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Pots should be careful what they say about kettles.
Pots should be careful what they say about kettles.
huh?
Pots should be careful what they say about kettles.
What exactly does Geoff do? He is a journalist for a magazine right? He doesnt actually run races or anything correct?
Pots should be careful what they say about kettles.
huh?[/quote:3nrw373k]
comeon, that shouldn't be so hard.
The irony is DC and MXGEOFF were at odds because MXGEOFF ran a three-parter on Youthstream and GL on his site. DC wanted a rebuttal on there, he was told no.
DC freaked. He thought the internet just got away from him, as if it were his to control. MXGEOFF was slammed publicly and privately. No one heard about this, but a few weeks later, DC was demanding that I change some things on a website too. I said no. Rumors went out that I was MXGEOFF 2. hmmmmmm Some people just can't handle the reality that they take up enough webspace already! (people say that about me too, but I agree with them.)
MXGEOFF is a friend and colleague of mine and I'm sick of it. DC is 100 times more tied to business interests than MXGEOFF could ever be, so he had no room to be calling MXGEOFF anything.
I hope that makes more sense.
DC would even admit he has a bias, and while he sees his bias as being the right or proper side (whether it is or isn't is your fight) to the issue, he clearly sees the NPG as being in the best interest of the fans and of course his family. It's indisputable.
So to try and call out Geoff as unbiased as a journalist is a bit hypocritical.
and yes, there should've been equal time for both sides in the back and forth...yada, yada. yada....That's understood
Always remember, like in politics, and this is politics, "Consider the source"
I agree
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Come on now people make a stand........
I don't understand what that means
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Where can you find pleasure
Search the world for treasure
Learn science, technology
Where can you begin
To make your dreams all come true
On the land or on the sea
Where can you learn to fly
Play in sports or skindive
Study oceanography
Sign up for the big band
Or sit in the grand stand
When your team and others meet
In the Navy
Yes, you can sail the seven seas
In the Navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the Navy
Come on now people make a stand........[/quote:3tmwaj8t]
Oh no.........
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Erik
Pit Row
Erik[/quote:1ux7iwj5]
That's not what he said entirely and not how it is.
Purses are paid to riders, by the teams.
They shifted the burden off the promoter, so they can focus on the total package, and onto the rider's employer, the team.
This even allows riders the ability to negotiate their purse, over and above factory and sponsor contingency.
Sponsors even pay teams bonuses based on finishes at year end.
It's simple math:
One company owns the stage
One company owns the rights and promotional aspects
One company owns the talent
Stage owner takes in the money and allows the use of the stage
The stage owner pays the rights fee to the promoter for the event and promotional, including 3 hrs of live TV and mainstream media coverage.
Because of the efforts of the promotional company including the live TV and mainstream media coverage, the owners of the talent can offer more to their sponsors and in turn receive more and more funds from their sponsors. Those additional funds pay the riders, including their team paid purse. Riders, even though they may technically be independent contractors, are essentially employees of their team.
You need to look at and understand the big picture, not the snippets certain people like to feed everyone
Also, F1 has no purse, MotoGP has no purse and other top level racing organizations have no purse, so this isn't some brainchild of YS alone
And they are assuming that journalists owe it to the fans and public to advocate changes in the sport's business.
We are here to explain and report, and carry the message of anyone in racing that has something to say about it, but it's unrealistic to expect news organizations to organize unions or whatever. We are not doing news to shove the sport around. The sport has to grow up and change itself.
News is it's own entity, free of ownership, like oxygen.
The source of that news, like oxygen, only determines its quality, but does not own or produce it.
I don't understand what that means[/quote:1vgnnhu6]
TFS was explaining awhile back about why he's now a "global" news source and how hard it was before there were 2 promoters. I was just reminding him that the fans, the true consumers of the news are the owners, not YS, the NPG, AMA, etc. He seems to be making such a big deal out of basically nothing in that regard. I realize MX is a relatively small community, but it's not a journalist's place to worry about offending someone by reporting the news. Just report the news as it happens, and let the consumer decide how to react.[/quote:1vgnnhu6]
I hear ya. There is stuff going on you never hear about that those statements were aimed at.
Fans/consumers are not and can't be "owner" of the news. No one can. The question is just who carries it. You can control it somewhat, by ignoring news sources you don't like and using the ones you do. But, that really debate that goes nowhere. Say you win-the fans "own" the news. Congrats! Now tell that to the promoters.
During the off season, I heard a manager with one promoter tell a website directly that 1) They own the news, even the results, and 2) websites are competing with them, because they declare themselves not only in the news business, but the internet business too. So it's not like I pulled that stuff out of my ass. Someone is blowing some smoke out of THEIR ass, and I was just indirectly calling BS on that right back.
What would you tell a promoter if they called you and yelled that you had "their" results on your news site, and that you are "competing?" You would laugh. I was too much in disbelief to laugh, I still can't believe I heard that, but I did. Actually I got that attitude from a couple promoters, just different wording.
What you saw as "making such a big deal out of basically nothing" we me arguing with promoters - and you would disagree with them too. It's not nothing, you just didn't hear the bullshit I heard in the off-season.
Why do I need to grind an ax with a regional problem? I'm looking at the big picture.
I will send you a coupon for your 5 minutes back. You read fast!
Thanks for ignoring the warning on the title of this thread. it said "dont read it"
So it's not that it doesn't matter it's that people who speak out get problems so they just go along with it to stay in the game.
Did you hear camel toe ? I did oh ya never happened
Erik[/quote:14jcbhw3]
That's not what he said entirely and not how it is.
Purses are paid to riders, by the teams.
They shifted the burden off the promoter, so they can focus on the total package, and onto the rider's employer, the team.
This even allows riders the ability to negotiate their purse, over and above factory and sponsor contingency.
Sponsors even pay teams bonuses based on finishes at year end.
It's simple math:
One company owns the stage
One company owns the rights and promotional aspects
One company owns the talent
Stage owner takes in the money and allows the use of the stage
The stage owner pays the rights fee to the promoter for the event and promotional, including 3 hrs of live TV and mainstream media coverage.
Because of the efforts of the promotional company including the live TV and mainstream media coverage, the owners of the talent can offer more to their sponsors and in turn receive more and more funds from their sponsors. Those additional funds pay the riders, including their team paid purse. Riders, even though they may technically be independent contractors, are essentially employees of their team.
You need to look at and understand the big picture, not the snippets certain people like to feed everyone
Also, F1 has no purse, MotoGP has no purse and other top level racing organizations have no purse, so this isn't some brainchild of YS alone[/quote:14jcbhw3]
I see where you are coming from but it just doesn't seem right to me. Here are the earnings in 1 year from the indy series and Nascar. Dave, this is the US. Here having a purse makes a difference. I guess you can say is it "justifies the series"
http://www.indycar.com/stats/winnings.php?statYear=2007
http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2007/da ... icial.html
I mean come on, this doesn't irk a couple of people. Something just rubs me the wrong way that you can't make money in this sport if you are privateer. I think if you said supercross or motocross has a 5 million dollars purse, people ears would perk up.
Erik
I'd like to have a 5 million dollar purse.
So, let's do it
But, how?
Where does it come from?
I'm all for it, just tell me how it gets done
Erik
Erik[/quote:71xq1k3z]
People have been saying that for how many years?
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