Israel hits Iran

Joey Bridges wrote:

So...Does the white smoke over tehran mean they have a new ayatollah  ???

So...

Does the white smoke over tehran mean they have a new ayatollah  ???

MXMattii wrote:

Netanyahu spents already 33 years warning an Iran nuke is ‘imminent’Hes crying the ‘bomb’ is comin for more than 30 years with no proof! The so-called...

Netanyahu spents already 33 years warning an Iran nuke is ‘imminent’

Hes crying the ‘bomb’ is comin for more than 30 years with no proof! The so-called best secret service, the Mossad has NO PROOF. This making that the UN disagrees on the claim that the bomb is coming, but Isreal uses this ageing pretext to justify its ongoing attacks on Iran...

If you keep yelling that the bomb is coming for 33 year, you ain't trustworthy anymore. Officially has Iran no Nuclear weapons program, only a nuclear program for power and medical use.

But follow blindly a liar, make America once again a laughing stock and aggressor and Iraq will be repeated, and we all know that they didn't had mass destruction weapons either. They didn't had a bomb either.

TXDirt wrote:

You seriously think yelling “Netanyahu cried wolf” for 30 years proves Iran’s nuclear threat is fake? That’s not analysis — that’s willful ignorance. The only reason...

You seriously think yelling “Netanyahu cried wolf” for 30 years proves Iran’s nuclear threat is fake? That’s not analysis — that’s willful ignorance. The only reason Iran doesn’t have a nuke right now is because Israel — particularly the Mossad — has repeatedly exposed and disrupted its covert nuclear ambitions. You don’t get to mock that vigilance just because the threat hasn’t exploded in your face yet.

Let’s talk receipts:

2009 – Natanz Centrifuge Sabotage: Ever heard of Stuxnet? A cyberweapon developed by Israel and the U.S. that physically crippled Iran’s nuclear centrifuges. That wasn't fearmongering — that was surgical prevention of a weapons-grade enrichment breakthrough.

2018 – Mossad’s Tehran Heist: Israeli operatives literally broke into a secret warehouse in Tehran and stole half a ton of documents proving Iran had a clandestine nuclear weapons program — “Project Amad.” These weren’t PowerPoint slides. These were blueprints, timelines, and weapon designs. You can thank Mossad for dragging that truth into the daylight.

2020 – Assassination of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh: Iran’s top nuclear scientist, long identified as the architect of their bomb program, was taken out in a sophisticated strike. If Iran’s nuclear program is peaceful, why was it being run by a military general under tight secrecy?

And no — the UN not officially labeling Iran’s nuclear program as a weapons project doesn’t mean squat. The IAEA has been stonewalled, denied access, and lied to repeatedly. You don’t get transparency from dictatorships — you get deception.

So either you’re historically illiterate, shockingly naïve, or just grinding an anti-Israel axe. But don’t insult people’s intelligence by acting like Israel’s concern is fake while Iran builds missiles and funds terror across the region. You're not challenging power — you're running interference for tyrants.

MXMattii wrote:

1. Stuxnet Didn’t “Wipe Out” Iran’s Bomb Drive—It Was a Stopgap   • Yes, in 2009–10 the Stuxnet worm caused unexpected centrifuge failures at Natanz. But Iran...

1. Stuxnet Didn’t “Wipe Out” Iran’s Bomb Drive—It Was a Stopgap  
 • Yes, in 2009–10 the Stuxnet worm caused unexpected centrifuge failures at Natanz. But Iran rapidly replaced damaged IR-1 machines and went on to deploy more advanced IR-2m and IR-4 centrifuges within months. In other words, the attack was tactical, not strategic; it delayed, it didn’t derail.  
 • Crucially, when independent observers (like the IAEA) later reviewed Iran’s stockpile and facilities, they found no evidence that Stuxnet permanently set back any declared enrichment capacity or barred Iran from resuming its civilian programme.  

2. The 2018 Document Seizure Exposed Past Ambitions, Not a Live Weapons Effort  
 • Mossad’s archive haul in Tehran certainly underscored that Iran studied bomb design (the Amad Project) around 1999–2003. But even Netanyahu’s own presentation didn’t show any evidence that Amad ever resumed after 2003—and that’s exactly what the IAEA concluded when it closed the so-called “possible military dimensions” files in late 2015.
 • Everyone agrees Iran once toyed with weaponization. What remains unproven is any post-deal revival of that work. You can’t conflate a dead-end program from two decades ago with proof of a live bomb drive today.  

3. Fakhrizadeh’s Killing Was a Political Message, Not Proof of Active Bomb-Building  
 • Assassinating Mohsen Fakhrizadeh sent a crystal-clear deterrent signal. It does not, however, confirm that he was actively fabricating a warhead on the day he died. He was a trained nuclear physicist who had once led Amad—but many of those same scientists were folded back into peaceful research roles after 2003.  
 • Independent analyses of Iran’s enrichment levels (now capped below weapons-grade, under increased IAEA monitoring) show plenty of civilian justification: medical isotopes and power generation. No new plutonium-production or untrammeled weapons R&D has been verified.  

4. The IAEA Remains the Sole Credible Arbiter—and It Sees No Live Bomb Work  
 • The UN’s nuclear watchdog inspects Iran more intensively than any other non-nuclear-weapon state. Its repeated findings, backed up by environmental swipes and snap-inspections, have never confirmed a covert warhead build-up since 2003.  
 • Even after the 2018 archive revelations, the IAEA closed that chapter in 2015 and has focused on uranium quantities, centrifuge numbers and declared facilities—in each case reaffirming that Iran’s declared programme stays within civilian bounds.  

5. Suspicion Alone Isn’t Proof—and it Drives Arms Races  
 • Continually citing “what if” scenarios creates a perpetual pretext for sabotage and hits. Real nuclear-weapons proliferation treaties rely on open inspections, transparency and legal limits—not perpetual covert warfare.  
 • If every centrifuge hiccup or stolen document automatically meant “it’s a bomb,” no government would ever trust the NPT inspection regime again—and the region’s slide toward competitive weapons programs would only accelerate.

Bottom line: none of Israel’s top-secret operations delivers a smoking-gun of a present-day bomb-making factory. They underscore why durable solutions require diplomacy, inspections and enforceable limits—rather than headline-grabbing assassinations and hacks that, by their very nature, leave the critical question (Is Iran truly weaponizing right now?) officially—and independently—unanswered.

Belgium and the Netherlands both operate world-class nuclear R&D infrastructures—just as Israel, Iran and the U.S. do.  

Belgium
- The Belgian Nuclear Research Centre (SCK CEN) in Mol (Antwerp province) has driven civilian reactor physics and radioisotope work since 1952. Its installations include:  
 • BR1, BR2 and VENUS research reactors for neutron-beam science and medical isotope production  
 • BR3, Europe’s first PWR to be fully dismantled (now a decommissioning testbed)  
 • HADES, a 225 m-deep underground lab studying geological waste disposal  
 • LHMA hot-cell labs for handling high-activity materials  
 • MYRRHA, an upcoming accelerator-driven system for transmutation and isotope R&D  

- Beyond SCK CEN, Belgium hosts:  
 • JRC-Geel, the EU’s metrology, neutron-physics and isotopic-analysis hub  
 • IRE in Fleurus, a major producer of medical radioisotopes (molybdenum-99, lutetium-177, etc.)  
 • A nuclear-engineering master’s consortium (BNEN) linking six universities and SCK CEN  

The Netherlands  
- Reactor Institute Delft (RID) at TU Delft runs a 2 MW pool-type “Hoger Onderwijs Reactor” for neutron- and positron-beam experiments, materials testing and training.  
- At Petten’s Energy & Health Campus (operated by NRG), the High Flux Reactor (HFR, 45 MW) supplies up to 65 % of the world’s molybdenum-99 and underpins R&D into advanced fuels and structural materials. Hot-cell labs there handle medical-isotope processing and waste-characterization.  
- The Energy Research Centre of the Netherlands (ECN) develops sustainable nuclear technologies—small modular reactors, waste transmutation, advanced fuels—across multiple sites (Petten, Amsterdam, Eindhoven).  

So when you point at covert ops in Iran or sabotage campaigns, remember: open, transparent civilian programmes of similar or greater scale exist right here in Western Europe.

TXDirt wrote:

You seriously think yelling “Netanyahu cried wolf” for 30 years proves Iran’s nuclear threat is fake? That’s not analysis — that’s willful ignorance. The only reason...

You seriously think yelling “Netanyahu cried wolf” for 30 years proves Iran’s nuclear threat is fake? That’s not analysis — that’s willful ignorance. The only reason Iran doesn’t have a nuke right now is because Israel — particularly the Mossad — has repeatedly exposed and disrupted its covert nuclear ambitions. You don’t get to mock that vigilance just because the threat hasn’t exploded in your face yet.

Let’s talk receipts:

2009 – Natanz Centrifuge Sabotage: Ever heard of Stuxnet? A cyberweapon developed by Israel and the U.S. that physically crippled Iran’s nuclear centrifuges. That wasn't fearmongering — that was surgical prevention of a weapons-grade enrichment breakthrough.

2018 – Mossad’s Tehran Heist: Israeli operatives literally broke into a secret warehouse in Tehran and stole half a ton of documents proving Iran had a clandestine nuclear weapons program — “Project Amad.” These weren’t PowerPoint slides. These were blueprints, timelines, and weapon designs. You can thank Mossad for dragging that truth into the daylight.

2020 – Assassination of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh: Iran’s top nuclear scientist, long identified as the architect of their bomb program, was taken out in a sophisticated strike. If Iran’s nuclear program is peaceful, why was it being run by a military general under tight secrecy?

And no — the UN not officially labeling Iran’s nuclear program as a weapons project doesn’t mean squat. The IAEA has been stonewalled, denied access, and lied to repeatedly. You don’t get transparency from dictatorships — you get deception.

So either you’re historically illiterate, shockingly naïve, or just grinding an anti-Israel axe. But don’t insult people’s intelligence by acting like Israel’s concern is fake while Iran builds missiles and funds terror across the region. You're not challenging power — you're running interference for tyrants.

MXMattii wrote:

1. Stuxnet Didn’t “Wipe Out” Iran’s Bomb Drive—It Was a Stopgap   • Yes, in 2009–10 the Stuxnet worm caused unexpected centrifuge failures at Natanz. But Iran...

1. Stuxnet Didn’t “Wipe Out” Iran’s Bomb Drive—It Was a Stopgap  
 • Yes, in 2009–10 the Stuxnet worm caused unexpected centrifuge failures at Natanz. But Iran rapidly replaced damaged IR-1 machines and went on to deploy more advanced IR-2m and IR-4 centrifuges within months. In other words, the attack was tactical, not strategic; it delayed, it didn’t derail.  
 • Crucially, when independent observers (like the IAEA) later reviewed Iran’s stockpile and facilities, they found no evidence that Stuxnet permanently set back any declared enrichment capacity or barred Iran from resuming its civilian programme.  

2. The 2018 Document Seizure Exposed Past Ambitions, Not a Live Weapons Effort  
 • Mossad’s archive haul in Tehran certainly underscored that Iran studied bomb design (the Amad Project) around 1999–2003. But even Netanyahu’s own presentation didn’t show any evidence that Amad ever resumed after 2003—and that’s exactly what the IAEA concluded when it closed the so-called “possible military dimensions” files in late 2015.
 • Everyone agrees Iran once toyed with weaponization. What remains unproven is any post-deal revival of that work. You can’t conflate a dead-end program from two decades ago with proof of a live bomb drive today.  

3. Fakhrizadeh’s Killing Was a Political Message, Not Proof of Active Bomb-Building  
 • Assassinating Mohsen Fakhrizadeh sent a crystal-clear deterrent signal. It does not, however, confirm that he was actively fabricating a warhead on the day he died. He was a trained nuclear physicist who had once led Amad—but many of those same scientists were folded back into peaceful research roles after 2003.  
 • Independent analyses of Iran’s enrichment levels (now capped below weapons-grade, under increased IAEA monitoring) show plenty of civilian justification: medical isotopes and power generation. No new plutonium-production or untrammeled weapons R&D has been verified.  

4. The IAEA Remains the Sole Credible Arbiter—and It Sees No Live Bomb Work  
 • The UN’s nuclear watchdog inspects Iran more intensively than any other non-nuclear-weapon state. Its repeated findings, backed up by environmental swipes and snap-inspections, have never confirmed a covert warhead build-up since 2003.  
 • Even after the 2018 archive revelations, the IAEA closed that chapter in 2015 and has focused on uranium quantities, centrifuge numbers and declared facilities—in each case reaffirming that Iran’s declared programme stays within civilian bounds.  

5. Suspicion Alone Isn’t Proof—and it Drives Arms Races  
 • Continually citing “what if” scenarios creates a perpetual pretext for sabotage and hits. Real nuclear-weapons proliferation treaties rely on open inspections, transparency and legal limits—not perpetual covert warfare.  
 • If every centrifuge hiccup or stolen document automatically meant “it’s a bomb,” no government would ever trust the NPT inspection regime again—and the region’s slide toward competitive weapons programs would only accelerate.

Bottom line: none of Israel’s top-secret operations delivers a smoking-gun of a present-day bomb-making factory. They underscore why durable solutions require diplomacy, inspections and enforceable limits—rather than headline-grabbing assassinations and hacks that, by their very nature, leave the critical question (Is Iran truly weaponizing right now?) officially—and independently—unanswered.

Belgium and the Netherlands both operate world-class nuclear R&D infrastructures—just as Israel, Iran and the U.S. do.  

Belgium
- The Belgian Nuclear Research Centre (SCK CEN) in Mol (Antwerp province) has driven civilian reactor physics and radioisotope work since 1952. Its installations include:  
 • BR1, BR2 and VENUS research reactors for neutron-beam science and medical isotope production  
 • BR3, Europe’s first PWR to be fully dismantled (now a decommissioning testbed)  
 • HADES, a 225 m-deep underground lab studying geological waste disposal  
 • LHMA hot-cell labs for handling high-activity materials  
 • MYRRHA, an upcoming accelerator-driven system for transmutation and isotope R&D  

- Beyond SCK CEN, Belgium hosts:  
 • JRC-Geel, the EU’s metrology, neutron-physics and isotopic-analysis hub  
 • IRE in Fleurus, a major producer of medical radioisotopes (molybdenum-99, lutetium-177, etc.)  
 • A nuclear-engineering master’s consortium (BNEN) linking six universities and SCK CEN  

The Netherlands  
- Reactor Institute Delft (RID) at TU Delft runs a 2 MW pool-type “Hoger Onderwijs Reactor” for neutron- and positron-beam experiments, materials testing and training.  
- At Petten’s Energy & Health Campus (operated by NRG), the High Flux Reactor (HFR, 45 MW) supplies up to 65 % of the world’s molybdenum-99 and underpins R&D into advanced fuels and structural materials. Hot-cell labs there handle medical-isotope processing and waste-characterization.  
- The Energy Research Centre of the Netherlands (ECN) develops sustainable nuclear technologies—small modular reactors, waste transmutation, advanced fuels—across multiple sites (Petten, Amsterdam, Eindhoven).  

So when you point at covert ops in Iran or sabotage campaigns, remember: open, transparent civilian programmes of similar or greater scale exist right here in Western Europe.

TXDirt wrote:

You’ve written a long, polished attempt to sound informed, but underneath the veneer is the same tired agenda: minimize Iran’s threats, delegitimize Israel’s right to act...

You’ve written a long, polished attempt to sound informed, but underneath the veneer is the same tired agenda: minimize Iran’s threats, delegitimize Israel’s right to act, and dress up appeasement as intellect.

Let’s start with the facts you conveniently leave out:

1. Stuxnet wasn’t just “tactical.”
It set back Iran’s enrichment timeline by years, destroyed roughly 1,000 centrifuges, and forced Iran to overhaul its cyber defense and nuclear infrastructure. The only reason Iran “recovered” is because it received billions in sanctions reliefunder the JCPOA, which it promptly used to expand not only its nuclear program but also its ballistic missile arsenal and terror proxies across the Middle East.

2. The Mossad’s 2018 raid was a smoking gun.
It uncovered 55,000 pages and 183 CDs of Iran’s nuclear weapons program — designs for a warhead, plans for missile re-entry vehicles, test site blueprints. This wasn’t “historic curiosity.” It was an intentional concealment of weapons-relevant research — undisclosed to the IAEA in violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and the JCPOA. Iran never came clean. That’s a breach.

3. Fakhrizadeh wasn’t some retired academic.
He was still actively leading SPND, the covert successor to Iran’s Amad weapons project, as confirmed by Western intelligence and referenced in IAEA reports. The idea that he was just tinkering with medical research is laughable. The IAEA itself demanded access to undeclared sites tied to SPND and was stonewalled for years. Fakhrizadeh was the architect of weaponization — and he didn’t get assassinated for teaching physics.

4. The IAEA is not a magic shield.
You act like its reports are infallible. In reality, the IAEA’s access to Iranian sites has been repeatedly restricted, cameras removed, inspectors barred, and undeclared nuclear particles found at multiple covert sites. In 2023 alone, the IAEA confirmed Iran enriched uranium to 83.7% — just short of weapons-grade. That’s not for “medical isotopes.” That’s a deliberate test of red lines.

5. Civilian comparison to Belgium and the Netherlands is ridiculous.
Neither of those countries is enriching uranium near weapons-grade, hiding weapon blueprints, lying about test sites, building underground bunkers, or threatening to “wipe another country off the map.” Iran is. You can’t seriously compare the Belgian Nuclear Research Centre to a regime that funds Hezbollah, backs the Houthis, arms Hamas, and props up Assad. That’s not analysis — that’s propaganda.

And the biggest lie of all? That Israel’s actions are “headlines” while diplomacy is the only real answer. Israel’s covert operations have exposed lies, slowed enrichment, crippled key personnel, and delayed a potential regional nuclear arms race — while the diplomatic community clings to a broken deal Iran has never respected.

You’re not an objective observer. You’re a well-spoken apologist for a regime with a documented record of hiding nuclear activity, exporting terror, and chanting for genocide — while holding Israel to standards no other nation faces.

This isn’t about policy. It’s about clarity. Israel isn’t bombing for headlines. It’s acting in the vacuum created by years of cowardice and denial from exactly the kind of narrative you’re pushing. And everyone paying attention sees it.

Joey Bridges wrote:

So...Does the white smoke over tehran mean they have a new ayatollah  ???

So...

Does the white smoke over tehran mean they have a new ayatollah  ???

Joey Bridges wrote:

So...Does the white smoke over tehran mean they have a new ayatollah  ???

So...

Does the white smoke over tehran mean they have a new ayatollah  ???

TeamGreen wrote:

Reminds me of a Pat Travers song. 

truck wrote:

Indiscriminately sounds a lot like ignorantly here..... you seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between offense and defense..... which side would be content...

Indiscriminately sounds a lot like ignorantly here..... you seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between offense and defense..... which side would be content to never fight another one of these wars and which one has stated over and over again that they desire to continue doing this until one side is totally eliminated......

The moral false equivalency on this issue blows me away. 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sam-harris-the-bright-line-betwee…

phillipmccavity wrote:

Iraq again hey., but 10x worse sounds good. Did they find those WMD’s yet. Ignorant. No im well aware. Offense and defense… Bibi has sure muddled that shit...

Iraq again hey., but 10x worse sounds good. Did they find those WMD’s yet. 
Ignorant. No im well aware. 
Offense and defense… Bibi has sure muddled that shit up. Bombing for peace Bombing for peace

 

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

So, Iran is NOT enriching uranium to try and make nuclear weapons?

Is that what we're saying now?

Joey Bridges wrote:

So...Does the white smoke over tehran mean they have a new ayatollah  ???

So...

Does the white smoke over tehran mean they have a new ayatollah  ???

TeamGreen wrote:

Reminds me of a Pat Travers song. 

Joey Bridges wrote:

Boom, boom, out...

TeamGreen wrote:

Reminds me of a Pat Travers song. 

Joey Bridges wrote:

Boom, boom, out...

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Boom, boom, LET ME HEAR IT! out...

 

Just a small addition, Joey.

TeamGreen wrote:

Reminds me of a Pat Travers song. 

Joey Bridges wrote:

Boom, boom, out...

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Boom, boom, LET ME HEAR IT! out...

 

Just a small addition, Joey.

Joey Bridges wrote:

Boom, boom, out...

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Boom, boom, LET ME HEAR IT! out...

 

Just a small addition, Joey.

Joey Bridges wrote:

The live version is the best. 

Joey Bridges wrote:

Boom, boom, out...

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Boom, boom, LET ME HEAR IT! out...

 

Just a small addition, Joey.

LoudLove wrote:

phillipmccavity wrote:

I despise all evil murderous regimes and religions. Indiscriminately i do. But if you want to assume you know me. Go for it.  To deny that Bibi...

I despise all evil murderous regimes and religions. Indiscriminately i do. 
But if you want to assume you know me. Go for it.  
To deny that Bibi isnt deserving of being mentioned with Stalin, Pol Pot, Suharto etc is mental. 


 

truck wrote:

Indiscriminately sounds a lot like ignorantly here..... you seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between offense and defense..... which side would be content...

Indiscriminately sounds a lot like ignorantly here..... you seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between offense and defense..... which side would be content to never fight another one of these wars and which one has stated over and over again that they desire to continue doing this until one side is totally eliminated......

The moral false equivalency on this issue blows me away. 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sam-harris-the-bright-line-betwee…

TeamGreen wrote:

Just let him…let them…spew their ignorance for all to see.In the end…they are just the Useful Idiots…and they live to hate. Especially The Jews…it seems...

Just let him…let them…spew their ignorance for all to see.

In the end…they are just the Useful Idiots…and they live to hate. Especially The Jews…it seems they love to really hate on them. 

No worries…from the streets of L.A. to the college campuses of NYC…we see them for what they are.

Haters 

 

truck wrote:

Indiscriminately sounds a lot like ignorantly here..... you seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between offense and defense..... which side would be content...

Indiscriminately sounds a lot like ignorantly here..... you seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between offense and defense..... which side would be content to never fight another one of these wars and which one has stated over and over again that they desire to continue doing this until one side is totally eliminated......

The moral false equivalency on this issue blows me away. 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sam-harris-the-bright-line-betwee…

TeamGreen wrote:

Just let him…let them…spew their ignorance for all to see.In the end…they are just the Useful Idiots…and they live to hate. Especially The Jews…it seems...

Just let him…let them…spew their ignorance for all to see.

In the end…they are just the Useful Idiots…and they live to hate. Especially The Jews…it seems they love to really hate on them. 

No worries…from the streets of L.A. to the college campuses of NYC…we see them for what they are.

Haters 

 

phillipmccavity wrote:

TG i dont celebrate anyone getting bombed. But many here do. And they are all the hard right whackjobs. That right there is the hatred LA to NY. To...

TG i dont celebrate anyone getting bombed. 
But many here do. And they are all the hard right whackjobs. 
That right there is the hatred LA to NY. 

To add more what kind of Whacko loves people being shredded to unidentifiable meat?

My father served as a machine gunner in Vietnam. Saw close contact on multiple occasions. You heard firsthand stories of what M60’s do to NVA soldiers, or AK’s inversely. Now imagine what bombs do to 0-13 yr old Children in their homes. I can unfortunately. 
This isn’t a necessary WW2. This can be avoided. 
 

TXDirt wrote:

You’ve written a long, polished attempt to sound informed, but underneath the veneer is the same tired agenda: minimize Iran’s threats, delegitimize Israel’s right to act...

You’ve written a long, polished attempt to sound informed, but underneath the veneer is the same tired agenda: minimize Iran’s threats, delegitimize Israel’s right to act, and dress up appeasement as intellect.

Let’s start with the facts you conveniently leave out:

1. Stuxnet wasn’t just “tactical.”
It set back Iran’s enrichment timeline by years, destroyed roughly 1,000 centrifuges, and forced Iran to overhaul its cyber defense and nuclear infrastructure. The only reason Iran “recovered” is because it received billions in sanctions reliefunder the JCPOA, which it promptly used to expand not only its nuclear program but also its ballistic missile arsenal and terror proxies across the Middle East.

2. The Mossad’s 2018 raid was a smoking gun.
It uncovered 55,000 pages and 183 CDs of Iran’s nuclear weapons program — designs for a warhead, plans for missile re-entry vehicles, test site blueprints. This wasn’t “historic curiosity.” It was an intentional concealment of weapons-relevant research — undisclosed to the IAEA in violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and the JCPOA. Iran never came clean. That’s a breach.

3. Fakhrizadeh wasn’t some retired academic.
He was still actively leading SPND, the covert successor to Iran’s Amad weapons project, as confirmed by Western intelligence and referenced in IAEA reports. The idea that he was just tinkering with medical research is laughable. The IAEA itself demanded access to undeclared sites tied to SPND and was stonewalled for years. Fakhrizadeh was the architect of weaponization — and he didn’t get assassinated for teaching physics.

4. The IAEA is not a magic shield.
You act like its reports are infallible. In reality, the IAEA’s access to Iranian sites has been repeatedly restricted, cameras removed, inspectors barred, and undeclared nuclear particles found at multiple covert sites. In 2023 alone, the IAEA confirmed Iran enriched uranium to 83.7% — just short of weapons-grade. That’s not for “medical isotopes.” That’s a deliberate test of red lines.

5. Civilian comparison to Belgium and the Netherlands is ridiculous.
Neither of those countries is enriching uranium near weapons-grade, hiding weapon blueprints, lying about test sites, building underground bunkers, or threatening to “wipe another country off the map.” Iran is. You can’t seriously compare the Belgian Nuclear Research Centre to a regime that funds Hezbollah, backs the Houthis, arms Hamas, and props up Assad. That’s not analysis — that’s propaganda.

And the biggest lie of all? That Israel’s actions are “headlines” while diplomacy is the only real answer. Israel’s covert operations have exposed lies, slowed enrichment, crippled key personnel, and delayed a potential regional nuclear arms race — while the diplomatic community clings to a broken deal Iran has never respected.

You’re not an objective observer. You’re a well-spoken apologist for a regime with a documented record of hiding nuclear activity, exporting terror, and chanting for genocide — while holding Israel to standards no other nation faces.

This isn’t about policy. It’s about clarity. Israel isn’t bombing for headlines. It’s acting in the vacuum created by years of cowardice and denial from exactly the kind of narrative you’re pushing. And everyone paying attention sees it.

phillipmccavity wrote:

TG i dont celebrate anyone getting bombed. But many here do. And they are all the hard right whackjobs. That right there is the hatred LA to NY. To...

TG i dont celebrate anyone getting bombed. 
But many here do. And they are all the hard right whackjobs. 
That right there is the hatred LA to NY. 

To add more what kind of Whacko loves people being shredded to unidentifiable meat?

My father served as a machine gunner in Vietnam. Saw close contact on multiple occasions. You heard firsthand stories of what M60’s do to NVA soldiers, or AK’s inversely. Now imagine what bombs do to 0-13 yr old Children in their homes. I can unfortunately. 
This isn’t a necessary WW2. This can be avoided. 
 

truck wrote:

Indiscriminately sounds a lot like ignorantly here..... you seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between offense and defense..... which side would be content...

Indiscriminately sounds a lot like ignorantly here..... you seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between offense and defense..... which side would be content to never fight another one of these wars and which one has stated over and over again that they desire to continue doing this until one side is totally eliminated......

The moral false equivalency on this issue blows me away. 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sam-harris-the-bright-line-betwee…

TeamGreen wrote:

Just let him…let them…spew their ignorance for all to see.In the end…they are just the Useful Idiots…and they live to hate. Especially The Jews…it seems...

Just let him…let them…spew their ignorance for all to see.

In the end…they are just the Useful Idiots…and they live to hate. Especially The Jews…it seems they love to really hate on them. 

No worries…from the streets of L.A. to the college campuses of NYC…we see them for what they are.

Haters 

 

phillipmccavity wrote:

TG i dont celebrate anyone getting bombed. But many here do. And they are all the hard right whackjobs. That right there is the hatred LA to NY. To...

TG i dont celebrate anyone getting bombed. 
But many here do. And they are all the hard right whackjobs. 
That right there is the hatred LA to NY. 

To add more what kind of Whacko loves people being shredded to unidentifiable meat?

My father served as a machine gunner in Vietnam. Saw close contact on multiple occasions. You heard firsthand stories of what M60’s do to NVA soldiers, or AK’s inversely. Now imagine what bombs do to 0-13 yr old Children in their homes. I can unfortunately. 
This isn’t a necessary WW2. This can be avoided. 
 

EVH4Ever wrote:

Fatti,

He completely obliterated your personal theories, rhetoric, and outright fallacies and you responded as predicted. With nothing of substance. 

Have another bratwurst and relax.

truck wrote:

Indiscriminately sounds a lot like ignorantly here..... you seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between offense and defense..... which side would be content...

Indiscriminately sounds a lot like ignorantly here..... you seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between offense and defense..... which side would be content to never fight another one of these wars and which one has stated over and over again that they desire to continue doing this until one side is totally eliminated......

The moral false equivalency on this issue blows me away. 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sam-harris-the-bright-line-betwee…

TeamGreen wrote:

Just let him…let them…spew their ignorance for all to see.In the end…they are just the Useful Idiots…and they live to hate. Especially The Jews…it seems...

Just let him…let them…spew their ignorance for all to see.

In the end…they are just the Useful Idiots…and they live to hate. Especially The Jews…it seems they love to really hate on them. 

No worries…from the streets of L.A. to the college campuses of NYC…we see them for what they are.

Haters 

 

phillipmccavity wrote:

TG i dont celebrate anyone getting bombed. But many here do. And they are all the hard right whackjobs. That right there is the hatred LA to NY. To...

TG i dont celebrate anyone getting bombed. 
But many here do. And they are all the hard right whackjobs. 
That right there is the hatred LA to NY. 

To add more what kind of Whacko loves people being shredded to unidentifiable meat?

My father served as a machine gunner in Vietnam. Saw close contact on multiple occasions. You heard firsthand stories of what M60’s do to NVA soldiers, or AK’s inversely. Now imagine what bombs do to 0-13 yr old Children in their homes. I can unfortunately. 
This isn’t a necessary WW2. This can be avoided. 
 

phillipmccavity wrote:

TG i dont celebrate anyone getting bombed. But many here do. And they are all the hard right whackjobs. That right there is the hatred LA to NY. To...

TG i dont celebrate anyone getting bombed. 
But many here do. And they are all the hard right whackjobs. 
That right there is the hatred LA to NY. 

To add more what kind of Whacko loves people being shredded to unidentifiable meat?

My father served as a machine gunner in Vietnam. Saw close contact on multiple occasions. You heard firsthand stories of what M60’s do to NVA soldiers, or AK’s inversely. Now imagine what bombs do to 0-13 yr old Children in their homes. I can unfortunately. 
This isn’t a necessary WW2. This can be avoided. 
 

akillerwombat wrote:

I never thought we'd agree on anything but as a human, as an American, and as of someone with jewish blood... I too am disgusted by...

I never thought we'd agree on anything but as a human, as an American, and as of someone with jewish blood... I too am disgusted by the glee and subsequent justification of said glee.

EVH4Ever wrote:

Fatti,

He completely obliterated your personal theories, rhetoric, and outright fallacies and you responded as predicted. With nothing of substance. 

Have another bratwurst and relax.

MXMattii wrote:

Emotional Vulnerable Hothead 4 Ever,Look at the posts I make and the posts you make and say again I do it with nothing of substance. Also...

Emotional Vulnerable Hothead 4 Ever,

Look at the posts I make and the posts you make and say again I do it with nothing of substance. Also the fact that you think that Belgians eat bratwurst makes the picture of you as hilarious fool complete. Your parents are probably very proud that you know that the Belgian flag and the German flag has the same colors. That you mix-up their foods is something they probably can forgive you, they never thought you would come this far.

MXMattii wrote:

🤣The core Iran nuclear agreement—the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)—was finalized and formally announced in Vienna on July 14, 2015. While the deal remained in...

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The core Iran nuclear agreement—the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)—was finalized and formally announced in Vienna on July 14, 2015. While the deal remained in place through 2016–17, the Trump White House signaled its intent to tear it up late in 2017. On October 13, 2017, President Trump refused to recertify Iran’s compliance under U.S. law, and on May 8, 2018, he officially withdrew the United States from the JCPOA.

The administration’s rationale was that the deal “did not go far enough”—criticisms included its sunset clauses (which allow key restrictions to expire after 10–15 years), insufficient limits on Iran’s ballistic‐missile program, gaps in the inspection regime, and failure to curb Tehran’s regional “malign” activities. Trump also cast it as a flawed legacy of his predecessor that he could renegotiate on tougher terms.

TXDirt wrote:

Spare the dramatic hand-wringing. No one is gleeful about war — but some of us are damn tired of watching our people slaughtered while the world...

Spare the dramatic hand-wringing. No one is gleeful about war — but some of us are damn tired of watching our people slaughtered while the world lectures us about “restraint.” If you have Jewish blood, then you should understand this better than most: Jews don’t dance in the streets when civilians die — our enemies do. We bury our dead and brace for the next attack.

You’re “disgusted” not by the massacre of Jews — but by the fact that some people refuse to react with meek silence and forced guilt. That says a lot. Maybe what you’re actually uncomfortable with is the fact that Jews aren’t apologizing for finally fighting back — and fighting to win.

No one owes you emotional performance. This isn’t about glee. It’s about survival — something you should understand if you truly meant a word of what you just said.

So if this is your idea of empathy, save it. It's coated in condescension and delivered from a place of safety you never earned.

MXMattii wrote:

Emotional Vulnerable Hothead 4 Ever,Look at the posts I make and the posts you make and say again I do it with nothing of substance. Also...

Emotional Vulnerable Hothead 4 Ever,

Look at the posts I make and the posts you make and say again I do it with nothing of substance. Also the fact that you think that Belgians eat bratwurst makes the picture of you as hilarious fool complete. Your parents are probably very proud that you know that the Belgian flag and the German flag has the same colors. That you mix-up their foods is something they probably can forgive you, they never thought you would come this far.

TXDirt wrote:

Spare the dramatic hand-wringing. No one is gleeful about war — but some of us are damn tired of watching our people slaughtered while the world...

Spare the dramatic hand-wringing. No one is gleeful about war — but some of us are damn tired of watching our people slaughtered while the world lectures us about “restraint.” If you have Jewish blood, then you should understand this better than most: Jews don’t dance in the streets when civilians die — our enemies do. We bury our dead and brace for the next attack.

You’re “disgusted” not by the massacre of Jews — but by the fact that some people refuse to react with meek silence and forced guilt. That says a lot. Maybe what you’re actually uncomfortable with is the fact that Jews aren’t apologizing for finally fighting back — and fighting to win.

No one owes you emotional performance. This isn’t about glee. It’s about survival — something you should understand if you truly meant a word of what you just said.

So if this is your idea of empathy, save it. It's coated in condescension and delivered from a place of safety you never earned.