Damn them cops beat those dudes!

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jtomasik 5/8/2008 9:53am
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Yeah, I hear ya. But, let's say that they did shoot at the cops. Would you justify them killing the suspects instead?
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SEEMEFIRST 5/8/2008 10:00am
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"Someone taking a shot at one of my friends does not give me a license to call all my pals and have a beatdown party."

In Texas it sure as hell does.

If you can shoot a guy for stealing your lawn mower out of your garage, you can sure as hell let him have it for shooting at you.
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jtomasik 5/8/2008 10:06am
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I dunno. If someone shot at my family, and I caught them and beat the crap out of them to subdue them, I might get off.
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jtomasik 5/8/2008 10:12am
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Yeah, legally you're right. But, I think we leave out the human element. Legally, it was definitely wrong. And I'm all for that. But, to be surprised about that kind of behavior is unrealistic.

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jtiger12 5/8/2008 10:33am
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it's kids like these.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/...ay07,0,7479256.story


that grow up in places like this

http://www.baltimoresun.com/...ll=bal-local-utility


all over the cities in this country. WONDER why there is police brutality? I'd be making a wild guess, but i'd say for every story like this, there are 10 others where excessive force was NOT used and further justified.
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mxmiken 5/8/2008 11:16am
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THE COPS WERE A MIX OF WHITES AND BLACKS
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APLMAN 5/8/2008 11:25am
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That's not exactly a good description of what happened, either....

The cops called their "pals" to help apprehend them, not to beat them down after they were already subdued.

The fact that these folks were considered armed and dangerous after having fired at people (and wounding 3) certainly changes the dynamic from a basic traffic stop. That should be apparent to any rational person.
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Big Lenny 5/8/2008 11:27am
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APLMAN wrote:
In a perfect world I'd agree that the cops are never justified with beating down a suspect. But the fact is, they aren't robots. If it...
In a perfect world I'd agree that the cops are never justified with beating down a suspect.

But the fact is, they aren't robots. If it is true that these guys had just shot another officer, I think it'd be a difficult thing not to kick the shit out of them a little bit.
Those guys didn't shoot a cop...
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APLMAN 5/8/2008 11:28am
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APLMAN wrote:
In a perfect world I'd agree that the cops are never justified with beating down a suspect. But the fact is, they aren't robots. If it...
In a perfect world I'd agree that the cops are never justified with beating down a suspect.

But the fact is, they aren't robots. If it is true that these guys had just shot another officer, I think it'd be a difficult thing not to kick the shit out of them a little bit.
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Those guys didn't shoot a cop...
Nope, they shot 3 citizens......

A few posts above that someone said they had reports that a cop was shot.
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jonjon714 5/8/2008 11:37am
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Regardless of any crimes allegedly committed by perps, cops don't get a free ass kicking pass…It certainly looked like what they did was wrong and if so they should be punished for it…
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jtomasik 5/8/2008 11:40am
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jonjon714 wrote:
Regardless of any crimes allegedly committed by perps, cops don't get a free ass kicking pass…It certainly looked like what they did was wrong and if...
Regardless of any crimes allegedly committed by perps, cops don't get a free ass kicking pass…It certainly looked like what they did was wrong and if so they should be punished for it…
Uh, they are. They're suspended, and they're under investigation.

Hey, for you other guys who are saying what they did was illegal, shouldn't it be "innocent until proven guilty"? Or, does the law only apply when aligned to your opinion?
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Oh I'm sorry the gangbangers got gangbanged this time!
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jonjon714 5/8/2008 11:50am
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jonjon714 wrote:
Regardless of any crimes allegedly committed by perps, cops don't get a free ass kicking pass…It certainly looked like what they did was wrong and if...
Regardless of any crimes allegedly committed by perps, cops don't get a free ass kicking pass…It certainly looked like what they did was wrong and if so they should be punished for it…
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Uh, they are. They're suspended, and they're under investigation. Hey, for you other guys who are saying what they did was illegal, shouldn't it be "innocent...
Uh, they are. They're suspended, and they're under investigation.

Hey, for you other guys who are saying what they did was illegal, shouldn't it be "innocent until proven guilty"? Or, does the law only apply when aligned to your opinion?
I am believer in due process and these officers should be considered innocent until proven guilty.

But if found guilty, I was talking about the kind of punishment a judge will hand down.
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jtomasik 5/8/2008 11:53am
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jonjon714 wrote:
I am believer in due process and these officers should be considered innocent until proven guilty. But if found guilty, I was talking about the kind...
I am believer in due process and these officers should be considered innocent until proven guilty.

But if found guilty, I was talking about the kind of punishment a judge will hand down.
Nothing says it can't be.

Regardless of what happens to the cops, I hope that it won't affect the punishment of those guys in the car, if they did what the stories are saying. Unfortunately, it just might.
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jonjon714 5/8/2008 12:00pm
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jonjon714 wrote:
I am believer in due process and these officers should be considered innocent until proven guilty. But if found guilty, I was talking about the kind...
I am believer in due process and these officers should be considered innocent until proven guilty.

But if found guilty, I was talking about the kind of punishment a judge will hand down.
jtomasik wrote:
Nothing says it can't be. Regardless of what happens to the cops, I hope that it won't affect the punishment of those guys in the car...
Nothing says it can't be.

Regardless of what happens to the cops, I hope that it won't affect the punishment of those guys in the car, if they did what the stories are saying. Unfortunately, it just might.
I'm tired of agreeing w/you too...Same school...Wink
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KAWboy14 5/8/2008 12:07pm
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if they would have layed on the ground with their hands behind their backs as told.....they wouldnt have had to get the ear wax beat out of them so they could hear the commands.
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It does seem brutal though when they beat them when they should keep their cool and just subdue them but who knows what goes on when your in the moment and what the cops think it takes to keep the guy down so they can't retaliate. I think more details will come out but in general I think they can just subdue them and not beat the crap out of them but if your in that situation you may do the same. It's just such a gray area and it's easy to make judgement's when your not there in the moment. I'm in the middle on this. I really don't know what to think. One way it seemed excessive, on the other hand, we weren't there so we really don't know what led up to it or what really happened.
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I watched the video again and it looked like they used force to keep the guy down then they subdued him. Must of been a big deal, they had a police helicopter, dogs, tons of cops, so the guys were probably considered armed and dangerous. It didn't look too bad. They did put a little beating on him for a minute to keep him down and dazed which might be standard police procedures until they were able to subdue, pin down and cuff him. They use batons and tazors and shit all the time so I think they were just kicking and doing a little punching to the face to keep them down and dazed until they could cuff them.

It's going to hurt the police department not backing up their officers and instead caving in to public pressure and public opinion.

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Trinitite 5/8/2008 12:55pm
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I've been beat up by cops before. Can't say I didn't deserve it when it happened. If you don't run and don't resist you won't get smacked. It's not complicated.
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az2u 5/8/2008 1:04pm
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My best friend is a CHP(California Highway Patrol) officer. He couldn't believe the first time he was at the local police station and watched the locals put the boot to a gang memeber who had strayed too far from his neighborhood(border town). The locals told the gang member he better not return and to make sure he tells the homies. Apparently the town has a low crime rate and the locals want to keep that way.
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I watched the video again and it looked like they used force to keep the guy down then they subdued him. Must of been a big...
I watched the video again and it looked like they used force to keep the guy down then they subdued him. Must of been a big deal, they had a police helicopter, dogs, tons of cops, so the guys were probably considered armed and dangerous. It didn't look too bad. They did put a little beating on him for a minute to keep him down and dazed which might be standard police procedures until they were able to subdue, pin down and cuff him. They use batons and tazors and shit all the time so I think they were just kicking and doing a little punching to the face to keep them down and dazed until they could cuff them.

It's going to hurt the police department not backing up their officers and instead caving in to public pressure and public opinion.
It was a news helicopter, not a police helicopter.......
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The news helicopter got footage but I am pretty sure they had a police helicopter there as well.

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