Bagget,Barcia,Roczen,Tomac,....

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Edited Date/Time 6/7/2012 5:46pm
Throw a wet blanket over all of 'em... I just watched Moto2 of Lakewood last night and dam, that was some good racin'!!

Some quick thoughts: Baggett is an alien--Barcia is a fighter, and if his training improves he could be the man--Roczen is naturally gifted but not as strong as he ( and some euro posters ) thinks he is---Tomac is the dark horse,..he's hard-core but he has got to find a higher gear if he wants to win this epic title......

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6/6/2012 3:14pm
I thought for sure that Tomac would follow Baggett to the front, kinda like moto 1 at Hangtown, but I do realize that's A LOT to ask of a rider. He often puts down the fastest laps of anyone but BB, but he's just not as unrelenting or consistent yet at that pace (although he sure was at Freestone).

Baggett's making them all look a little foolish right now, but the other three should all be there till the end. I wish Wilson could be out there. If anyone could handle BB it would be him, but the competition is a lot stiffer now than it was when he was dominating last year.
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Re: Roczen

if not for a mistake trying to pass Barcia in the first, and getting held up by lappers and making another in the second moto, he could have been the one with the overall win and everyone's tone would be different.

where's everyone saying that he simply wasn't on Bagget and Tomac's pace last week?
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6/6/2012 3:29pm
Bagget seems to be the shit right now, but the season is long, anything can happen...
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DrSweden wrote:
Bagget seems to be the shit right now, but the season is long, anything can happen...
zactly, Bags is baggin it right now! alien like Woohoo

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6/6/2012 3:37pm
peelout wrote:
Re: Roczen if not for a mistake trying to pass Barcia in the first, and getting held up by lappers and making another in the second...
Re: Roczen

if not for a mistake trying to pass Barcia in the first, and getting held up by lappers and making another in the second moto, he could have been the one with the overall win and everyone's tone would be different.

where's everyone saying that he simply wasn't on Bagget and Tomac's pace last week?
This is too true. A couple of seconds difference and people completely change their outlook on a rider.
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6/6/2012 3:43pm
Kenny will most likely be the most to improve as the season rolls on, he is used to GP's where they have 2 day events and they get about 10x's the track time during the weekend before the motos even start. He needs to learn the tracks...quickly!

Regardless the 250 class is freakin awesome, look for great racing every weekend as long as Baggy doesnt start pulling massive holeshots lol
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6/6/2012 3:46pm Edited Date/Time 6/6/2012 3:47pm
peelout wrote:
Re: Roczen if not for a mistake trying to pass Barcia in the first, and getting held up by lappers and making another in the second...
Re: Roczen

if not for a mistake trying to pass Barcia in the first, and getting held up by lappers and making another in the second moto, he could have been the one with the overall win and everyone's tone would be different.

where's everyone saying that he simply wasn't on Bagget and Tomac's pace last week?
Edit: read your post wrong
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Speaking of Kenny:

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Barcia is a lot more mature and stronger in the nats this year! Also, glad to see him race the guys without BamBam'ing them. He's off to his best start I think and looks to be solid for the entire series.

Eli showed @ Freestone he could best Blake B, which was a great comeback after that first round stomping BB did to all. I was also curious as to why he stalled out on the charge him and BB were putting on in the second moto at Thunder Valley???

Roczen, this isn't a bash now so don't jump all over this but... he looks very Dungey'ish!!! I mean, when you see Blake Baggett throwing down laps, you can visually "see" he's hauling the mail. And I remember watching KROC look just like that BEFORE he was here full time. I miss that. He is consistent just not enough speed yet. Yes, without a couple mistakes he would of been the OA winner but checking "sign-of-the-lap-times" you can see he was quite a bit off the pace(second moto) but benefited from great starts.

BlakeB, what can you say, speedwise he's the BOSS so far. And... he's making sure his bad moto's, if you can call them that, are not championship contention crushing like last year. Again, we're only three rounds in but I'm hoping he's keeps it all figured out.

Anyway you call it, the 250 class is way more exciting then the 450's. It's almost as if OZZY is right! They're both just classes of PRO's, hell.. maybe we should call the 250's the PREMIER class from now on! Heheheh, jus' kidding.

MY outlook of a rider doesn't change simply by if they win or not. It's determined by a combination of aspects of both the rider and their racing. But winning is the goal Smile
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6/6/2012 4:24pm
I think Roczen will start coming on as the season progresses. Once he gets the hang of going balls out right when the gate drops, he'll start getting the wins. If I had to predict a champion right now, though, I'd have to say Bagget. The kid's just a freakin' beast.
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Dano, if you go back and watch 2010 GP's and compare Kenny to him in 2011 when he won the GP title you can see the change happen way back then. He is a lot smoother, more feet on the pegs and controlled, much more of a "mature" rider. Maybe it was some of the Everts influence? Whatever it was, it works. Give him some time....i think we will see the best of him in the 2nd half of the season when he is fully adjusted to the schedule and how things are ran here, it really is night and day difference between how they do it "over there" Cool
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6/6/2012 4:32pm
Roczen will have to step things up a notch for full on world domination. Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and dancing. Maybe it's just Baggets Mona Vie that's missing from his program?Drink the ground up shrimp shells Kenny!!
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btw: it was way cool in the vid seeing the behind the scenes stuff like talking to Ian and Kelly on bike setup throughout the day etc etc. Thats the kinda stuff i like hearing about, im a total tech junky lol
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6/6/2012 4:37pm Edited Date/Time 6/6/2012 4:37pm
ocscottie wrote:
btw: it was way cool in the vid seeing the behind the scenes stuff like talking to Ian and Kelly on bike setup throughout the day...
btw: it was way cool in the vid seeing the behind the scenes stuff like talking to Ian and Kelly on bike setup throughout the day etc etc. Thats the kinda stuff i like hearing about, im a total tech junky lol
His first overall is this weekend OC...gonna try and get my cousin to take his lazy ass out there and see if he can grab me a shirt.

He just started WyoTech in Blairsville, about 68 miles away from Mt. Morris. crazy thing is he loves mud-boggin, but doesn't really care for moto...tool.
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crazy thing is he loves mud-boggin, but doesn't really care for moto...tool.

HAR!! at least it is "gettin dirty!" Laughing

...see if he can grab me a shirt.

grab two! Cool
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6/6/2012 4:47pm
newmann wrote:
Roczen will have to step things up a notch for full on world domination. Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and dancing. Maybe it's just...
Roczen will have to step things up a notch for full on world domination. Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and dancing. Maybe it's just Baggets Mona Vie that's missing from his program?Drink the ground up shrimp shells Kenny!!
yeah its the monie vie ha ha. do they drug test lites riders or just the premier class.
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I gotcha's OC. I did watch the 2010 GP's but skipped 2011 Sad

BTW, I'm definitely NOT giving up on him. I understand that a "weekend" of racing is a big difference compared to a "day" of racing. Don't we have James to blame for that? Since we blame him for everything else Tongue
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6/6/2012 4:54pm Edited Date/Time 6/6/2012 4:55pm
sharkey wrote:
yeah its the monie vie ha ha. do they drug test lites riders or just the premier class.
As far as I know they only drug test for sx. Either way I don't get what your trying to imply.
6/6/2012 5:00pm
I feel like Roczen is going to be the Canard of 2010
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6/6/2012 9:17pm Edited Date/Time 6/6/2012 9:25pm
peelout wrote:
Re: Roczen if not for a mistake trying to pass Barcia in the first, and getting held up by lappers and making another in the second...
Re: Roczen

if not for a mistake trying to pass Barcia in the first, and getting held up by lappers and making another in the second moto, he could have been the one with the overall win and everyone's tone would be different.

where's everyone saying that he simply wasn't on Bagget and Tomac's pace last week?
He's not on Baggett's pace. Did you check lap times? But then again no one is!
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6/6/2012 9:23pm Edited Date/Time 6/6/2012 9:24pm
Baggett will win every moto he gets a top 5 start in!!!
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The class has been all about these 4 now Wilson has gone,you can see overall that even though the class looked waaaaay stacked,they've shown where the talent really lies

Bagget-amazingly he's cranked it up even further than last year,maybe the Aldon Baker training has really kicked in,the laptimes show he puts in top 450 times as the race goes on!

Barcia-definately a big improvement of last year,great holeshots and his experience is now paying off,he looks to have carried the SX momentum and confidence,very solid

Tomac-things have come together for him too now,awesome ride in Texas,starts have slipped a bit which have been where he's dropped potential points,great speed and focus

Roczen-very smooth and mature this year,doesn't quite look like he was last year but everything is new to him and I'm sure he'll adapt,we've seen how fast he can be running 450 pace
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6/7/2012 12:03am Edited Date/Time 6/7/2012 12:04am
Matthes brought up an interesting point in Observations this week. Tomac is pretty big now. That definitely affected his starts at Thunder Valley.

Also, I predict Baggett will probably do a repeat of last year at High Point... hopefully that includes the rotated visor.
6/7/2012 12:06am Edited Date/Time 6/7/2012 12:08am
its a long season, and we're only at the start! theyre all still in championship contention- i just hope they all stay healthy all summer because (as predicted) its been nothing short of epic so far! I think roczen will improve as the season goes on- i'd be very surprised if he didnt win at least a few motos/ overalls. Nothing to worry about yet though, he's still right in the championship hunt!

250 class is way more stacked than the 450s in the ama this year- its gona be alot better to watch. GP's is the other way round! (450s way more stacked/ better to watch than 250s) - its gona be a great season for spectators!

Its a shame wilson got injured as that would have added even more to the series, but 4 riders battling for wins every week is good enough for me!

I think marvin has ridden well so far considering the injury- i hope he can get back to 100% fit and re-discover old form, if he can then it will be a 5 horse race each round!!! Marvin should be good at unadilla!
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6/7/2012 12:22am
did you watch moto 2 on youtube? i cant find it, they only showed moto 1 on tv in australia idno if the same went for america
6/7/2012 12:46am
The only weakness with Baggett so far this year is his starts. He has to improve his starts! Even if he can come through the field (and we've all seen that he can), it's only a matter of time before he gets mixed up in all the chaos of much slower riders and logs in a dnf. They'll also be races like Freestone where riders like Tomac are on form and he won't see them for dust - 2 seconds a lap faster or not. Starts are the final piece of the puzzle for Blake.

Roczen. He's still a top rider but just not "the" top rider anymore. You put that down to any number of things that have already been mentioned a dozen times. However he seems to have the right attitude so far. Take your time, learn the system and just do what you can. If BB comes flying by at 2 seconds a lap faster then Ken is just as powerless as everyone else on the track. In other words he needs to just keep concentrating on his own program. Good job so far.

I would say Justin Barcia is in a similar sort of place to where KR is right now. He's definitely well in the running for the championship and is dramatically improved over last year.

However Eli Tomac is still my favorite for the title overall. I would say BB but I think he'll derail somewhere along the way and I'd like to say KR but it's a learning process for him and this class is merciless. Tomac and Barcia are the most likely in the long run.
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6/7/2012 12:59am
Well said 83. Its gonna be a great freakin summer, hopefully ALL the way to the last round / last moto at Elsie Cool
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I have to say the two riders I really want to see ride are Bagget and Tomac. Their styles are just mindblowing!

I agree that Bagget and Tomac are the top runners in terms of pure speed, but their starts have been holding them back, which is where Barcia and Roczen have been good.
I have seen Roczen ride better so I`m expecting him to do better than this. He just seems more conservative than normal. But man, I don`t even watch the GP`s this year, it`s all about the 250 nationals this season! Too bad Wilson isn`t there.
Another dark horse contender for podiums may be Musquin once his hand heals more. He can be the guy who steals points away from the top 4 at times, which means he can be a big factor in determining the championship for Bagget, Roczen, Tomac and Barcia.

I wish I had more time off this summer, I was planning to go to the US for 3 weeks to follow the nationals Sad
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6/7/2012 4:16am
I'm not a Barcia fan AT ALL but his good starts are going to be tough for BB and ET to over come . They have the speed to win but coming from the back or even mid pack is tough.
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jleews6 wrote:
I'm not a Barcia fan AT ALL but his good starts are going to be tough for BB and ET to over come . They have...
I'm not a Barcia fan AT ALL but his good starts are going to be tough for BB and ET to over come . They have the speed to win but coming from the back or even mid pack is tough.
Hello.

To be honest, in my dreams I hoped that Kenny dominated the nationals. Dreaming should be allowed I guess.
Since he is racing, in every year he was a contender of the title, even if he changed in a higher class. In 2009 he won GP`s in the end of 2010 his was faster than Marvin but too late for the title. In 2012 he became World champion, and he had amazing results at the last three MX of Nations.
I saw a lot of races of him in Europe. Currently BB and maybe some others are faster. But I guess Ken is not on the same level as in the last year. It seems, that he raced a little bit carful, maybe he tried to avoid too much risk. Maybe there are some other reasons, maybe Iám totally wrong.
I hope (wish) he will be able to win races this year or actually the title.
If not, it is definitely not a shame. I promised myself to travel to the US for at least one race.

Ride on
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