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The thing is, and call me silly, I generally think the purpose of the forum is for people who actually like the sport. That's whether they're a fan, rider, racer, parent, etc. When it just gets overwhelmingly bitter and/or cynical, it starts bugging me. And with Trip, I can't remember the last time he posted something even remotely positive. Sometimes there's a vocal minority who just seem to get disaffected, unhappy, and can't seem to post enough about how unhappy they are. That gets really old. And that's just my opinion.
There lots of people on here that I could do without, just like a lot could do without me, but, hey, that's life!
Just hate to see some of these guys get the boot, not naming names, but the place is a lot less interesting without them. And the fact that you have to include "]sarcasm" at the end of every little joking comment you make, cause the new guys won't get it, is lame too.
Just another opinion.
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everyone around here can agree on everything, never shoot any jabs and make Guyb's job easy but that is not what made this place fun and its not working now.
By the way did anyone ever post any attendence numbers?
A planned weekend of moto, camping and all things good. Campfires and barbecues, a few beers... I have a feeling that it'll never be that way again. What a shame.
And all to further our "sport." I'm just wondering out loud, what sport we're talking about and how did most of us get talked into this "great idea?"
Why Is this such a sore subject . A couple of years ago I asked this very same question on another forum and it turned into a flaming post like usual. I would love to do finger pointing, as I think I have some knowledge on the subject, but I am not stooping to that level.
I see DC was on here, the Dave Coombs of the NPG ,and he hasn't answered the original question, so I think the question will remain unanswered. The promoters are happy, so I guess that is all that matters!!!!! 5000 or 50,000, they are happy!!
I do think that the payback, or lack of, is one of the major reasons are sport isn't taken seriously in the mainstream press. That and not much for attendance. Just my 2 cents.
I'm not negitive, but MX outdoors isn't much farther along than in the late 70's.
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I guess you would be Davey, and not Dave. The one that rode 75 or 80 back in 1980. I thought your name was Dave also. Sorry about the confusion as I know your Dad, Dave Sr. died in 1998 or so. I really did admire him!!!
I remember him racing at the PA farm show and thinking when I hit 40, I hope I'm still doing it. Well, I am well past 40 and still racing and still enjoying it. I just want the sport to grow, and all this bickering doesn't do any good.
I was a lurker here for years, never posting anything until just a few weeks ago. Like usual, I struck a chord with this subject, or pro pay, every time.
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I compare the mx season now to WNBA. They have live TV, (that not many people watch) dont they? The have sponsors who pay to have names on uniforms, dont they? But still people just don't watch. I can only guess what the TV ratings are for mx, but I'm guessing they are not stellar. On a Saturday afternoon when mx is on, they are up against infomercials, and we still don't get numbers. I will bet everything I own, that if the TV numbers were good, we would be hearing about it weekly. Problem is the people who know the numbers are not talking. You do the math.
As far as Gibby calling me out about being negative? Maybe? I did post some pics at Glen Helen before the gp. I said who I thought looked good, and who I thought looked slow. Instead of remembering who I said looked fast, some of you want to jump my ass because I said Hamblin looked slow compared to some others. If Sean was really a second faster than some top ten guys at two practice tracks, don't you think he would have a ride right now?
This goes back to the negative talk....
Sorry I'm not on the Dungey bandwagon. The kid is to vanilla for me. Everyone talking about the new golden boy with his Nike and Target sponsorship and how he is going to bring the sport into the mainstream. I don't see it, you need a personality, and he has no personality. How is anyone going to relate to him, hell nobody even knows him, the guy is a freakin' robot.
I'm not a traditionalist, I like the four stroke. I also like racing!! Meaning you race your way in to the mains against riders, not a clock. . What's next, all riders get three laps to try and best each others times? Winner is who has the fastest lap time at the end.
People all over the world like the Saturday racing? Get a grip, your just fooling yourself. Go to a practice track on a Tuesday and ask some of the locals at the track what they think about the awesome TV package. Go talk to the fans, because without them, mx really will be the WNBA..
I think you have taken the words out of my mouth!!!!! I feel the same way!!! Glad it is your butt they hate more than mine!!! I didn't want to go and do finger pointing, but man Trip, you are so right!!!
I have been around this sport since 71, racing for over 33 years (still active) and if you can't pull me to a national, then you have a problem.
Maybe the NPG can look at this and use it as constructive criticism. Maybe not. I would LOVE to see them succeed big time, but if they don't have the paying casual spectator, it will never be more than it is . Just hardore single male 20 and 30 somethings with nothing better to do on a Saturday.
the overwhelmingly bitter and/or cynical attitudes that you may feel is because of the love of the sport.....not the hate of it.
watching moto for a million years now.....honestly nothing has changed. the people promoting the sport have never made a nickle running it and will spend millions to save it for themselves and to keep others out, wont open their books to show all the millions they are losing and will barely pay for more than a billboard to promote it.
if that is supposed to inspire enthusiasm in the type of personality that a moto head has......you are hangin with a differant croud of riders than the rest of us!
put the fan back closer to the track. just work on that one and you will pick up more spectators.
if the distance between the track and you at the live event is just fine, raise your hand!
And who wants to drive a long distance for a one day event? Two days of practice/racing was so much better.
Oh yeah, buy a four-stroke. They're the way to go!!
Perfect. I used to love watching Tucker Hibbert try to qualify through this sat qualifier at Millville to see if he could get into the Sunday program. This "wham, bam, thank you Ma'am" doesn't work for me. Maybe better for Bubba, but he doesn't partake anyway, so why are we bending over for him anyhoo? I love Sundays, and I loved the two day program. It was a week end man!
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