Is it really necessary?

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Larry wrote:
The kid in this video will be an awesome threat for a C title in his 5th year of the C class.
The kid in this video will be an awesome threat for a C title in his 5th year of the C class.
Come on Larry

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just jumping on the "let's bash the kid" band wagon.
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Is it necessary? Hell no. Neither is a Ferrari, but you bet your ass I'd have one if I could afford it.
4/22/2010 5:41pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:20pm
This guy looks like he's having fun, rides good and his life doesn't depend on results by the looks of it. Not everybody has to have a story like the Stewarts or the Alessi's.


So why the heck not, it's their money.


It's better than having to race in order to eat later that day.


(World mini results)


010 WORLD MINI GRAND PRIX - 4/12/2010 - MESQUITE, NV

Class Number Brand Moto 1 Moto 2 Class Finish

85/150 Mod 14-16 #631 SUZ 5th DNS 20th

85/150 Open Thru 16 #631 SUZ 11th 6th 8th

85/150 Stk 14-16 #631 SUZ 5th 12th 10th

SuperMini Thru 16 #631 SUZ 14th 7th 9th
4/22/2010 5:58pm
Where did anyone say you did? If your are trying to back paddle by using exact words used for an out... fine. In your title. "Is...
Where did anyone say you did?

If your are trying to back paddle by using exact words used for an out... fine.


In your title. "Is IT really necessary"


what is "it"?


I would think "it" is all of the stuff you referred to, which costs money... why am i even trying to debate here....


wheres the special olympics picture?
I was referring to all of the bikes, the trainers, the cinematographer, and so on and asking the question... Is "it" necessary to compete at an amateur level these days?

I have no reason to back peddle. I simply wanted to hear thoughts on the topic. I never once said or even inferred that it was out of line or anything bad at all. In fact, I even mentioned, I wonder if I would do the same if I could for my own son.

I will give you this one though... When I first watched the video, I did think it was a bit ridiculous, and you are damn straight I was jealous. But then I thought about it a bit further, and at that point I began to wonder if that is what it takes to compete at the amateur nationals now. At that point I decided it would be a good discussion topic here.

I don't mind debating and don't take it personally; however, I definitely don't want it to appear that I'm ripping on this kid who I don't even know. That was not the point of this thread at all. I will say, I'll be keeping my eye out on the results for Jaissac, as he's a local to me now.

Finally... drop the special ed shit. I will debate you all day long about moto and it's no sweat off my back, but making fun of someone because of a disability is childish and bullshit. Do you know how many kids out there are special ed? Did they choose to be that way? If they drank themselves into Special Ed, that would be one thing, but they didn't. For your information, I'm perfectly healthy and capable and not special ed, but I think your comment was childish bullshit.

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4/22/2010 6:07pm
Larry wrote:
The kid in this video will be an awesome threat for a C title in his 5th year of the C class.
The kid in this video will be an awesome threat for a C title in his 5th year of the C class.
jmar wrote:
Come on Larry

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just jumping on the "let's bash the kid" band wagon.
I know exactly what I am talking about.
I would never bash a kid riding a dirt bike, but I would have a load of fun bashing some dude who buys a shit load of race bikes for a kid who would rather be riding a klx110 around a sandlot with his buds.
4/22/2010 6:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:20pm
The kid holeshoted the world minis! He's pretty good.
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Where did anyone say you did? If your are trying to back paddle by using exact words used for an out... fine. In your title. "Is...
Where did anyone say you did?

If your are trying to back paddle by using exact words used for an out... fine.


In your title. "Is IT really necessary"


what is "it"?


I would think "it" is all of the stuff you referred to, which costs money... why am i even trying to debate here....


wheres the special olympics picture?
I was referring to all of the bikes, the trainers, the cinematographer, and so on and asking the question... Is "it" necessary to compete at an...
I was referring to all of the bikes, the trainers, the cinematographer, and so on and asking the question... Is "it" necessary to compete at an amateur level these days?

I have no reason to back peddle. I simply wanted to hear thoughts on the topic. I never once said or even inferred that it was out of line or anything bad at all. In fact, I even mentioned, I wonder if I would do the same if I could for my own son.

I will give you this one though... When I first watched the video, I did think it was a bit ridiculous, and you are damn straight I was jealous. But then I thought about it a bit further, and at that point I began to wonder if that is what it takes to compete at the amateur nationals now. At that point I decided it would be a good discussion topic here.

I don't mind debating and don't take it personally; however, I definitely don't want it to appear that I'm ripping on this kid who I don't even know. That was not the point of this thread at all. I will say, I'll be keeping my eye out on the results for Jaissac, as he's a local to me now.

Finally... drop the special ed shit. I will debate you all day long about moto and it's no sweat off my back, but making fun of someone because of a disability is childish and bullshit. Do you know how many kids out there are special ed? Did they choose to be that way? If they drank themselves into Special Ed, that would be one thing, but they didn't. For your information, I'm perfectly healthy and capable and not special ed, but I think your comment was childish bullshit.
That's the question i was wondering about when I saw this. Is this what it takes to go somewhere in racing?

Or can a family with a pickup and one bike still compete?

Are the kids with a ton of natural talent missing a shot if they don't have the bucks? Never get on the podium on clapped out bikes so they don't get the sponsors?

Or they simply can't travel all over the country to compete, so they never get noticed?

Seems likely to me.

But, cool for anyone that has the money and wants to do it, go for it.
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iudi2006 wrote:
The kid holeshoted the world minis! He's pretty good.
Believe the hype.
4/22/2010 6:19pm
txmxer wrote:
That's the question i was wondering about when I saw this. Is this what it takes to go somewhere in racing? Or can a family with...
That's the question i was wondering about when I saw this. Is this what it takes to go somewhere in racing?

Or can a family with a pickup and one bike still compete?

Are the kids with a ton of natural talent missing a shot if they don't have the bucks? Never get on the podium on clapped out bikes so they don't get the sponsors?

Or they simply can't travel all over the country to compete, so they never get noticed?

Seems likely to me.

But, cool for anyone that has the money and wants to do it, go for it.
My questions exactly.

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4/22/2010 6:22pm
Looks to me like the kid hauls ass, but even if he didn't, more power to the family.
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Amateur racing has changed a lot over the years. Its very hard to make it with just a couple bikes and hitting up a few nationals. People seem to forget who you are if you aren' at every Amateur national. These kids have trainers now and its more like a job for these kids. I've worked for a few kids over the past couple years and it takes a lot of $$$$ to be competitive at the Amateur level now
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4/22/2010 6:36pm
txmxer wrote:
That's the question i was wondering about when I saw this. Is this what it takes to go somewhere in racing? Or can a family with...
That's the question i was wondering about when I saw this. Is this what it takes to go somewhere in racing?

Or can a family with a pickup and one bike still compete?

Are the kids with a ton of natural talent missing a shot if they don't have the bucks? Never get on the podium on clapped out bikes so they don't get the sponsors?

Or they simply can't travel all over the country to compete, so they never get noticed?

Seems likely to me.

But, cool for anyone that has the money and wants to do it, go for it.
My questions exactly.

Talent always rises to the top, regardless of whether their bike hauler is a pickup or a Prevost Bus. In fact, the kids from families with a lot of money often figure out there is easier money to be made elsewhere and usually quit before the pros.
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I want to see the moto mom! All that is not necessary, but hey if you got it mind as well live the dreamWoohoo
4/22/2010 6:57pm
CamP wrote:
Talent always rises to the top, regardless of whether their bike hauler is a pickup or a Prevost Bus. In fact, the kids from families with...
Talent always rises to the top, regardless of whether their bike hauler is a pickup or a Prevost Bus. In fact, the kids from families with a lot of money often figure out there is easier money to be made elsewhere and usually quit before the pros.
I agree. All these guys (Mcgrath,Stewart,Villopoto,Carmichael) werent rich growing up. But they are/were the best motocross racers in the world at some point. So i also think that talent always rises to the top.
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4/22/2010 7:02pm
Larry wrote:
The kid in this video will be an awesome threat for a C title in his 5th year of the C class.
The kid in this video will be an awesome threat for a C title in his 5th year of the C class.
jmar wrote:
Come on Larry

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just jumping on the "let's bash the kid" band wagon.
Larry wrote:
I know exactly what I am talking about. I would never bash a kid riding a dirt bike, but I would have a load of fun...
I know exactly what I am talking about.
I would never bash a kid riding a dirt bike, but I would have a load of fun bashing some dude who buys a shit load of race bikes for a kid who would rather be riding a klx110 around a sandlot with his buds.
The kid in this video will be an awesome threat for a C title in his 5th year of the C class

So is the kid a C rider?

Get over it guys. They appear to be doing it on their own dime, and if their dime is bigger that other peoples dime, who cares?
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Cinematographer?
Mechanic?
Trainer?
Website that talks about him in the third person like he's some rock star?

WTF - he's only 12!

dad looks young....must have a lot of cash in that family. The Cinematographer and Mechanic look like freaks.

Hedonistic people living a life of excess....a portrait of American culture at its finest.
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The Cinematographer and Mechanic look like freaks.

Looks to me like they're keeping it fun.

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4/22/2010 7:21pm
the kid hauls ass and would more than likley smoke every dipshit in this thread
4/22/2010 7:25pm
jmar wrote:
Come on Larry

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just jumping on the "let's bash the kid" band wagon.
Larry wrote:
I know exactly what I am talking about. I would never bash a kid riding a dirt bike, but I would have a load of fun...
I know exactly what I am talking about.
I would never bash a kid riding a dirt bike, but I would have a load of fun bashing some dude who buys a shit load of race bikes for a kid who would rather be riding a klx110 around a sandlot with his buds.
jmar wrote:
[i]The kid in this video will be an awesome threat for a C title in his 5th year of the C class[/i] So is the kid...
The kid in this video will be an awesome threat for a C title in his 5th year of the C class

So is the kid a C rider?

Get over it guys. They appear to be doing it on their own dime, and if their dime is bigger that other peoples dime, who cares?
That will just about cover it! Hate on them all you want, it's not going to change a thing.
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the kid hauls ass and would more than likley smoke every dipshit in this thread
But is he core?

Which is another way of describing slow and old.Wink
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4/22/2010 7:58pm
mcphilly wrote:
the kid hauls ass and would more than likley smoke every dipshit in this thread
I think that's where the hate is coming from.
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4/22/2010 11:28pm
to me after watching that vid, all i could think of was marketing....... the kids "people" are putting this vid out in hopes that it catches the eye of some team or agent..... seems the kid is fast but not top of his class, but he's got major bling, so the vid focus's on that.. gotta get on the teams and agents radar somehow....

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4/23/2010 4:41am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:20pm
i still call bullshit.

Why even ask the question... of course it is not necessary, of course one does not need any of that to compete at the top.

... but you already knew that so....


Even if you were that naive not to know if it is neeeded, why not just write down a bunch of examples and discuss it rather than make an example out of some kid in specific?


oh, and one more thing, i have immunity on the "special ed shit"... you don't have to tell me... i don't think i have to further for you to figure out what that means. And no, i don't get offended when other people talk that way. bfd


off to work, have a good day boys
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4/23/2010 5:08am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:20pm
Sometimes rich kids get fast... Let me introduce you to Jake Nicholls, GP MX2 rider (with top 5 to his credentials)And he seems down to earth and good looking... Definitively, life is unfair...


http://video.mpora.com/watch/JtKnG0jTS/
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yeah but after greece kills the european union will rich over there mean the ability to buy name toilet paper?
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nc97 wrote:
I want to see the moto mom! All that is not necessary, but hey if you got it mind as well live the dreamWoohoo
Yea Good Point Smile Smile


"The kid holeshotted the Mini Os"

DB125 Holshotted and led A1 on a 450 whats your point ?

No Disrespect to Daniel Blair Iam HUGE fan of his
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Racing isn't " Necessary"

The level of comitment to racing is very high with this family....so what ?

Who are you to judge someone else's decicision what is necessary ?
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4/23/2010 7:54am
Spending money on your kid and his potential career: No problem.

Spending money on a film crew to produce a video of your kid as he attempts to qualify for an amateur race: Questionable

Doing it with all the attitude of an MTV production: Pointless
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jmar wrote:
But is he core?

Which is another way of describing slow and old.Wink
This is great.


For better or worse; the amateur scene is worlds different than it was 15 years ago.

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