Is Open Class the Answer?

motogroove
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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 5:09pm
Over in the "2t" thread, regarding the old 2 stroke vs 4 stroke discussion, I opined:

"What we should all wish for is a realistic parity formula that makes them both relevant choices for racing (hint: open class). "

It seems that with the 350 4stroke, let's call it an experiment, that there is such a thing as "big enough". I would expect that a CR 500 is probably big enough for most 2 stroke riders. There's always that 700 Intimidator if it isn't. But I don't think you'd see a lot of 700s out there.

If you could build/buy an open class 4stroke that you had to race, how big would you go?
2 stroke, same question.

Would you want to race in Open Class? Or is that why it went away?

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WhKnuckle
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7/25/2010 5:10am
We effectively have an open class now. Nobody makes a competitive 500 two stroke other than Service Honda and top pros won't ride it anyway because the factories have no interest in it - so 450s constitute an open class.

Remember that the old open class was dominated by 360/400s for years; true 500s only came along late in the game.
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7/25/2010 7:17am
the answer...... Hmmm, I think the AMA and the manufacturers already answered when they stopped making 2 stroke MX bikes and changed the rules to kill them.

The development of the 4 stroke is way ahead of where the rule makers expected them to be. Non of them had the foresight to think that a big heavy 450 would ever match the 250 2T....ding ding..... they were wrong!!

To include 2 strokes in the system we have now, there is not an easy solution. I think it should be a displacement rule... 250 class and 500 class, any stroke you choose.

There are people who say a 250 2 stroke will eat a 250F, and while that may be true, the team would have the choice. And were pretty confident the factory backed teams would still run 4 strokes and pay the top guys to ride them.

I doubt it will ever happen, since there are very few250 2 strokes and no 500´s
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7/25/2010 7:37am
I'd take a 500 in either stroke. I love 500 2 strokes and I loved my 525SX KTM. I also think it should be cc for cc racing regardless of stroke. I've heard PC is getting 45 hp out of the 250 four strokes. Given their power output they should be very competitive against a 250 two stroke......nevermind that they are ticking time bombs at that power output level.
7/25/2010 9:55am
I'm sure 250fs and 250ts would be a pretty close match at the top or any level but the thing is if you had the choice why would you pay a whole lot more $$$ to run a 4 stroke that is only just level pegging a 2 stroke?





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7/25/2010 4:06pm
scotttydog wrote:
I'm sure 250fs and 250ts would be a pretty close match at the top or any level but the thing is if you had the choice...
I'm sure 250fs and 250ts would be a pretty close match at the top or any level but the thing is if you had the choice why would you pay a whole lot more $$$ to run a 4 stroke that is only just level pegging a 2 stroke?





The $60 million question of the day... especially in this economy. IMO the killer of our sport is the continued increase in preventing more of those that would love to be a participant in motocross... but like horse racing it is only a select few that can afford too. By the way, horse racing is on its way to becoming a dying sport. I believe that it will soon become a sport similar to motocross uses the "Non-conformist" fuck the corporates, we''ll show em attitude of we will NEVER allow motocross to grow! Ever here what the difference is between a conservationist is and a land developer is? The developer wants to build a cabin in the woods, the conservationist already has a cabin in the woods. Selfishness SUKS.

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