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8/5/2010 9:19am
Nikhil2 wrote:
Uhhhh.... I was being sarcastic GuyB. I don't actually hate people because they're black...
bh626 wrote:
That's the point NikHil - who knows you were kidding? It's hard to detect humor, sarcasm etc. when there's no voice inflection. People need to look...
That's the point NikHil - who knows you were kidding? It's hard to detect humor, sarcasm etc. when there's no voice inflection. People need to look at how their post is likely to be perceived... same as email at work.
Never be serious about anything and having people take you serious is never a problem. Besides, who listens to racists anyway???
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8/5/2010 9:20am
Nikhil2 wrote:
Uhhhh.... I was being sarcastic GuyB. I don't actually hate people because they're black...
bh626 wrote:
That's the point NikHil - who knows you were kidding? It's hard to detect humor, sarcasm etc. when there's no voice inflection. People need to look...
That's the point NikHil - who knows you were kidding? It's hard to detect humor, sarcasm etc. when there's no voice inflection. People need to look at how their post is likely to be perceived... same as email at work.
No, this is the problem!

If you've read the board for any length of time you could recognize that as sarcasm. Especially if the poster that said it has been around awhile.

Case IN point...
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8/5/2010 9:24am
GuyB wrote:
Back in the day, this place started out as a small group of friends. There was plenty of good-natured ribbing, lots of riding discussion, and people...
Back in the day, this place started out as a small group of friends. There was plenty of good-natured ribbing, lots of riding discussion, and people pretty much knew where to draw the line when it came to bashing...whether it was riders, or each other.

These days? Damn, I know the economy's bad, but wow, I can't say it's just that. There sure seem to be a bunch of grumpy people. It's fairly tough to find anyone posting anything positive, and it doesn't sound like anyone's having any fun. I thought we were all here because we actually liked the sport. Am I wrong? There are quite a few of you who act like you need to get some riding time in to put a smile back on your face.

Then I get goofballs who sign up repeatedly about as fast as I can click them, like it's some kind of game, and board vets who've been clicked a bunch of times, and when I'm slow to let them back doing everything they can to get back on, down to calling me a racist. I've gotten to the point where I've decided that there are some guys (even when they're moto fans) who aren't worth trying to rehabilitate, mostly because they don't add anything to the board even when they're here.

Yes, it's summer, and yes, there are a lot of new members. Part of that is due to school being out (which accounts for a few of the "Which _________ should I buy?" threads). Props to those of you who give them a decent answer. Most of us were probably in that spot at one time or another. Heck, I've done the same thing this summer regarding the trailer I'm traveling in this summer on RV web sites.

I'm sure I can already hear the, "It's because we can't haze the noobs argument." I don't mind if people get called out for posting dumb stuff, but a blanket "STFU noob" for anyone new who shows up? That's what I've always objected to. Besides (ahem), a bunch of the board vets here could do a lot to step up their game when it comes to post quality.

I'd like to suggest that everyone do what they can to add to the quality, and think before you click the submit button. Does what you're add to the board? Or ad to nothing but your post count? My favorite posters have always been the ones with not a whole lot to say (they go for quality over quantity), but make you sit up and take notice when they do post.

So...what's your take? Anyone agree or disagree?
So now you have plenty of feedback!

Can we see your list of action items?

Without action items this was pointless and therefore brought nothing to the board, and for that you should be clicked?
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8/5/2010 9:26am
Al Gore doesn't like jokes. fact.

he could pull the damn plug on the entire interwebz if he wanted.

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Outsider wrote:
No, this is the problem! If you've read the board for any length of time you could recognize that as sarcasm. Especially if the poster that...
No, this is the problem!

If you've read the board for any length of time you could recognize that as sarcasm. Especially if the poster that said it has been around awhile.

Case IN point...
What about young kids or newcomers that haven't been around long? Should a young kid who loves MS/SX be subject to half the crap that gets spouted on these boards? That's for the admins to decide... Take a look at that cesspool mxforum.com
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8/5/2010 9:39am
Outsider wrote:
No, this is the problem! If you've read the board for any length of time you could recognize that as sarcasm. Especially if the poster that...
No, this is the problem!

If you've read the board for any length of time you could recognize that as sarcasm. Especially if the poster that said it has been around awhile.

Case IN point...
bh626 wrote:
What about young kids or newcomers that haven't been around long? Should a young kid who loves MS/SX be subject to half the crap that gets...
What about young kids or newcomers that haven't been around long? Should a young kid who loves MS/SX be subject to half the crap that gets spouted on these boards? That's for the admins to decide... Take a look at that cesspool mxforum.com
I've heard kids at the mall say worse things.

If you noticed, pretty much everybody just ignored that post except for GuyB... it was a joke, maybe not very good, but he tried.

Maybe we lighten up a little and talk about moto and joke like motoheads, and stop trying to turn this place into sunday school...
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8/5/2010 9:44am Edited Date/Time 8/5/2010 9:46am
Outsider wrote:
No, this is the problem! If you've read the board for any length of time you could recognize that as sarcasm. Especially if the poster that...
No, this is the problem!

If you've read the board for any length of time you could recognize that as sarcasm. Especially if the poster that said it has been around awhile.

Case IN point...
bh626 wrote:
What about young kids or newcomers that haven't been around long? Should a young kid who loves MS/SX be subject to half the crap that gets...
What about young kids or newcomers that haven't been around long? Should a young kid who loves MS/SX be subject to half the crap that gets spouted on these boards? That's for the admins to decide... Take a look at that cesspool mxforum.com
So you're saying that we shouldn't be allowed to be sarcastic or make jokes just incase there's someone on here who frowns upon humor? It's pretty damn obvious when someone's being serious or not, and it seems like no one took my post seriously except GuyB.
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8/5/2010 9:49am Edited Date/Time 8/5/2010 9:52am
I like it here but I'm always amazed at how 99.9% of topics degenerate in to a slagging match 1/2 down the first page.

I go to a few other boards that are very civilized but I think that's the way the mods run them plus some are local so you know you may well run in to the guys you're chatting with.

I guess if you're getting tired of dealing with it all you could start clicking people hard 'till the guys that like to start shit realize it isn't going to play here anymore ?

I do think an autoclick of every US v EURO thread would be a start because, without fail they end up with multiple guys throwing around completely pointless, xenophobically fuelled insults.


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8/5/2010 9:54am
Outsider wrote:
No, this is the problem! If you've read the board for any length of time you could recognize that as sarcasm. Especially if the poster that...
No, this is the problem!

If you've read the board for any length of time you could recognize that as sarcasm. Especially if the poster that said it has been around awhile.

Case IN point...
bh626 wrote:
What about young kids or newcomers that haven't been around long? Should a young kid who loves MS/SX be subject to half the crap that gets...
What about young kids or newcomers that haven't been around long? Should a young kid who loves MS/SX be subject to half the crap that gets spouted on these boards? That's for the admins to decide... Take a look at that cesspool mxforum.com
Nikhil2 wrote:
So you're saying that we shouldn't be allowed to be sarcastic or make jokes just incase there's someone on here who frowns upon humor? It's pretty...
So you're saying that we shouldn't be allowed to be sarcastic or make jokes just incase there's someone on here who frowns upon humor? It's pretty damn obvious when someone's being serious or not, and it seems like no one took my post seriously except GuyB.
I use to have the same thinking...

Every time Lenny would post something stupid (most of his posts) I'd post a picture that said "nixxx please" on it, with a black lady (it even ended with a gga, not a gger). I would chuckle anytime I saw it. It was 100% a joke. I guess the way I finally starting seeing it is, this is a website that is viewed my thousand and thousands of people. Black, white, mexican, everything.... Not everybody has the same sense of humor. I can see both sides of it....

I saw your joke and knew it was a joke, but I also knew you'd be getting clicked too....


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8/5/2010 10:10am Edited Date/Time 8/5/2010 10:12am
bh626 wrote:
What about young kids or newcomers that haven't been around long? Should a young kid who loves MS/SX be subject to half the crap that gets...
What about young kids or newcomers that haven't been around long? Should a young kid who loves MS/SX be subject to half the crap that gets spouted on these boards? That's for the admins to decide... Take a look at that cesspool mxforum.com
Nikhil2 wrote:
So you're saying that we shouldn't be allowed to be sarcastic or make jokes just incase there's someone on here who frowns upon humor? It's pretty...
So you're saying that we shouldn't be allowed to be sarcastic or make jokes just incase there's someone on here who frowns upon humor? It's pretty damn obvious when someone's being serious or not, and it seems like no one took my post seriously except GuyB.
huck wrote:
I use to have the same thinking... Every time Lenny would post something stupid (most of his posts) I'd post a picture that said "nixxx please"...
I use to have the same thinking...

Every time Lenny would post something stupid (most of his posts) I'd post a picture that said "nixxx please" on it, with a black lady (it even ended with a gga, not a gger). I would chuckle anytime I saw it. It was 100% a joke. I guess the way I finally starting seeing it is, this is a website that is viewed my thousand and thousands of people. Black, white, mexican, everything.... Not everybody has the same sense of humor. I can see both sides of it....

I saw your joke and knew it was a joke, but I also knew you'd be getting clicked too....


The thing is, I wasn't making a black joke, I was making fun of racists. Surely that's universally okay?

And again, there's still the fact that people being legitimately racist don't get banned for quite some time, yet a single joke gets clicked immediately...
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8/5/2010 10:16am
Nikhil2 wrote:
Uhhhh.... I was being sarcastic GuyB. I don't actually hate people because they're black...
Since we're doubling up messages, you should also have this one in your in box.

I'm a fan of sarcasm. In fact, I just bought my son a t-shirt that reads, National Sarcasm Society. Like we need your help.

The problem with sarcasm is that it's awfully hard to tell if someone's being sarcastic or not in a forum post. And my tolerance for racial stuff has always been really low anyway. That just generally makes for a bad starting point, and it goes downhill from there. And that thread may have not been the best place for it anyway. Smile

If you could skip that topic in the future, I'd appreciate it. Smile
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Get a mountain bike and go to those sites instead for information and an upbeat place to be.
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8/5/2010 10:23am Edited Date/Time 8/5/2010 10:31am
Nikhil2 wrote:
The thing is, I wasn't making a black joke, I was making fun of racists. Surely that's universally okay? And again, there's still the fact that...
The thing is, I wasn't making a black joke, I was making fun of racists. Surely that's universally okay?

And again, there's still the fact that people being legitimately racist don't get banned for quite some time, yet a single joke gets clicked immediately...
i disagree with clicking people for being racist. I am not personally racist but it is their choice and is protected by the constitution. I would think the constitution trumps a message board? I am no lawyer!



Not liking someone based on race is essentially no different than not liking Honda's or some other brand. If people get their delicate little feelings hurt maybe they don't have thick enough skin for a message board?



I am also guessing if a truly racist person were to post here they would receive a fairly chilly reception and eventually lose interest! Less policing is the answer. Let natural attrition work it's magic!
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I'm not racist by any means, but if a joke is funny I'll laugh at it......it could be a white joke, black joke, chinese, etc......I'm a very sarcastic person and really get along well with other sarcastic people.....but one thing I've learned is that there is probably more non-sarcastic people out there and they really take offense to things, especially when it comes to racism. I knew 100% that Nikhil was joking around, but like others said, there are a lot of people reading these boards that didnt get what he was saying or how he was saying it and things like that can give the entire website a bad name, so I also see where GuyB is coming from. I didnt have a problem with what Nikhil said, but more people probably did.
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FREE NIKHIL....
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Nikhil2 wrote:
The thing is, I wasn't making a black joke, I was making fun of racists. Surely that's universally okay? And again, there's still the fact that...
The thing is, I wasn't making a black joke, I was making fun of racists. Surely that's universally okay?

And again, there's still the fact that people being legitimately racist don't get banned for quite some time, yet a single joke gets clicked immediately...
i disagree with clicking people for being racist. I am not personally racist but it is their choice and is protected by the constitution. I would...
i disagree with clicking people for being racist. I am not personally racist but it is their choice and is protected by the constitution. I would think the constitution trumps a message board? I am no lawyer!



Not liking someone based on race is essentially no different than not liking Honda's or some other brand. If people get their delicate little feelings hurt maybe they don't have thick enough skin for a message board?



I am also guessing if a truly racist person were to post here they would receive a fairly chilly reception and eventually lose interest! Less policing is the answer. Let natural attrition work it's magic!
I really don't think we need to start defending first amendment rights for racists. Besides, this is intended as a message board by and for motocross fans, riders and racing, not racists. And while you think they might lose interest after a while we'd all have to read their stupid crap until they did tire of it...and personally, I don't find any redeeming entertainment value in that.

And Nik...you can see why I said this probably wasn't the best place for it. Smile
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8/5/2010 10:46am
GuyB, I appreciate all you do to keep this board going.

We will never all agree with every decision made in board set up, moderation and so on. Most will agree that it takes a big effort to keep a moto board going long term, have intersting content, as well as places for us to give opinions and bitch a little if we feel the need.

When people step outside the guidelines of the board, there needs to be accountability. We have that, and although we might not all be in agreement, it's a must have in places like this.

There's a lot of good coming from this thread. Hell, even YB came around and gave some valuable insight. Wish we would see him around more often..

Steve, keep up the good work and all us monkeys will try to stay within the boundries in place..
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Maybe GuyB could start a forum called Moto-Jail. Anyone that has been clicked can still post there so they arent completely kept away from Vital. We could put them up for parole from time to time and have a board of members hear their arguments to see of they should be paroled and let back into general population.
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GuyB wrote:
I really don't think we need to start defending first amendment rights for racists. Besides, this is intended as a message board by and for motocross...
I really don't think we need to start defending first amendment rights for racists. Besides, this is intended as a message board by and for motocross fans, riders and racing, not racists. And while you think they might lose interest after a while we'd all have to read their stupid crap until they did tire of it...and personally, I don't find any redeeming entertainment value in that.

And Nik...you can see why I said this probably wasn't the best place for it. Smile
I guess this whole post is moot then. The bottom line is if you do not find that a thread or poster brings something to the board or that a thread is entertaining it will be removed or worse.

It's your board boss! What you say goes and most understand that.
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huck wrote:
I use to have the same thinking... Every time Lenny would post something stupid (most of his posts) I'd post a picture that said "nixxx please"...
I use to have the same thinking...

Every time Lenny would post something stupid (most of his posts) I'd post a picture that said "nixxx please" on it, with a black lady (it even ended with a gga, not a gger). I would chuckle anytime I saw it. It was 100% a joke. I guess the way I finally starting seeing it is, this is a website that is viewed my thousand and thousands of people. Black, white, mexican, everything.... Not everybody has the same sense of humor. I can see both sides of it....

I saw your joke and knew it was a joke, but I also knew you'd be getting clicked too....


Thanks for the chuckle.... this is a website that is viewed my thousand and thousands of people

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/The-Dumbgeon,28/Racers-penis-size,948556

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My list of complaints:
1. Non-riders that don't attend pro races but bitch about everything.
2. Newbies that start tons of posts.
3. People that spell at a fourth grade level.
4. People that care too much about 2stroke vs. 4-stroke.
4. People that make lists of their complaints.
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i think there is somewhat of a bandwagon effect, it tends to occur even with noobs who think they will be cool by helping to haze other noobs by saying the "stfu noob" and such comments...its almost created a sort of culture which to me is more of a virus...i say this thread is a good vaccine, lets be more pleasant, end of story...
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8/5/2010 11:24am
GuyB is right. It is time we change the vibe and attitutde of this site. He has created the single most viewed and posted motocross board in the world and provides it free of charge. Tons of pics, information, laughs, and entertainment. It is up to each one of us to decide if we want to change how we post. The "self regulating" wish of GuyB should not be a wish. I would like to see a "fuel meter" voting system like TT.

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huck wrote:
Start by banning hotmail and gmail accounts... That'd be a start!

Hotmail accounts?????????

I understand users make new email addy's to sign up here but banning hotmail? I use my hotmail for this account and it would suck if I couldn't sign up due to that. Hotmail is one of the most popular email accounts on the net.....while you're at it why not ban yahoo too?

I really don't think baning certain email accounts like the ones mentioned above is the answer people will just find other wayys to sign up and if you keep banning email sites nobody will be able to sign up....the IP address is a good idea though, it may not be 100% effective but the effort it would take to get around it if you're not 100% computer tech savvy would be too much work for an overwhelming majority of users trying to sign up over and over to start trouble.
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A board is like any other social gathering of somewhat like-minded people. There're gonna be disagreements. There are going to be some people that rub some other people the wrong way. There are going to be genuinely useful by-products of the goings on, too.

What also evolves is the mindset of the board owner, Steve. "In the olden days" when you took a pretty much hands off approach - indeed reveled in how that differentiated the Drive from everything else, I don't think any real damage was done to anyone and most people had a lot of fun. Some of the stuff that you'd insta-click now provided some of the most intriguing reasons to check in. It was edgy and different. The tightening of the reins, in and of itself, incites rebellion. Especially among MX'ers, who aren't known for their conformity traits. It becomes a challenge to see what you can get away with behind the teacher's back, or, to their face, so to speak. And, just like in school, it also invites "tattle tales" to rattle your cage every time someone pulls on their pigtails.

I think all of that impacts and distorts your own perception as "chief" of what's going on and how "important" it is. I think it is dangerously easy to fall into the trap of an idea that every member sees every little thing that gets posted on the board and to ascribe your own personal reactions to this or that little tidbit onto everyone as if every single member and advertiser saw it. But that's a distorted viewpoint. Just like in a big bar with a lot of people in it, most do not pay attention to every sentence uttered in the conversations at every single table. If they did, something is bound to piss everyone off before long.

Case in point, as long as I've been around here as a daily visitor, I *STILL* have yet to see any of the posts that apparently were so egregious to get Lenny clicked (again and again and again). At the same time I have seen many by others with lesser pedigree, still posting their BS away, completely off the hook. I guess once the teacher labels someone a "troublemaker", they can never escape it. It does seem out of balance to me, though. I *HAVE* seen plenty of good stuff posted by the BL and it's clear he's a motohead to the core. On our board, that was the one qualification that forgave most sins. We focused on how much we had in common, not where we were different. And I have seen BL's bait. But IMO those little dramas really never amount to much and add an interest angle that is otherwise missing to the board. Same thing with the Bobster. And to me that's the element of interest that goes missing when the thought police get overactive that leads people to regard a place "bland and boring". So what if someone calls someone else's sister fat and ugly deep in a false thread about Euros being faster than Americans? BFD. No one that cares about the topic will read the side drama, or, if they do, they will be amused by it. The Shyla's and the PMJs and the RC16s and the seatbounces and Danny Dolans are the stuff of legend. People remember those (in a good way) for a long time. No one remembers STFU Noob.

My personal philosophy? You don't like what someone has to say? Ignore em. Change channels. Hit mute. Poke a needle in a voodoo doll. LYAO. It's all so very meaningless. But can be, and should be, entertaining.

Just my 2c.
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BTW: GuyB is right self regulating NEVER works.....not here, not wall street, not the oil industry, not the health insurance industry, not the general insurance industry, not the energy industry, and most certainly not the coal industry............there has to be some sort of regulation and rules or certain people will take advantage of no regulation and abuse the sh*t out of it.
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8/5/2010 11:46am Edited Date/Time 8/5/2010 11:48am
GuyB wrote:
Back in the day, this place started out as a small group of friends. There was plenty of good-natured ribbing, lots of riding discussion, and people...
Back in the day, this place started out as a small group of friends. There was plenty of good-natured ribbing, lots of riding discussion, and people pretty much knew where to draw the line when it came to bashing...whether it was riders, or each other.

These days? Damn, I know the economy's bad, but wow, I can't say it's just that. There sure seem to be a bunch of grumpy people. It's fairly tough to find anyone posting anything positive, and it doesn't sound like anyone's having any fun. I thought we were all here because we actually liked the sport. Am I wrong? There are quite a few of you who act like you need to get some riding time in to put a smile back on your face.

Then I get goofballs who sign up repeatedly about as fast as I can click them, like it's some kind of game, and board vets who've been clicked a bunch of times, and when I'm slow to let them back doing everything they can to get back on, down to calling me a racist. I've gotten to the point where I've decided that there are some guys (even when they're moto fans) who aren't worth trying to rehabilitate, mostly because they don't add anything to the board even when they're here.

Yes, it's summer, and yes, there are a lot of new members. Part of that is due to school being out (which accounts for a few of the "Which _________ should I buy?" threads). Props to those of you who give them a decent answer. Most of us were probably in that spot at one time or another. Heck, I've done the same thing this summer regarding the trailer I'm traveling in this summer on RV web sites.

I'm sure I can already hear the, "It's because we can't haze the noobs argument." I don't mind if people get called out for posting dumb stuff, but a blanket "STFU noob" for anyone new who shows up? That's what I've always objected to. Besides (ahem), a bunch of the board vets here could do a lot to step up their game when it comes to post quality.

I'd like to suggest that everyone do what they can to add to the quality, and think before you click the submit button. Does what you're add to the board? Or ad to nothing but your post count? My favorite posters have always been the ones with not a whole lot to say (they go for quality over quantity), but make you sit up and take notice when they do post.

So...what's your take? Anyone agree or disagree?
i see your points whipmeister but i disagree partially...



My reasons are that this board has gotten to be known by some as one that is just full of people who are chomping at the bit just to say "STFU" or "stfu noob" etc, and then there are the kids (and some older loosers) that just find it cool to jump on that bandwagon and flame on any person at the slightest chance they get.....



for example, someone might even post something good, and if a more popular poster insults that post, there are some idiots that would just jump in with more insults just because they think they will be more accepted by agreeing with the popular poster and before you know it, a potentially very good thread has been demoted to absolutely nothing but insults...
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Whip.....While Lenny's posts may have not been inherently detremental to his demise they almost ALWAYS are a massive fuel to start a major meltdown.....thats IMO where his problem lies he posts stuff that can create a huge battle among members which would create 10 times the casualties and gets clicked or his posts get clipped before there is time to start a war....again IMO
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