USGP , Here is a clue on why no top Americans race.

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screw the beer , any stripper pics?
newmann wrote:
That would start a whole other pointless arguement.
Not in my eyes!, I would rather see some hot chicks than read a 10 page debate on 2 and 4 strokes. LOL, the debate could go on for eternity!
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JMar, turns out I am in Holland at the GP. Mr. Luongo and I met several times over the weekend and enjoyed a great event in...
JMar, turns out I am in Holland at the GP. Mr. Luongo and I met several times over the weekend and enjoyed a great event in Valkenswaard. Not sure what you expect of me as far as the success of this event goes, but we're doing what we can to help support a USGP, and that includes opening a date between the SX/MX series to give it the best chance for success this year, and offering staff and infrastructure to Youthstream.

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500guy wrote:
Dave wants his house painted and I would like a New A/C unit before Summer hits hard.

Please schedule it to be at my convenience.
Jay

What does painting a house have to do with DC and GL working together and having a combined race, were the best in the world are on the same track here in the US?
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Anyone here on salary? Anyone work well beyond 40hrs. per week for no additional compensation? This ^ isn't why I posted. Why do some expect DC...
Anyone here on salary? Anyone work well beyond 40hrs. per week for no additional compensation?

This ^ isn't why I posted. Why do some expect DC to change his business plan for the GP's, and then shield the riders from the same criticism?
jmar wrote:
How often do you have a chance to get the best riders in the World on the same track here in the States?

That's why.
JLong wrote:
Can I assume you're saying if they worked together the sponsors would feel it necessary to "pay" or "include" the race in their contracts?
Make the combined race part of the outdoor series, and ditto on the GP.
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jmar wrote:
How often do you have a chance to get the best riders in the World on the same track here in the States?

That's why.
JLong wrote:
Can I assume you're saying if they worked together the sponsors would feel it necessary to "pay" or "include" the race in their contracts?
jmar wrote:
Make the combined race part of the outdoor series, and ditto on the GP.
Got it. I'm not sure how it would work, but I must say the nostalgia of the '80's USGP's is something that has never left me.

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JLong wrote:
Can I assume you're saying if they worked together the sponsors would feel it necessary to "pay" or "include" the race in their contracts?
jmar wrote:
Make the combined race part of the outdoor series, and ditto on the GP.
JLong wrote:
Got it. I'm not sure how it would work, but I must say the nostalgia of the '80's USGP's is something that has never left me.
I agree,

I know it wouldn't be easy, but I am sure that it could be worked out and both could benefit from a great race.
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it's crazy talk, Glen Helen isn't even a NPG track
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500guy wrote:
it's crazy talk, Glen Helen isn't even a NPG track
That's where DC and LG come into play. I am sure they could figure this thing out in the future.

Nothing crazy about that.
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jmar wrote:
Jay What does painting a house have to do with DC and GL working together and having a combined race, were the best in the world...
Jay

What does painting a house have to do with DC and GL working together and having a combined race, were the best in the world are on the same track here in the US?
Jay still thinks free is free.
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leakypipe23 wrote:
Newmann: If you were paid $100,000 for every car you fixed, and you were given the option of fixing a lawnmower on between car jobs for...
Newmann: If you were paid $100,000 for every car you fixed, and you were given the option of fixing a lawnmower on between car jobs for $5,000 that was dangerous due to the possibility of cutting yourself and keeping you from the car jobs for a month, you would change your tune.

Look up Opportunity Cost.

Do it for pride? Pride of what? Guys on the Internet debating which series' riders are better?

Race Sunday, Hangtown press day Thursday? No thanks.
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leakypipe23 wrote:
Newmann: If you were paid $100,000 for every car you fixed, and you were given the option of fixing a lawnmower on between car jobs for...
Newmann: If you were paid $100,000 for every car you fixed, and you were given the option of fixing a lawnmower on between car jobs for $5,000 that was dangerous due to the possibility of cutting yourself and keeping you from the car jobs for a month, you would change your tune.

Look up Opportunity Cost.

Do it for pride? Pride of what? Guys on the Internet debating which series' riders are better?

Race Sunday, Hangtown press day Thursday? No thanks.
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This
I just got through helping a lady get her right rear window in her car up and closed. Looks like a broken window regulator. Did it for free too. Good thing the glass didn't break and hurt myself since I wasn't getting paid. And I just paid cash for another townhouse. Gonna have to quit doing stuff for "free" since it never comes back.........Wink
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500guy wrote:
it's crazy talk, Glen Helen isn't even a NPG track
jmar wrote:
That's where DC and LG come into play. I am sure they could figure this thing out in the future.

Nothing crazy about that.
Laughable. Its not going to happen. Davey has done all he should do. If the GP promoter can't make a go of it then oh well, the promoter needs to be trying to see if he can get the top guys from America there. If that is what it is going to take to make spectators show up he needs to be paying RV and who ever else to show up. So LG or the owner of Glen Helen need to step up, not Davey. Last I checked he isn't trying to put a national in Europe. Hello?????

And why isn't DC trying to expand into Europe, because it makes no sense to try to. The following for the nationals is here in the states, not in Europe. Just like the GP following is in Europe, oh sure you would have some random guys who would like to see a national in Europe like you have random guys here who like to see the GP. Those guys won't pay the bills, get over it.
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leakypipe23 wrote:
Newmann: If you were paid $100,000 for every car you fixed, and you were given the option of fixing a lawnmower on between car jobs for...
Newmann: If you were paid $100,000 for every car you fixed, and you were given the option of fixing a lawnmower on between car jobs for $5,000 that was dangerous due to the possibility of cutting yourself and keeping you from the car jobs for a month, you would change your tune.

Look up Opportunity Cost.

Do it for pride? Pride of what? Guys on the Internet debating which series' riders are better?

Race Sunday, Hangtown press day Thursday? No thanks.
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newmann wrote:
I just got through helping a lady get her right rear window in her car up and closed. Looks like a broken window regulator. Did it...
I just got through helping a lady get her right rear window in her car up and closed. Looks like a broken window regulator. Did it for free too. Good thing the glass didn't break and hurt myself since I wasn't getting paid. And I just paid cash for another townhouse. Gonna have to quit doing stuff for "free" since it never comes back.........Wink
I agree that the good Samaritan shit comes back to you in business but do you really think it is going to come back to a pro athlete? Are the MX guys going to get bigger contracts for doing a one off race? Are sponsors going to be lining up because they raced it?

Window regulator is a cheap fix and 45 minutes tops depending on the car. You going to buy the regulator and install it for free too?
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Why is Davey at the GP? Could be another matter all together. Contracts are coming up soon for the Outdoor Nationals. Some tracks do not have a contract offer yet for next year. You never know what might happen today, tomorrow or down the road. But I can't wait for Hangtown because the Dirt Diggers put on a Great Race that they pay MX Sports money to have. Dirt Diggers pay the purse money as do the other tracks that have a national also. You know every track pays alot to have a National so support the tracks that have the Nationals because its their money that brings you the event. They can't survive if you do not put something back in their pocket so they can keep the track open. Its about the tracks 1st. Remember when Pro's rode because they loved to race no matter when or where. Where did that go?
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leakypipe23 wrote:
Newmann: If you were paid $100,000 for every car you fixed, and you were given the option of fixing a lawnmower on between car jobs for...
Newmann: If you were paid $100,000 for every car you fixed, and you were given the option of fixing a lawnmower on between car jobs for $5,000 that was dangerous due to the possibility of cutting yourself and keeping you from the car jobs for a month, you would change your tune.

Look up Opportunity Cost.

Do it for pride? Pride of what? Guys on the Internet debating which series' riders are better?

Race Sunday, Hangtown press day Thursday? No thanks.
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newmann wrote:
I just got through helping a lady get her right rear window in her car up and closed. Looks like a broken window regulator. Did it...
I just got through helping a lady get her right rear window in her car up and closed. Looks like a broken window regulator. Did it for free too. Good thing the glass didn't break and hurt myself since I wasn't getting paid. And I just paid cash for another townhouse. Gonna have to quit doing stuff for "free" since it never comes back.........Wink
Hey you fed me Hamburgers and a few Shiner Bochs (SP) .

That will come back to you one day also.

I get the concept, I just don't think it can be applied here.
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mrquick wrote:
why does it always have to be about the money? Thats whats wrong with the world today.
MBBadgers wrote:
So you don't work for money then?
mrquick wrote:
Yes,I work for money. That was a stupid question.I happen to be lucky enough to make 6 figures a year.I also ride for fun and i...
Yes,I work for money. That was a stupid question.I happen to be lucky enough to make 6 figures a year.I also ride for fun and i pay to do it.I take chances that could keep me from doing my job on monday but thats LIVING.Maybe the Pros should not practice anymore because that could get them hurt and mess up their chance of winning.maybe they shouldnt ride on planes to and from the races as thats very Dangerous and could keep them from racing. maybe they shouldnt swim because they could drown and ....well you get my drift.
holy fuck!! 6...6 figures?

a...a year?
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DC wrote:
JMar, turns out I am in Holland at the GP. Mr. Luongo and I met several times over the weekend and enjoyed a great event in...
JMar, turns out I am in Holland at the GP. Mr. Luongo and I met several times over the weekend and enjoyed a great event in Valkenswaard. Not sure what you expect of me as far as the success of this event goes, but we're doing what we can to help support a USGP, and that includes opening a date between the SX/MX series to give it the best chance for success this year, and offering staff and infrastructure to Youthstream.

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TeamGreen wrote:
Uh, Davey...?

Tell us about the beer!

How good is the Beer in Holland!?
mxb2 wrote:
screw the beer , any stripper pics?
what about the menu DC...THE MENU??

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500guy wrote:
it's crazy talk, Glen Helen isn't even a NPG track
jmar wrote:
That's where DC and LG come into play. I am sure they could figure this thing out in the future.

Nothing crazy about that.
I think DC's reply made you look and feel like a complete nard...carry on jim "knowitalll" martin. Wink
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I agree that the good Samaritan shit comes back to you in business but do you really think it is going to come back to a...
I agree that the good Samaritan shit comes back to you in business but do you really think it is going to come back to a pro athlete? Are the MX guys going to get bigger contracts for doing a one off race? Are sponsors going to be lining up because they raced it?

Window regulator is a cheap fix and 45 minutes tops depending on the car. You going to buy the regulator and install it for free too?
Look at it this way. It's not likely but it's not too unlikely now either. A rider from here (or from there coming here) racing in that event could potentially help himself bring some outside sponsorship from Europe or maybe some sponsorship to his team. After all, with the way SX is becoming (a lot of live rounds and still growing) and MX on Motors TV from both continents there is a wide reach to audiences now. A reach this industry has never had before (thanks to the influx in computer communication the last decade). When Ken comes over here full time in 2012 I'll be real interested to see if that Teka sponsorship comes with him.

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Did any rider ever say he wasn't doing the race because of no money? Just curious.
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I'ts really sad what modern motocrossers have become! whatever happened to racing to be the baddest mother fucker on the planet? not USA, but to win in the GP's and US MX and SX.
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I'ts really sad what modern motocrossers have become! whatever happened to racing to be the baddest mother fucker on the planet? not USA, but to win...
I'ts really sad what modern motocrossers have become! whatever happened to racing to be the baddest mother fucker on the planet? not USA, but to win in the GP's and US MX and SX.
Yeah, what a bunch of no good losers
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GuyB--how many pages did it take to rehash this same stupid crap over and over again last year?
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mom241 wrote:
Did any rider ever say he wasn't doing the race because of no money? Just curious.
Given the opportunity and support of his team, I bet I know one kid from Oklahoma who would fly the stars and stripes at the USGP. He appeared quite flattered by the reception he, Short and Dungey recieved when they entered the VIP tent at the MXdN last year. Seems like an all around great person, hows he healing up???
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He's doing great. Already almost two weeks down, and counting.

Yes, doing des Nations was a huge honor, and he really hopes to be chosen again. However, he didn't make any money at that race, and in fact it cost him a little. It was way worth it.

The difference is, these riders do not own their race bikes. Or even their practice bikes. They simply can't just go race wherever or whenever they want. At des Nations, they have the full blessing of their team. I assume that most teams have not budgeted this race into their schedule. It's not just the rider showing up, there are a lot of people involved. If the team doesn't want to do it, it's really not up to the rider. Never mind the fact that the bikes would have to be changed, then changed back the following week.
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500guy wrote:
it's crazy talk, Glen Helen isn't even a NPG track
jmar wrote:
That's where DC and LG come into play. I am sure they could figure this thing out in the future.

Nothing crazy about that.
Overdrive wrote:
Laughable. Its not going to happen. Davey has done all he should do. If the GP promoter can't make a go of it then oh well...
Laughable. Its not going to happen. Davey has done all he should do. If the GP promoter can't make a go of it then oh well, the promoter needs to be trying to see if he can get the top guys from America there. If that is what it is going to take to make spectators show up he needs to be paying RV and who ever else to show up. So LG or the owner of Glen Helen need to step up, not Davey. Last I checked he isn't trying to put a national in Europe. Hello?????

And why isn't DC trying to expand into Europe, because it makes no sense to try to. The following for the nationals is here in the states, not in Europe. Just like the GP following is in Europe, oh sure you would have some random guys who would like to see a national in Europe like you have random guys here who like to see the GP. Those guys won't pay the bills, get over it.
I think nobody expects MX Sports to do any charity work for Youthstream, but I would be surprised if the benefits of a co-operation between the 2 wouldn't outweigh the costs.
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mom241 wrote:
GuyB--how many pages did it take to rehash this same stupid crap over and over again last year?
Good question.

I'm just wondering how long until Jay makes another post about MXA and the USGP?

All kidding aside I'm thinking there will be more spectators at this year's race since it won't be a last minute deal like last year. Will it be as many as the GH National....no but it's a chance to see works machines and riders we're not familiar with....last year was a great event and I'm expecting more of the same this year.
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mom241 wrote:
GuyB--how many pages did it take to rehash this same stupid crap over and over again last year?
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Good question. I'm just wondering how long until Jay makes another post about MXA and the USGP? All kidding aside I'm thinking there will be more...
Good question.

I'm just wondering how long until Jay makes another post about MXA and the USGP?

All kidding aside I'm thinking there will be more spectators at this year's race since it won't be a last minute deal like last year. Will it be as many as the GH National....no but it's a chance to see works machines and riders we're not familiar with....last year was a great event and I'm expecting more of the same this year.
When was my last post about MXA ?

Also looking at a map of available camping Spots and taking into account they have Amateur day's . I would say only the same 5,000 of us are interested.
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The Rock wrote:
Good question. I'm just wondering how long until Jay makes another post about MXA and the USGP? All kidding aside I'm thinking there will be more...
Good question.

I'm just wondering how long until Jay makes another post about MXA and the USGP?

All kidding aside I'm thinking there will be more spectators at this year's race since it won't be a last minute deal like last year. Will it be as many as the GH National....no but it's a chance to see works machines and riders we're not familiar with....last year was a great event and I'm expecting more of the same this year.
I also sense that the GP riders are more and more known over here. If you're close and you don't take the opportunity to see these riders in action, it's your loss.
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jmar wrote:
That's where DC and LG come into play. I am sure they could figure this thing out in the future.

Nothing crazy about that.
Overdrive wrote:
Laughable. Its not going to happen. Davey has done all he should do. If the GP promoter can't make a go of it then oh well...
Laughable. Its not going to happen. Davey has done all he should do. If the GP promoter can't make a go of it then oh well, the promoter needs to be trying to see if he can get the top guys from America there. If that is what it is going to take to make spectators show up he needs to be paying RV and who ever else to show up. So LG or the owner of Glen Helen need to step up, not Davey. Last I checked he isn't trying to put a national in Europe. Hello?????

And why isn't DC trying to expand into Europe, because it makes no sense to try to. The following for the nationals is here in the states, not in Europe. Just like the GP following is in Europe, oh sure you would have some random guys who would like to see a national in Europe like you have random guys here who like to see the GP. Those guys won't pay the bills, get over it.
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I think nobody expects MX Sports to do any charity work for Youthstream, but I would be surprised if the benefits of a co-operation between the...
I think nobody expects MX Sports to do any charity work for Youthstream, but I would be surprised if the benefits of a co-operation between the 2 wouldn't outweigh the costs.
What possible benefit would there be for MX Sports? They already have a full series and a successful series that markets to their target audience. The US riders are competing in the series they are paid to compete in and getting the exposure they are paid to. And once a year all nations who can afford to put together a team compete on the world stage, MXDN.

There is no reason for MX Sports to lower turnout to their promoters races by coordinating with a competing series. Also this lowers the funds the teams have to get to the national series because there is NO compensation to do this race. The gp's work off of a different system of compensation for teams and riders than we do here.
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He's doing great. Already almost two weeks down, and counting. Yes, doing des Nations was a huge honor, and he really hopes to be chosen again...
He's doing great. Already almost two weeks down, and counting.

Yes, doing des Nations was a huge honor, and he really hopes to be chosen again. However, he didn't make any money at that race, and in fact it cost him a little. It was way worth it.

The difference is, these riders do not own their race bikes. Or even their practice bikes. They simply can't just go race wherever or whenever they want. At des Nations, they have the full blessing of their team. I assume that most teams have not budgeted this race into their schedule. It's not just the rider showing up, there are a lot of people involved. If the team doesn't want to do it, it's really not up to the rider. Never mind the fact that the bikes would have to be changed, then changed back the following week.
Thanks for the great input.

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