How many people would be dead if this happened in AZ?

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 12:42am
Taxi driver kills 12, wounds 25 in England

12:00 AM CDT on Thursday, June 3, 2010
The Associated Press, Los Angeles Times

SEASCALE, England – A taxi driver fatally shot 12 people and wounded 25 others Wednesday while driving his vehicle across a tranquil stretch of northwest England, before apparently killing himself.

It was Britain's deadliest mass shooting since 1996, and it jolted a country where handguns are banned and multiple shootings rare.

The body of the driver, Derrick Bird, 52, was found in woods near Boot, a hamlet popular with hikers and vacationers in England's scenic Lake District. Police said two weapons were recovered.

Three of the injured were in critical condition and five more were in serious condition at West Cumberland Hospital in Whitehaven, chief executive Kevin Clarkson said. Others injured were taken to hospitals in Carlisle and Newcastle.

Queen Elizabeth II, who rarely issues public statements responding to the news, said she shared in "the grief and horror of the whole country" and extended her sympathy to the families of the victims.

Police said it was too early to say what the killer's motive was, or whether the shootings had been random. Some reports said Bird had quarreled with fellow cabdrivers the night before.

Peter Leder, a taxi driver who knew Bird, said he had seen Bird on Tuesday and didn't notice anything amiss. But he was struck by Bird's departing words.

"When he left, he said, 'See you, Peter, but I won't see you again,' " Leder told Channel 4 News.

Local media reports described Bird, who lived in the village of Rowrah, as a divorced father of two.

The first shootings were reported in the coastal town of Whitehaven. Witnesses said the dead there included two of Bird's fellow cabbies.

Police warned residents to stay indoors as they tracked the gunman's progress across the county of Cumbria. Witnesses described seeing the gunman shooting from the window of his car with a shotgun or rifle.

Victims died in Seascale and Egremont, near Whitehaven, and in Gosforth, where a farmer's son was shot dead in a field.

Workers at the nearby Sellafield nuclear processing plant were ordered to stay inside while the gunman was on the loose.

Police Deputy Chief Constable Stuart Hyde said there were 30 crime scenes. Many bodies remained on the ground late Wednesday, covered with sheets, awaiting the region's overstretched force of forensic officers.

Deadly shootings are rare in Britain, where gun ownership is tightly restricted. In recent years, there have been fewer than 100 gun murders annually across the country.

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6/3/2010 8:09am
I don't understand the basis for the question in regards to Arizona. What are you asking?
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6/3/2010 8:15am Edited Date/Time 6/3/2010 8:16am
I don't understand the basis for the question in regards to Arizona. What are you asking?
the same thing I was thinking when I read the article this morning. It goes like this, we in AZ carry guns, so how far would this ass would have gotten if he did that here? I'd say not to far. Wink
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6/3/2010 8:20am
I don't understand the basis for the question in regards to Arizona. What are you asking?
AZ has open carry gun law. It's also fairly easy to get a concealed carry permit.
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1. I don't know
2. Most people who carry can and will shoot you.
3. There is no way to accurately answer this.
4. I think a bunch of folks would rather shoot than be shot.
5. Since you actually don't have any facts and are spewing bullshit, come to Alabama and test your theory on me, see what happens.

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6/3/2010 8:47am
Considering the report I heard was that he was carrying a sniper rifle, one would have to think the casualties would have been similar since the victims probably never saw the shooter.
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6/3/2010 8:48am
Well Froggy, look up the Chicago gun ban, then look up how many gun crimes are committed in Chicago and get back with us!!
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Sorry.. That's what I thought you were hinting at..
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Less drug related street gangs.
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"TONS"?

Did you see videos on every last law enforcement related shooting? Where do "trained soldier" defensive handgun videos come from? Does youtube and The A-Team count as "research"?

In general, you take cover when being shot at. Everybody knows people can't shoot worth a fvck when they are dodging bullets.

I'd wager that the average gun carrying citizen is more skilled with a weapon than the average cop.

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6/3/2010 9:29am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 11:18pm
Frogman wrote:
"TONS"? Did you see videos on every last law enforcement related shooting? Where do "trained soldier" defensive handgun videos come from? Does youtube and The A-Team...
"TONS"?

Did you see videos on every last law enforcement related shooting? Where do "trained soldier" defensive handgun videos come from? Does youtube and The A-Team count as "research"?

In general, you take cover when being shot at. Everybody knows people can't shoot worth a fvck when they are dodging bullets.

I'd wager that the average gun carrying citizen is more skilled with a weapon than the average cop.

This guy was damn lucky




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6/3/2010 9:37am
Robert wrote:
This guy was damn lucky




that's some scary shit.

Pandora's box is open in the US. Guns exist. It's not going to change any time soon.
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Holy shit. That video gave me chills.
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Probably no dead people, since mass shootings basically never happens in the US, due to all the heroic cowboys that roam the streets protecting people with their pieces. Whistling
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6/3/2010 9:54am
Robert wrote:
This guy was damn lucky




txmxer wrote:
that's some scary shit.

Pandora's box is open in the US. Guns exist. It's not going to change any time soon.
I hope the cop hit that POS and I hope he died from his wounds.
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Robert wrote:
This guy was damn lucky




txmxer wrote:
that's some scary shit.

Pandora's box is open in the US. Guns exist. It's not going to change any time soon.
bullpen58 wrote:
I hope the cop hit that POS and I hope he died from his wounds.
Jessop testified that he fired 14 of the 15 rounds in his gun and that when back up arrived, officers ended up approaching Davis' SUV where they found him dead from a single gunshot wound.
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Robert wrote:
Jessop testified that he fired 14 of the 15 rounds in his gun and that when back up arrived, officers ended up approaching Davis' SUV where...
Jessop testified that he fired 14 of the 15 rounds in his gun and that when back up arrived, officers ended up approaching Davis' SUV where they found him dead from a single gunshot wound.
good.
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6/3/2010 10:43am
I don't understand the basis for the question in regards to Arizona. What are you asking?
Robert wrote:
AZ has open carry gun law. It's also fairly easy to get a concealed carry permit.
In about a month and a half there is no longer a permit required for a concealed carry here.
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Ever tried to shoot through a fleeing SUV to hit a guy slouched down in the seat?
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J.F.S wrote:
Probably no dead people, since mass shootings basically never happens in the US, due to all the heroic cowboys that roam the streets protecting people with...
Probably no dead people, since mass shootings basically never happens in the US, due to all the heroic cowboys that roam the streets protecting people with their pieces. Whistling
Good point. Most of our mass shooting happen at schools, where nobody is armed.
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I wouldn't have pulled a gun in that situation all you could is take cover, if you did draw then the cops could have mistaken you for the bad guy. It doesn't take long to fire 7 shots, i wouldn't expect cops to shoot before he was done shooting, i guess it depends on how fast he was pulling the trigger, with the crowd you have to access the situation, i'm not firing off into a crowd trying to be a hero. Of course every situation is different and there are a lot of situations where carrying a gun will save your life. You love to just throw out a bunch of variables then fill in the blanks with what suits your agenda, that's really ignorant for someone of your incredible knowledge and super duper education, I would consider you more of politician than someone with actual smarts. Folks around here women included, take pride in their handling of guns and general ability to F someone up. There is no doubt in my mind that most of these folks can handle their business, not sure where your from or how folks are there, but i can vouch for this area or my friends at least.
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6/3/2010 2:27pm
What if an illegal Mexican gangster shot the taxi driver?
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Damn, they must be good shots. People in Arkansas can pull the trigger 20 times and still not hit what they're shooting at.
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Yeap, my RPG sure packs a wallop Wink
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Crash82 wrote:
I wouldn't have pulled a gun in that situation all you could is take cover, if you did draw then the cops could have mistaken you...
I wouldn't have pulled a gun in that situation all you could is take cover, if you did draw then the cops could have mistaken you for the bad guy. It doesn't take long to fire 7 shots, i wouldn't expect cops to shoot before he was done shooting, i guess it depends on how fast he was pulling the trigger, with the crowd you have to access the situation, i'm not firing off into a crowd trying to be a hero. Of course every situation is different and there are a lot of situations where carrying a gun will save your life. You love to just throw out a bunch of variables then fill in the blanks with what suits your agenda, that's really ignorant for someone of your incredible knowledge and super duper education, I would consider you more of politician than someone with actual smarts. Folks around here women included, take pride in their handling of guns and general ability to F someone up. There is no doubt in my mind that most of these folks can handle their business, not sure where your from or how folks are there, but i can vouch for this area or my friends at least.
[color=blue]Well said, Crash. You should know better than to bring actual facts to an Opinionfest, though. Besides, you will never be able to defeat frogskin in a debate. He is a legend in his own mind...just ask him. I just hope (I really do) that he is never in a situation where he needs a weapon but doesn't have one(I hope that for everyone, really). And stop, frog, about the "hundreds of videos of blah-blah-blah". Really? Hundreds? Exaggerate much? I'm not even going to address the military comment...that's just asinine. I've actually been there and done that, and it's nothing like you "envision" it to be. Once again, you are talking about something you have no first hand knowledge of. You've made your point (whatever it is), so please move on...//TJ[/color]
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I don't understand the basis for the question in regards to Arizona. What are you asking?
maicoman wrote:
the same thing I was thinking when I read the article this morning. It goes like this, we in AZ carry guns, so how far would...
the same thing I was thinking when I read the article this morning. It goes like this, we in AZ carry guns, so how far would this ass would have gotten if he did that here? I'd say not to far. Wink
and how many shootings like this would be a common occurrence? guns are dangerous...people are dangerous and nutz, and people with guns are twice as dangerous and nutz. there is no simple solution...but if there is at least one crazy fucker out there with a gun i'd want it to be two crazy fuckers out there with guns...me being the other crazy wacko.
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J.F.S wrote:
Probably no dead people, since mass shootings basically never happens in the US, due to all the heroic cowboys that roam the streets protecting people with...
Probably no dead people, since mass shootings basically never happens in the US, due to all the heroic cowboys that roam the streets protecting people with their pieces. Whistling
So your telling us that Sweden has Samurai Warriors patrolling the streets to ward off the knife attacks that you guys are so famous for when killing your leaders ? Have you banned steak knives yet ? or just those pesky plastic knives.
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Crash82 wrote:
I wouldn't have pulled a gun in that situation all you could is take cover, if you did draw then the cops could have mistaken you...
I wouldn't have pulled a gun in that situation all you could is take cover, if you did draw then the cops could have mistaken you for the bad guy. It doesn't take long to fire 7 shots, i wouldn't expect cops to shoot before he was done shooting, i guess it depends on how fast he was pulling the trigger, with the crowd you have to access the situation, i'm not firing off into a crowd trying to be a hero. Of course every situation is different and there are a lot of situations where carrying a gun will save your life. You love to just throw out a bunch of variables then fill in the blanks with what suits your agenda, that's really ignorant for someone of your incredible knowledge and super duper education, I would consider you more of politician than someone with actual smarts. Folks around here women included, take pride in their handling of guns and general ability to F someone up. There is no doubt in my mind that most of these folks can handle their business, not sure where your from or how folks are there, but i can vouch for this area or my friends at least.
TJ wrote:
[color=blue]Well said, Crash. You should know better than to bring actual facts to an Opinionfest, though. Besides, you will never be able to defeat frogskin in...
[color=blue]Well said, Crash. You should know better than to bring actual facts to an Opinionfest, though. Besides, you will never be able to defeat frogskin in a debate. He is a legend in his own mind...just ask him. I just hope (I really do) that he is never in a situation where he needs a weapon but doesn't have one(I hope that for everyone, really). And stop, frog, about the "hundreds of videos of blah-blah-blah". Really? Hundreds? Exaggerate much? I'm not even going to address the military comment...that's just asinine. I've actually been there and done that, and it's nothing like you "envision" it to be. Once again, you are talking about something you have no first hand knowledge of. You've made your point (whatever it is), so please move on...//TJ[/color]
Watch it TJ, he'll show your post to his wife.

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