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The only effort I'm making here is in pointing out crazy.
*DING*DING*DING*



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4/6/2010 10:21am
"I have mentioned on here many many times, that when some crazy rumor gets posted and you are trying to figure out if its fact or...
"I have mentioned on here many many times, that when some crazy rumor gets posted and you are trying to figure out if its fact or fiction, pay attention to who isn't posting more than who is."


2 very special people here. hhmmm. If I get clicked everyone, you know why...
Okay, can I play your game for a little bit? I'm going to imagine a conversation in your head...

(Sipping from a Ratio Rite, where the coffee/cream ratio is exactly 32:1)

"Whoa, Dave and GuyB sure are paying a lot of attention to me today. I must have hit a nerve. Maybe I'm on to something. Maybe they got some calls on the 'Industry Phone'. That means someone's worried about me. I must be closing in on The Truth."

"Man, this tinfoil hat is itchy."

"I know...I'll throw in a line about, 'If I get clicked, you'll know why.' I could be a martyr for the two-stroke cause. That would rule. I'd be legendary. Two-stroke guys everywhere would love me."
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4/6/2010 10:30am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:56pm
GuyB wrote:
Okay, can I play your game for a little bit? I'm going to imagine a conversation in your head... (Sipping from a Ratio Rite, where the...
Okay, can I play your game for a little bit? I'm going to imagine a conversation in your head...

(Sipping from a Ratio Rite, where the coffee/cream ratio is exactly 32:1)

"Whoa, Dave and GuyB sure are paying a lot of attention to me today. I must have hit a nerve. Maybe I'm on to something. Maybe they got some calls on the 'Industry Phone'. That means someone's worried about me. I must be closing in on The Truth."

"Man, this tinfoil hat is itchy."

"I know...I'll throw in a line about, 'If I get clicked, you'll know why.' I could be a martyr for the two-stroke cause. That would rule. I'd be legendary. Two-stroke guys everywhere would love me."
You guys are like little kids. Answer my questions so you can "out" me for lying..


Instead of just going at me personally.
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4/6/2010 10:35am
"I have mentioned on here many many times, that when some crazy rumor gets posted and you are trying to figure out if its fact or...
"I have mentioned on here many many times, that when some crazy rumor gets posted and you are trying to figure out if its fact or fiction, pay attention to who isn't posting more than who is."


2 very special people here. hhmmm. If I get clicked everyone, you know why...
GuyB wrote:
Okay, can I play your game for a little bit? I'm going to imagine a conversation in your head... (Sipping from a Ratio Rite, where the...
Okay, can I play your game for a little bit? I'm going to imagine a conversation in your head...

(Sipping from a Ratio Rite, where the coffee/cream ratio is exactly 32:1)

"Whoa, Dave and GuyB sure are paying a lot of attention to me today. I must have hit a nerve. Maybe I'm on to something. Maybe they got some calls on the 'Industry Phone'. That means someone's worried about me. I must be closing in on The Truth."

"Man, this tinfoil hat is itchy."

"I know...I'll throw in a line about, 'If I get clicked, you'll know why.' I could be a martyr for the two-stroke cause. That would rule. I'd be legendary. Two-stroke guys everywhere would love me."
Funny part is, he missed my point entirely (par for the course, I guess), in that IF he was on to something and IF there was some reality to his rantings those likely to know would be silent, not argue or try to purposely steer someone away.

When it's bullshit, those who know its bullshit usually say so

He seems to have gotten my point backwards (no surprise and again, par for the course, I guess)
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4/6/2010 10:35am
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James was awesome on a 125. But at that point the KX500 had been out of production for how many years?Also, I think he would have...
James was awesome on a 125. But at that point the KX500 had been out of production for how many years?

Also, I think he would have made that bike's steel chassis work in ways that engineers had never envisioned...and was never intended to accomodate.
Racer92 wrote:
I was referring to a CR500AF type scooter.
Right, that would have been awesome...but is that a homologated bike that could have actually been raced at that point?
4/6/2010 10:37am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:56pm
GuyB wrote:
James was awesome on a 125. But at that point the KX500 had been out of production for how many years?Also, I think he would have...
James was awesome on a 125. But at that point the KX500 had been out of production for how many years?

Also, I think he would have made that bike's steel chassis work in ways that engineers had never envisioned...and was never intended to accomodate.
Racer92 wrote:
I was referring to a CR500AF type scooter.
GuyB wrote:
Right, that would have been awesome...but is that a homologated bike that could have actually been raced at that point?
There is talk about 250cc two-strokes being able to compete head-to-head against 250cc four-strokes at the Pro Level. If the rule is approved, would the CR250AF be AMA legal to race in the Nationals?

AJ: I feel it would meet the AMA’s homologazation rules. The 500AF has gone through that process and has been approved in the past for various AMA Pro racing disciplines, that have classes in which 2 stroke 500cc motorcycles were eligible for. (and holds a few AMA National titles in those disciplines)

So I can’t see why the 250AF would not also be. The rules intent is to insure availability of the model and its parts to competitors. We produce the bike in quantity, and any rider would have the availability to all parts according to the rules intent and guidelines.

That said, before lining up a the gate of an AMA Pro racing event, the proper paperwork and approval of the model would need to be made by the AMA. In the past this has never been a problem with models we have had them look into for approval.
4/6/2010 10:39am
flarider wrote:
Funny part is, he missed my point entirely (par for the course, I guess), in that IF he was on to something and IF there was...
Funny part is, he missed my point entirely (par for the course, I guess), in that IF he was on to something and IF there was some reality to his rantings those likely to know would be silent, not argue or try to purposely steer someone away.

When it's bullshit, those who know its bullshit usually say so

He seems to have gotten my point backwards (no surprise and again, par for the course, I guess)
Right, I saw you in all the Jlaw and Alessi posts that weren't true.
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4/6/2010 10:40am
My comment above was referring to 500s, not your favorite topic... 250 to 250.
4/6/2010 10:41am
GuyB wrote:
My comment above was referring to 500s, not your favorite topic... 250 to 250.
Thus if you read, it included the 500AF

"The 500AF has gone through that process and has been approved in the past for various AMA Pro racing disciplines, that have classes in which 2 stroke 500cc motorcycles were eligible for. (and holds a few AMA National titles in those disciplines)
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4/6/2010 10:43am
GuyB wrote:
Right, that would have been awesome...but is that a homologated bike that could have actually been raced at that point?
I know this is off-topic, but according to AJ at Service Powersports (the makers of the 500AF) those bikes are homologated and legal to race in AMA Pro Racing.

As long as they are half the displacement of the four-strokes!Wink
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4/6/2010 10:45am
Right, I saw you in all the Jlaw and Alessi posts that weren't true.
Lot of threads I am not in
Lot of threads are such bullshit, no need to say anything
Lot of times, I just don't give a shit

but you keep swimmin'



Just keep swimmin', just keep swimmin'
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4/6/2010 10:47am
Thus if you read, it included the 500AF "The 500AF has gone through that process and has been approved in the past for various AMA Pro...
Thus if you read, it included the 500AF

"The 500AF has gone through that process and has been approved in the past for various AMA Pro racing disciplines, that have classes in which 2 stroke 500cc motorcycles were eligible for. (and holds a few AMA National titles in those disciplines)
Right...for various disciplines. Does that also specifically include motocross or Supercross?
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4/6/2010 10:51am
No one ever tells me shit,
If I knew shit,
I'd be sayin shit.
And all you'd be like, shit man,
That dude knows some shit
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4/6/2010 10:53am
yosmithy wrote:
No one ever tells me shit,
If I knew shit,
I'd be sayin shit.
And all you'd be like, shit man,
That dude knows some shit
No shit?
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4/6/2010 10:54am
yosmithy wrote:
No one ever tells me shit,
If I knew shit,
I'd be sayin shit.
And all you'd be like, shit man,
That dude knows some shit
Nice! That sounds like some Carlin.
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4/6/2010 11:12am
Spinner wrote:
This thread delivers. All we need now is a copy of Emig's W2.
Racer92 wrote:
Laughing
haha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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4/6/2010 11:13am
GuyB wrote:
James was awesome on a 125. But at that point the KX500 had been out of production for how many years?Also, I think he would have...
James was awesome on a 125. But at that point the KX500 had been out of production for how many years?

Also, I think he would have made that bike's steel chassis work in ways that engineers had never envisioned...and was never intended to accomodate.
Racer92 wrote:
I was referring to a CR500AF type scooter.
GuyB wrote:
Right, that would have been awesome...but is that a homologated bike that could have actually been raced at that point?
I dont have an iron in this fire Gibby, so Im not fishing at all. I guess I only meant that this issue cooks down to which powerplant to push a bike around. And while it is true that James was working double time to keep up with RC when he rode the 250 smoker, I dont think he would have if he had a comparable cc-sized powerplant and the chassis were apples-to-apples. They gave the 4-stroke a cc-advantage and it cast the 250cc smoker in a bad light. If the cc's were the same, I personally think James wouldve smoked RC like a big Macanudo cigar.

I really dont care, I have a decent smoker and not worried what they make nowadays.
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4/6/2010 11:16am
James couldnt run a cheater bike either, for fear of tear down.

Same when he was waxing all the 250Fs and cheater F bikes on a 125 smoker.



4/6/2010 11:38am
GuyB wrote:
My comment above was referring to 500s, not your favorite topic... 250 to 250.
I'd really like to know the answer to this GuyB, I'm sure you know the answer. Seriously. I'm not trying to call anyone out. Just a real question.

"It's the first time in history that I can remember, that the Pro's and the Am's had different cc rules. Do you remember any other time?"
4/6/2010 11:40am Edited Date/Time 4/6/2010 11:40am
yosmithy wrote:
No one ever tells me shit,
If I knew shit,
I'd be sayin shit.
And all you'd be like, shit man,
That dude knows some shit
Isn't that what everyone use to say about TFS? He seriously posted all info we wanted. LOL
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4/6/2010 11:55am
I'd really like to know the answer to this GuyB, I'm sure you know the answer. Seriously. I'm not trying to call anyone out. Just a...
I'd really like to know the answer to this GuyB, I'm sure you know the answer. Seriously. I'm not trying to call anyone out. Just a real question.

"It's the first time in history that I can remember, that the Pro's and the Am's had different cc rules. Do you remember any other time?"
Nope. Maybe the right hand needs to talk to the left hand.

The thing is, if they do, you might not like the answer you end up with.
4/6/2010 11:59am
I'd really like to know the answer to this GuyB, I'm sure you know the answer. Seriously. I'm not trying to call anyone out. Just a...
I'd really like to know the answer to this GuyB, I'm sure you know the answer. Seriously. I'm not trying to call anyone out. Just a real question.

"It's the first time in history that I can remember, that the Pro's and the Am's had different cc rules. Do you remember any other time?"
GuyB wrote:
Nope. Maybe the right hand needs to talk to the left hand. The thing is, if they do, you might not like the answer you end...
Nope. Maybe the right hand needs to talk to the left hand.

The thing is, if they do, you might not like the answer you end up with.
See, obviously the answer is yes it's the first time from your response. But yet you go on with the personal attacks. LOL. This is funny. I've learned that when someone is shown to be full of shit, they go after the other person with personal attacks.
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4/6/2010 12:01pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2010 12:04pm
Okay...so tell me how that even remotely relates to what we originally started talking about?

"They do, they are just mad they can't stop it. They will look like hypocrits coming back with 2007 model bikes. So how do they come back into the scene. If they would have just kept on making the same bike, like Yam, they would be fine and there never would have been this movement of "Return of the 2 stroke" But they killed them and now they are getting killed. So do they bring out the new frame model and never change a thing again? Do they bring out the old bikes that would keep them behind in times compared to KTM and Yamaha? Do they not do anything and watch the share of new bikes sales increase yearly by KTM and Yamaha? What to do... What to do..."

I'm full of shit? That was the first time I'd answered the question. I think I answered it truthfully. The reason I was nicely calling you a nut-job was because, well, I think you're a nut-job.
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4/6/2010 12:09pm
GuyB wrote:
Okay...so tell me how that even remotely relates to what we originally started talking about? "They do, they are just mad they can't stop it. They...
Okay...so tell me how that even remotely relates to what we originally started talking about?

"They do, they are just mad they can't stop it. They will look like hypocrits coming back with 2007 model bikes. So how do they come back into the scene. If they would have just kept on making the same bike, like Yam, they would be fine and there never would have been this movement of "Return of the 2 stroke" But they killed them and now they are getting killed. So do they bring out the new frame model and never change a thing again? Do they bring out the old bikes that would keep them behind in times compared to KTM and Yamaha? Do they not do anything and watch the share of new bikes sales increase yearly by KTM and Yamaha? What to do... What to do..."

I'm full of shit? That was the first time I'd answered the question. I think I answered it truthfully. The reason I was nicely calling you a nut-job was because, well, I think you're a nut-job.
How does the rules for Pro's being different from Am's relate to me saying the rules were made to kill the 2 stroke, but then now they are coming back, and OEM's said don't let them race or we will walk? Seriously, you don't get a connection there?
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4/6/2010 12:14pm
What in your statement above has anything to do with the rules for pros and amateurs being different? You were talking about manufacturers and four-stroke development. That's what we originally started discussing, and that's what I had an issue with.

You saying that the manufacturers are mad because they can't stop "it"..."it" being a Return of the two-stroke.

If I see one manufacturer return a two-stroke to their model lineup this year I'd be pretty surprised.
4/6/2010 12:19pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:56pm
GuyB wrote:
What in your statement above has anything to do with the rules for pros and amateurs being different? You were talking about manufacturers and four-stroke development...
What in your statement above has anything to do with the rules for pros and amateurs being different? You were talking about manufacturers and four-stroke development. That's what we originally started discussing, and that's what I had an issue with.

You saying that the manufacturers are mad because they can't stop "it"..."it" being a Return of the two-stroke.

If I see one manufacturer return a two-stroke to their model lineup this year I'd be pretty surprised.
It had to do with the cc for cc rule thus ams and pros are different..

2010? 2011?

Actually didn't some return 125's for the overseas series? I've heard even Honda will have one?
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4/6/2010 12:21pm
GuyB wrote:
What in your statement above has anything to do with the rules for pros and amateurs being different? You were talking about manufacturers and four-stroke development...
What in your statement above has anything to do with the rules for pros and amateurs being different? You were talking about manufacturers and four-stroke development. That's what we originally started discussing, and that's what I had an issue with.

You saying that the manufacturers are mad because they can't stop "it"..."it" being a Return of the two-stroke.

If I see one manufacturer return a two-stroke to their model lineup this year I'd be pretty surprised.
You can't stop it Guy-b , I know you will try but you just can't stop it.
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4/6/2010 12:22pm
Okay, sorry. I've proven I'm not a mind-reader.

Carry on.
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4/6/2010 12:23pm
500guy wrote:
You can't stop it Guy-b , I know you will try but you just can't stop it.
Can't stop crazy? Or the "return of the two-stroke"?
4/6/2010 12:27pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2010 12:28pm
GuyB wrote:
Okay, sorry. I've proven I'm not a mind-reader.

Carry on.
Nor I. Which year do you refer to 2010 or 2011?

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