Trump’s $5K Promise. Dividend or Vote Buying?

APLMAN99 wrote:

It's a bit of a tangent, but one interesting thing to ponder is when humans became individuals.  I don't mean singular persons in the literal sense...

It's a bit of a tangent, but one interesting thing to ponder is when humans became individuals.  I don't mean singular persons in the literal sense, but when did individual property rights become a concept.  For early humans to survive, it required a group to protect, produce, and nurture the young.  During that period it is only logical that 'the group' shared nearly everything and worked towards the common goal of survival.  We obviously don't have the same level of pressures to comingle our resources quite that drastically now, but it is intriguing to think about just when that switch started to take place.  

R66 wrote:

I guess I never will have to clean a filter, change a tire, or even own a dirt bike. I’ll just show up and ride yours...

I guess I never will have to clean a filter, change a tire, or even own a dirt bike. I’ll just show up and ride yours. Thanks!

APLMAN99 wrote:

It was a general question about WHEN the approach changed, not a statement that it shouldn't have changed.  Do you not think about anything that might...

It was a general question about WHEN the approach changed, not a statement that it shouldn't have changed.  

Do you not think about anything that might challenge your worldview in the slightest? 

R66 wrote:

Well I can tell you that the change came in America right after the country was founded. The first settlement was established with a form of...

Well I can tell you that the change came in America right after the country was founded. The first settlement was established with a form of socialism. It became obvious that it would not work because some people took advantage of the situation. Those that do not know history are destined to repeat it. 

avidchimp wrote:

It's not so much that I want to see the important social programs go away, it's the fraud, corruption and abuse by lazy and or opportunistic...

It's not so much that I want to see the important social programs go away, it's the fraud, corruption and abuse by lazy and or opportunistic people associated with those programs that needs to be weeded out.

Too many people, both rich and poor, absolutely rape the system. Some would say the fraud and abuse by the wealthy is far more prevalent than amongst the poor, it's just there are far more poor people to focus the negativity towards. Easier to make them the boogeymen.

Burn it all down and start over with clear guidelines and guardrails.

APLMAN99 wrote:

It's a bit of a tangent, but one interesting thing to ponder is when humans became individuals.  I don't mean singular persons in the literal sense...

It's a bit of a tangent, but one interesting thing to ponder is when humans became individuals.  I don't mean singular persons in the literal sense, but when did individual property rights become a concept.  For early humans to survive, it required a group to protect, produce, and nurture the young.  During that period it is only logical that 'the group' shared nearly everything and worked towards the common goal of survival.  We obviously don't have the same level of pressures to comingle our resources quite that drastically now, but it is intriguing to think about just when that switch started to take place.  

R66 wrote:

I guess I never will have to clean a filter, change a tire, or even own a dirt bike. I’ll just show up and ride yours...

I guess I never will have to clean a filter, change a tire, or even own a dirt bike. I’ll just show up and ride yours. Thanks!

avidchimp wrote:

It's not so much that I want to see the important social programs go away, it's the fraud, corruption and abuse by lazy and or opportunistic...

It's not so much that I want to see the important social programs go away, it's the fraud, corruption and abuse by lazy and or opportunistic people associated with those programs that needs to be weeded out.

Too many people, both rich and poor, absolutely rape the system. Some would say the fraud and abuse by the wealthy is far more prevalent than amongst the poor, it's just there are far more poor people to focus the negativity towards. Easier to make them the boogeymen.

Burn it all down and start over with clear guidelines and guardrails.

MoogenKen wrote:

As always, I appreciate your level headed posting. You can obviously see the forest through the trees…….

avidchimp wrote:

It's not so much that I want to see the important social programs go away, it's the fraud, corruption and abuse by lazy and or opportunistic...

It's not so much that I want to see the important social programs go away, it's the fraud, corruption and abuse by lazy and or opportunistic people associated with those programs that needs to be weeded out.

Too many people, both rich and poor, absolutely rape the system. Some would say the fraud and abuse by the wealthy is far more prevalent than amongst the poor, it's just there are far more poor people to focus the negativity towards. Easier to make them the boogeymen.

Burn it all down and start over with clear guidelines and guardrails.

MoogenKen wrote:

As always, I appreciate your level headed posting. You can obviously see the forest through the trees…….

soggy wrote:

I think everyone would agree we need to curtail waste and fraud. But why did doge actually cost us more money?  We have the hottest economy in...

I think everyone would agree we need to curtail waste and fraud. 

But why did doge actually cost us more money?  We have the hottest economy in the world and our government is apparently taking in trillions in tariffs, why is our national debt exploding. 

None of this stuff checks out. 

MoogenKen wrote:

As always, I appreciate your level headed posting. You can obviously see the forest through the trees…….

soggy wrote:

I think everyone would agree we need to curtail waste and fraud. But why did doge actually cost us more money?  We have the hottest economy in...

I think everyone would agree we need to curtail waste and fraud. 

But why did doge actually cost us more money?  We have the hottest economy in the world and our government is apparently taking in trillions in tariffs, why is our national debt exploding. 

None of this stuff checks out. 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

And the proposed budget for 2027 is , big surprise higher than 2026.   Its crazy to think that all the money that was spent during...

And the proposed budget for 2027 is , big surprise higher than 2026.   Its crazy to think that all the money that was spent during Covid, is less than what the government is spending today.   

 

I don't see why the budget didn't go down after all the Covid spending was stopped.  It doubled one year during Covid and has just kept going up since.  That seems messed up. 

soggy wrote:

I think everyone would agree we need to curtail waste and fraud. But why did doge actually cost us more money?  We have the hottest economy in...

I think everyone would agree we need to curtail waste and fraud. 

But why did doge actually cost us more money?  We have the hottest economy in the world and our government is apparently taking in trillions in tariffs, why is our national debt exploding. 

None of this stuff checks out. 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

And the proposed budget for 2027 is , big surprise higher than 2026.   Its crazy to think that all the money that was spent during...

And the proposed budget for 2027 is , big surprise higher than 2026.   Its crazy to think that all the money that was spent during Covid, is less than what the government is spending today.   

 

I don't see why the budget didn't go down after all the Covid spending was stopped.  It doubled one year during Covid and has just kept going up since.  That seems messed up. 

soggy wrote:

These are inconvenient truths that don’t fit whatever they are trying to sell. 

soggy wrote:

I think everyone would agree we need to curtail waste and fraud. But why did doge actually cost us more money?  We have the hottest economy in...

I think everyone would agree we need to curtail waste and fraud. 

But why did doge actually cost us more money?  We have the hottest economy in the world and our government is apparently taking in trillions in tariffs, why is our national debt exploding. 

None of this stuff checks out. 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

And the proposed budget for 2027 is , big surprise higher than 2026.   Its crazy to think that all the money that was spent during...

And the proposed budget for 2027 is , big surprise higher than 2026.   Its crazy to think that all the money that was spent during Covid, is less than what the government is spending today.   

 

I don't see why the budget didn't go down after all the Covid spending was stopped.  It doubled one year during Covid and has just kept going up since.  That seems messed up. 

soggy wrote:

These are inconvenient truths that don’t fit whatever they are trying to sell.