When was the last time the AMA did this???

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9/10/2010 5:19am
oldAFI wrote:
Fact: If you don't have a cheater bike or take HGH you can't do well in pro moto, but most riders are Christians and since the...
Fact: If you don't have a cheater bike or take HGH you can't do well in pro moto, but most riders are Christians and since the Bible doesn't say shit about cheater bikes or HGH, it's all to the good Smile
I had to finally sign up for this place just to say... That is some funny sh!t!

9/10/2010 5:39am
you can hear big bore 250f's is your standing on the line next to them at a pro national.. you can hear that piston thumping just a little bit depper sound, the throttle snappyness is a little quicker and it just barks!
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9/10/2010 5:55am
That is a good topic!! I know for a fact that there are some cheater bikes in the 250 calss and 450!!!
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9/10/2010 6:24am
Holigan wrote:
One of the things NASCAR does right is check the engines on the top five finishers after every race. It does not stop all cheating, but...
One of the things NASCAR does right is check the engines on the top five finishers after every race. It does not stop all cheating, but it sure helps. Love to see that in SX/MX.
"T-BONE" wrote:
This is what im getting at. Why has our sport gone years without something like this in effect. If we want better racing between 40 riders...
This is what im getting at. Why has our sport gone years without something like this in effect. If we want better racing between 40 riders its going to take something like this to happen. Its gone this long because everyone is getting away with it.
really a lose-lose for everyone.

top riders get a black eye as well as the sport

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9/10/2010 6:31am
sesker15 wrote:
That is a good topic!! I know for a fact that there are some cheater bikes in the 250 calss and 450!!!
Prove it.
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9/10/2010 6:43am
Holigan wrote:
One of the things NASCAR does right is check the engines on the top five finishers after every race. It does not stop all cheating, but...
One of the things NASCAR does right is check the engines on the top five finishers after every race. It does not stop all cheating, but it sure helps. Love to see that in SX/MX.
"T-BONE" wrote:
This is what im getting at. Why has our sport gone years without something like this in effect. If we want better racing between 40 riders...
This is what im getting at. Why has our sport gone years without something like this in effect. If we want better racing between 40 riders its going to take something like this to happen. Its gone this long because everyone is getting away with it.
i do agree that something should be done to tighten up the field. but you thinking that finding all these "cheater" bikes is gonna make for closer racing, well in my opinion it will not make for close racing... cause guys are running "cheater' bikes so they can atleast keep up with some of the factory boys. if you take away there "cheater advantages" then those guys will never be able to run with the big boys. so i can see why the AMA kinda turns a blind eye to it. unless someone is protested. then they have to follow the rules just like the riders do..

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9/10/2010 6:54am
Make them ride stock with bolt-ons only? Better to watch. Better for us.
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MOTOPHILE wrote:
Make them ride stock with bolt-ons only? Better to watch. Better for us.
Or stop "pretending" that the bikes are production based and bring back the works bikes.
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9/10/2010 7:03am Edited Date/Time 9/10/2010 7:03am
I believe Gavin Gracyk's bike was torn down in 07 when he was running up front, and it was found to be legal.
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MOTOPHILE wrote:
Make them ride stock with bolt-ons only? Better to watch. Better for us.
ando wrote:
Or stop "pretending" that the bikes are production based and bring back the works bikes.
And while you are at it, get rid of weight limits and 2T/4T cc rules...
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9/10/2010 7:19am
Holigan wrote:
One of the things NASCAR does right is check the engines on the top five finishers after every race. It does not stop all cheating, but...
One of the things NASCAR does right is check the engines on the top five finishers after every race. It does not stop all cheating, but it sure helps. Love to see that in SX/MX.
"T-BONE" wrote:
This is what im getting at. Why has our sport gone years without something like this in effect. If we want better racing between 40 riders...
This is what im getting at. Why has our sport gone years without something like this in effect. If we want better racing between 40 riders its going to take something like this to happen. Its gone this long because everyone is getting away with it.
dehner47 wrote:
i do agree that something should be done to tighten up the field. but you thinking that finding all these "cheater" bikes is gonna make for...
i do agree that something should be done to tighten up the field. but you thinking that finding all these "cheater" bikes is gonna make for closer racing, well in my opinion it will not make for close racing... cause guys are running "cheater' bikes so they can atleast keep up with some of the factory boys. if you take away there "cheater advantages" then those guys will never be able to run with the big boys. so i can see why the AMA kinda turns a blind eye to it. unless someone is protested. then they have to follow the rules just like the riders do..

@Dehner47 the cheater bikes are the bikes that are up front.
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9/10/2010 7:33am
MOTOPHILE wrote:
Make them ride stock with bolt-ons only? Better to watch. Better for us.
ando wrote:
Or stop "pretending" that the bikes are production based and bring back the works bikes.
MOTOPHILE wrote:
And while you are at it, get rid of weight limits and 2T/4T cc rules...
Actually, these are fairly decent ideas I think. Allow there to be proper 'works' bikes (though I'm not sure how this would work with most of the manufacturers just running satellite teams). It is after all combined with MX GP the pinnacle of MX in the world so why not allow it? (or is this a 4-stroke cost issue? not that I'm remotely implying 2-stroke works engines were ever cheap)

Also why is there even minimum weight limit rules in place?
Was it a way to balance 2t and 4t's because 4-strokes are heavier? (if so I think it's time it was abolished)

I'm not trying to make this a 2t vs 4t thread more just there seems to be alot of things coming up that seem to have been linked to the whole 2t vs 4t situation.
9/10/2010 7:35am
"T-BONE" wrote:
This is what im getting at. Why has our sport gone years without something like this in effect. If we want better racing between 40 riders...
This is what im getting at. Why has our sport gone years without something like this in effect. If we want better racing between 40 riders its going to take something like this to happen. Its gone this long because everyone is getting away with it.
dehner47 wrote:
i do agree that something should be done to tighten up the field. but you thinking that finding all these "cheater" bikes is gonna make for...
i do agree that something should be done to tighten up the field. but you thinking that finding all these "cheater" bikes is gonna make for closer racing, well in my opinion it will not make for close racing... cause guys are running "cheater' bikes so they can atleast keep up with some of the factory boys. if you take away there "cheater advantages" then those guys will never be able to run with the big boys. so i can see why the AMA kinda turns a blind eye to it. unless someone is protested. then they have to follow the rules just like the riders do..

sesker15 wrote:
@Dehner47 the cheater bikes are the bikes that are up front.
They could do in a sense what F1 and Nascar do. Mark the cases for every rider on the gate/line and inspect the top 10 after every overall, giving them back to the teams to work on after inspection. If a new engine is used for the next weekend (which it would be in most teams) then an inspection of the motor must be done before putting the head on and being marked. It could easily be done on lazy Friday. If the mark is gone they know it's a new motor and possibly cheating. If the mark is there and its a cheater bike they are guilty. Easy enough.
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9/10/2010 7:48am
Weight limits were put into effect way back in the day, so that the privateers could have a chance against the factory riders with the unobtainium. But if there were no weight limits AND they had to ride pretty much stock bikes... then WE would benefit like a mofo!
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9/10/2010 8:27am
Didn't they tear down some 250F's at the beginning of last SX season?
Probably Barcia's cause they were afraid he was gonna blow up his motor.
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9/10/2010 3:13pm
Holigan wrote:
One of the things NASCAR does right is check the engines on the top five finishers after every race. It does not stop all cheating, but...
One of the things NASCAR does right is check the engines on the top five finishers after every race. It does not stop all cheating, but it sure helps. Love to see that in SX/MX.
"T-BONE" wrote:
This is what im getting at. Why has our sport gone years without something like this in effect. If we want better racing between 40 riders...
This is what im getting at. Why has our sport gone years without something like this in effect. If we want better racing between 40 riders its going to take something like this to happen. Its gone this long because everyone is getting away with it.
dehner47 wrote:
i do agree that something should be done to tighten up the field. but you thinking that finding all these "cheater" bikes is gonna make for...
i do agree that something should be done to tighten up the field. but you thinking that finding all these "cheater" bikes is gonna make for closer racing, well in my opinion it will not make for close racing... cause guys are running "cheater' bikes so they can atleast keep up with some of the factory boys. if you take away there "cheater advantages" then those guys will never be able to run with the big boys. so i can see why the AMA kinda turns a blind eye to it. unless someone is protested. then they have to follow the rules just like the riders do..

The bottom line is EVERYONE and ANY TEAM can do anything they want because nobody is regulating it. Why wouldnt you cheat?? What makes you not want to cheat?? What is to stop you from cheating?

When was the last time a bike was weighed at a sx or national???

when was the last time someones suspension was torn down???


http://amaproracing.com/assets/MX_2010_Rulebook-Web.pdf

3.9 Forks and Shocks
a. The manufacturer’s original concept of either single or double
shocks must be maintained.
b. In the 250 Motocross Class, the replacement and modification of
forks and shocks are limited to the following:
i. Forks and shocks may be either stock or aftermarket units listed
on the Approved Equipment List. This list is available from the
AMA Pro Racing Technical Department.
ii. Homologated inner and outer fork tubes, axle lugs, cartridge,
and piston rod must be retained; modifications are permitted.
All other fork parts may be replaced.
iii. Homologated shock body, shaft and reservoir must be retained;
modifications are permitted. All other shock parts may be
replaced.
iv. AMA Pro Racing must receive written notification from the
manufacturer of any superseding of controlled parts before
such parts may be used in competition. The manufacturer’s
parts list reflecting the superseded part must accompany the
notification.
v. Approved forks, shocks, and superseded parts must be
available in the U.S. through dealers or distributors to AMA Pro
Racing Motocross-licensed riders for the entire current season.
A dealer or distributor must fill confirmed orders, accompanied
by a 50% deposit, within 15 business days of receipt. Failure to
fill a confirmed order may result in withdrawal of the component
manufacturer’s homologation approval.
vi. Fork and shock assemblies must be complete and functioning
assemblies, in addition to the controlled parts. Retail prices of
approved forks and shocks may not exceed the following cost,
exclusive of all taxes:
Both fork legs (less triple clamps): $4,500.00
Shock assembly: $1,750.00

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