo in them...kinda like you riding a scooter around the neighborhood you dork. do you ride man...anything...
i am assuming fear/mental block kept mike from going wfo in them...kinda like you riding a scooter around the neighborhood you dork. do you ride man...anything but my balls? cocksmoking cumtwats like yerself/mayhem/bonerboy that don't ride should really not rip on racers like mike and everybody else that are one wreck away from being in a chair while giving it their all. really...big pussys like you and a few others on here should stick to making fun of me and not making fun of the guys on the track.

and peeldick...i expected more from you. you rolled into mt with a paid sub and wanted to make friends, you gave us the sympathy shit with yer f(*king brown eye dilemma. now yer sub is out and you wanna play BMOC on vital...you fucking twat. get out of my sight dork...

seriously....f*&king simps.
GoRide2 wrote:
Why is he allowed to post here?
come on simp...why do you make fun of racers giving it their all...even if it isn't good enough for yer lame brain ass? everyone one of em are one crash away from a chair...button...fonz...bailey...james...magoo. who the hell are you to make fun of them?

please answer dork
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3/10/2009 3:32pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:52pm
geezes bobby, all the stuff i've said about anyone is in humor. maybe my jokes suck, but i don't think i've said one thing towards a rider that is half as shitty as some of the stuff you say on here.


the tether thing was a joke. he was getting passed all night long, and stayed in the same line.


lighten up
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peelout719 wrote:
geezes bobby, all the stuff i've said about anyone is in humor. maybe my jokes suck, but i don't think i've said one thing towards a...
geezes bobby, all the stuff i've said about anyone is in humor. maybe my jokes suck, but i don't think i've said one thing towards a rider that is half as shitty as some of the stuff you say on here.


the tether thing was a joke. he was getting passed all night long, and stayed in the same line.


lighten up
make fun man....and to think we all thought you were one of the good guys. i don't rip on riders. you pile on cuz you think it's the cool thing to do. be yerself man....damn
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if you knew me in person you would know i'm always joking. you don't find it funny, that's your deal. i'm me, ask yosmithy on mt.

and it was a fuggin joke. i've said in other threads that he rode great. i think if it weren't for his line in the whoops, he would have had 3rd on lock. but he was getting eaten alive there.

seriously man, chill out a bit. i'm sorry you don't get the humor, but that's how its all meant
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peelout719 wrote:
if you knew me in person you would know i'm always joking. you don't find it funny, that's your deal. i'm me, ask yosmithy on mt...
if you knew me in person you would know i'm always joking. you don't find it funny, that's your deal. i'm me, ask yosmithy on mt.

and it was a fuggin joke. i've said in other threads that he rode great. i think if it weren't for his line in the whoops, he would have had 3rd on lock. but he was getting eaten alive there.

seriously man, chill out a bit. i'm sorry you don't get the humor, but that's how its all meant
i bet yer cool as hell, unlike the other dork but all i am saying is...don't be a follower...be a peelout.
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as for goride making fun of racers...well he sucksazz. who knows..maybe he's in a wheelchair himself and can make those rips on other racers...but i doubt it. gotta race and ride before you get paralyzed.
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i see what yer sayin bob. and i concur, i've been on a run lately.

thing is, i've only said one negative thing about a rider, that i actually meant, and that was about Ryan Dungey's tear ducts being more productive than most normal racers...

and speaking of MT, i'm coming back in due time
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Bobby your reasoning is very flawed...

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