Alabama National?!?!

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zookrider62! 4/26/2010 11:04am
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Racerx twitter...

DC spent the day in Alabama w/ RC and The Bomber.... Wonder what that's all about?
it is clear to most that mx sports was moving on from glen helen after 2010. They were willing to sign a one yr contract. Glen helen wanted a 6 year contract. In your mind, it is smarter for mx sports to agree to a 6 year deal so they wouldnt have to rush a new track. How the fuck is wasting 5 years smarter then rushing 30 days?
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sc961 4/26/2010 11:07am
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flarider wrote:
Hey, DC, just give GH what they want


LOL




WORCSRacer wrote:
I am "LOL" because this is a pretty simple problem to solve and once it's solved it would allow MX Sports to move forward. Hopefully you...
I am "LOL" because this is a pretty simple problem to solve and once it's solved it would allow MX Sports to move forward. Hopefully you are not an advisor to the MX Sports brain trust. Your ego is getting in the way. You'd apparently rather see MX Sports have to oversee or construct an entirely new track at facility that has limited entrance and egress and has never held a premier Motorsports event. Now that I read that I'm "LOL" again...


Dave here's business 101 about negotiations: when you're not holding the upper hand you can bluff, fold or settle for the best deal available. Bluffing is out because that failed already. MX Sports can fold on the SoCal National which doesn't seem very smart (but IMO what is most likely if a deal isn't done in less than 30 days) or MX Sports can agree to GH's terms and go on with life as they had been knowing they have 3 years to get another venue ready. That seems to be the safest, fastest and smoothest line to me.
Worcs, although I don't know you personally I find it comical that you're giving Dave or DC a business 101 negotiation study.

Agree with their business direction or not, I'd say they've been somewhat successfull.
DirtyFilter75 4/26/2010 11:25am
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If they find an existing facility how long does it really take to pile up some dirt?

They do it every weekend for the whole supercross series.
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DirtyFilter75 wrote:
If they find an existing facility how long does it really take to pile up some dirt? They do it every weekend for the whole supercross...
If they find an existing facility how long does it really take to pile up some dirt?

They do it every weekend for the whole supercross series.
I don't think Dirt Wurx is too busy in September, do you?

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DirtyFilter75 wrote:
If they find an existing facility how long does it really take to pile up some dirt? They do it every weekend for the whole supercross...
If they find an existing facility how long does it really take to pile up some dirt?

They do it every weekend for the whole supercross series.
IMHO if they have to "pile up some dirt" to make the track, its most likely not a good property for a National.
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I just hate to see Steel City lose its National. We try to make it to both PA rounds, Red Bud, and Budds Creek almost every year. We were at Kenworthy's all the time too until it was closed which I thought was a real bummer. We are from KY so losing Kenworthy's and Steel City would suck for us.

On a side note DC, did you get any info from Jimmy Povolny or Justin Week's dad about interest in helping us out with Justin's auction?
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DirtyFilter75 wrote:
If they find an existing facility how long does it really take to pile up some dirt? They do it every weekend for the whole supercross...
If they find an existing facility how long does it really take to pile up some dirt?

They do it every weekend for the whole supercross series.
Racer92 wrote:
IMHO if they have to "pile up some dirt" to make the track, its most likely not a good property for a National.
so Jody doesn't pile up dirt at GH?
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sc961 wrote:
Worcs, although I don't know you personally I find it comical that you're giving Dave or DC a business 101 negotiation study. Agree with their business...
Worcs, although I don't know you personally I find it comical that you're giving Dave or DC a business 101 negotiation study.

Agree with their business direction or not, I'd say they've been somewhat successfull.
Glad you're having a laugh. Successful or not Dave apparently hasn't done much negotiating in his life.
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flarider wrote:
so Jody doesn't pile up dirt at GH?
Dave Im not trying to get into that pissing match and could care less where that National ends up. I was only meaning that I think a natural terrain course is best for motocross with natural elevation changes, not dirt-pile jumps (ala indoor Supercross).

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DirtyFilter75 wrote:
If they find an existing facility how long does it really take to pile up some dirt? They do it every weekend for the whole supercross...
If they find an existing facility how long does it really take to pile up some dirt?

They do it every weekend for the whole supercross series.
Racer92 wrote:
IMHO if they have to "pile up some dirt" to make the track, its most likely not a good property for a National.
flarider wrote:
so Jody doesn't pile up dirt at GH?
He doesn't make the hills that make Glen Helen what it is.
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Hey what the hell are you doing over here...Wink
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flarider wrote:
so Jody doesn't pile up dirt at GH?
Racer92 wrote:
Dave Im not trying to get into that pissing match and could care less where that National ends up. I was only meaning that I think...
Dave Im not trying to get into that pissing match and could care less where that National ends up. I was only meaning that I think a natural terrain course is best for motocross with natural elevation changes, not dirt-pile jumps (ala indoor Supercross).

While there are hills at GH, they still pile dirt.
GH is not 100% natural terrain....they still pile dirt

Now correct me if I am wrong, and assuming PALA is where the race winds up, don't they have land at the base of some hills or mountain that a new track could be located on?

and of course, they can also pile some dirt as well
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sc961 wrote:
Worcs, although I don't know you personally I find it comical that you're giving Dave or DC a business 101 negotiation study. Agree with their business...
Worcs, although I don't know you personally I find it comical that you're giving Dave or DC a business 101 negotiation study.

Agree with their business direction or not, I'd say they've been somewhat successfull.
WORCSRacer wrote:
Glad you're having a laugh. Successful or not Dave apparently hasn't done much negotiating in his life.
how on earth do you figure youre right on this? Please explain why they would sign a multi year contract for a venue they only need for one year. Why would they take a 6 yr loss over a 1 yr?
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Barber would not be a once-a-year facility for motocross. It would likely have four races each year, if it were built, plus some riding schools in the same way they do the Kevin Schwantz Superbike School.

As for building the car track out there, I didn't hear about that while I was down there but I do know that they had a fantastic crowd for their first Indy Car race, some 53,000, and they were super-pumped with that turnout.

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sc961 wrote:
Worcs, although I don't know you personally I find it comical that you're giving Dave or DC a business 101 negotiation study. Agree with their business...
Worcs, although I don't know you personally I find it comical that you're giving Dave or DC a business 101 negotiation study.

Agree with their business direction or not, I'd say they've been somewhat successfull.
WORCSRacer wrote:
Glad you're having a laugh. Successful or not Dave apparently hasn't done much negotiating in his life.
zookrider62! wrote:
how on earth do you figure youre right on this? Please explain why they would sign a multi year contract for a venue they only need...
how on earth do you figure youre right on this? Please explain why they would sign a multi year contract for a venue they only need for one year. Why would they take a 6 yr loss over a 1 yr?
Where are you getting a 6 year term from?
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flarider wrote:
so Jody doesn't pile up dirt at GH?
Racer92 wrote:
Dave Im not trying to get into that pissing match and could care less where that National ends up. I was only meaning that I think...
Dave Im not trying to get into that pissing match and could care less where that National ends up. I was only meaning that I think a natural terrain course is best for motocross with natural elevation changes, not dirt-pile jumps (ala indoor Supercross).

flarider wrote:
While there are hills at GH, they still pile dirt. GH is not 100% natural terrain....they still pile dirt Now correct me if I am wrong...
While there are hills at GH, they still pile dirt.
GH is not 100% natural terrain....they still pile dirt

Now correct me if I am wrong, and assuming PALA is where the race winds up, don't they have land at the base of some hills or mountain that a new track could be located on?

and of course, they can also pile some dirt as well
It will be PALA. I mean who else has or can come up with the infrastructure needed to pull this off? And yes there are hills to make the track out of. Not too different than Glen Helen actually...
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This is a bad picture, but you get the idea...

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WORCSRacer wrote:
Glad you're having a laugh. Successful or not Dave apparently hasn't done much negotiating in his life.
zookrider62! wrote:
how on earth do you figure youre right on this? Please explain why they would sign a multi year contract for a venue they only need...
how on earth do you figure youre right on this? Please explain why they would sign a multi year contract for a venue they only need for one year. Why would they take a 6 yr loss over a 1 yr?
WORCSRacer wrote:
Where are you getting a 6 year term from?
MXA. Might not have been 6, maybe 4, definetly more then 1 yr http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/DECIPHERING-THE-GLEN-HELEN-NATI…


5th and 6th paragraphs

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zookrider62! wrote:
how on earth do you figure youre right on this? Please explain why they would sign a multi year contract for a venue they only need...
how on earth do you figure youre right on this? Please explain why they would sign a multi year contract for a venue they only need for one year. Why would they take a 6 yr loss over a 1 yr?
WORCSRacer wrote:
Where are you getting a 6 year term from?
zookrider62! wrote:
MXA. Might not have been 6, maybe 4, definetly more then 1 yr http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/DECIPHERING-THE-GLEN-HELEN-NATI…


5th and 6th paragraphs
So another way to say it is you're pulling numbers out of your ass....

GH wanted parity with other venues which was a 3 year deal.
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WORCSRacer wrote:
Where are you getting a 6 year term from?
zookrider62! wrote:
MXA. Might not have been 6, maybe 4, definetly more then 1 yr http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/DECIPHERING-THE-GLEN-HELEN-NATI…


5th and 6th paragraphs
WORCSRacer wrote:
So another way to say it is you're pulling numbers out of your ass....

GH wanted parity with other venues which was a 3 year deal.
4 year deal, like every other track... So explain to us, oh wise one, master of negotiations, how spending money on a venue for 4 years that you only want for one year, is smarter then spending money getting a venue ready one year earlier that you will use for the next few years

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zookrider62! 4/27/2010 6:34am
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.... you there worcs?
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flarider wrote:
so Jody doesn't pile up dirt at GH?
Racer92 wrote:
Dave Im not trying to get into that pissing match and could care less where that National ends up. I was only meaning that I think...
Dave Im not trying to get into that pissing match and could care less where that National ends up. I was only meaning that I think a natural terrain course is best for motocross with natural elevation changes, not dirt-pile jumps (ala indoor Supercross).

This place has good natural terrain but all mx track require some piling of dirt!
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Drfletcher 4/28/2010 9:32am
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We need a national in the South East. I don't understand how Alabama has a couple of good tracks and Georgia (Atlanta area) has none (except one private track in Acworth). I need a road trip with my crew but which track is better Monster or Mill Creek?
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flarider 4/28/2010 9:36am
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Someone told me, Monster is closed

Anyone know if that's true?
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from Twitter on their web page...
"Track closed April 24th and 25th due to weather. 4 days ago reply"

Website looks like it being re-vamped as well.

Hopefully not, great place!

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SIMX wrote:
from Twitter on their web page... "Track closed April 24th and 25th due to weather. 4 days ago reply" Website looks like it being re-vamped as...

from Twitter on their web page...
"Track closed April 24th and 25th due to weather. 4 days ago reply"

Website looks like it being re-vamped as well.

Hopefully not, great place!

They're closed this weekend too, but Andy aka "Mr. Personality" is still answering the phone. Initial word I heard was that the place sold and it was shutting down, but I don't think thats true.

Also, I do think it's still for sale. So if any of you guys have 500k (I think thats what they were wanting, if not, someone correct me) to shell for the best MX track in the SE, have at it...and while your at it give DC a hollur and tell him your ready to work out a deal.
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Crash82 4/28/2010 10:44am
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I love the Monster, but having it at Barber would kick it up the the GP level, with the nice facilities and stuff it would sell out and insure that we get to go there every year. Millcreek and the Monster are great tracks, but it would take way too much money to make room for parking for the people and semis, it's a bit to hilly with too much clay one good rainstorm would ruin it.
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Please do not even consider Millcreek, it would be a disgrace to the state of Alabama. Monster Mountain is a far superior track than Millcreek. I choose to drive 2 1/2 hours as opposed to 45 min. to go to Monster Mountain. It is worth the drive because you never have to worry about the track conditions. Barber would be the best choice in the state of Alabama for a National. That place is definitely top notch in my book. If you have never been, you need to go. My vote goes to Barber with Monster Mountain second.

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