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 Point is, I’m not keeping score and, didn’t realize it went back to 2009. Not, afraid to admit when I’m wrong either so....    The only...

 Point is, I’m not keeping score and, didn’t realize it went back to 2009. Not, afraid to admit when I’m wrong either so.... 

 

The only Holidays I pay attention to are the seven paid ones I get off each year. Carry on. * sarcasm

Hey, no worries. I assumed you had seen earlier mentions of it having existed before today. That was a core part of my explanation attempts. Personally, I’d never heard of it, and likely would not have heard of it if it hadn’t upset people this week.

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You need to make a new point. You’ve lost on this one. 

You need to make a new point. You’ve lost on this one. 
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Of all of those above, how many did Biden take the time to "declare" or speak about?

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From sitting back and trying to see the big picture, to be making the declaration on the most holy day of the year is declaring their...

From sitting back and trying to see the big picture, to be making the declaration on the most holy day of the year is declaring their hatred of Christian’s and Christianity. Romans 1:28 sums it up. 

"Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not"

I saved some the trouble 🙂

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kbsci wrote:

Not enough of them! Thanks to Biden none of us knew to be outraged at farmers, Crayola, medievalists, taters, or anesthesia techs. 

Interesting that you don't understand the issue, but not surprising. Of all of those days he could have spoken about that occurred on Easter this year, he chose to speak about the one which would generate the most controversy. 

It also shows his lack of competence. A wiser choice would have been to stay away from it totally, especially during an election year. 

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Of all of those above, how many did Biden take the time to "declare" or speak about?

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Not enough of them! Thanks to Biden none of us knew to be outraged at farmers, Crayola, medievalists, taters, or anesthesia techs. 

Lol , that list is ridiculous . If politicians are going to create that many special days … I say they have to partake and celebrate in all of them . Just a thought … 

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I don't know a single Christian who thinks a big bunny comes and leaves candy. It is an allegory. So you believe you are a good...

I don't know a single Christian who thinks a big bunny comes and leaves candy. It is an allegory.

So you believe you are a good person? What makes you good, and who decides?

I am a Christian, raised that way and also by personal choice. I do not think I am a good person. I can only try to do good things. 

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Being a person who tries to lead a good life is a better way to describe it. Good correction 👍 

I know the Bunny part is for kids and not the adults. I was just sharing that for me that’s where the questioning, and the disbelief began.

I looked up pantheism after your other comment and, at a glance, maybe. It’s something I’ll read more about. I’m not sure my belief is strong enough to put a label on it, but it’s an idea I jive with.

 

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Being a person who tries to lead a good life is a better way to describe it. Good correction 👍  I know the Bunny part is...

Being a person who tries to lead a good life is a better way to describe it. Good correction 👍 

I know the Bunny part is for kids and not the adults. I was just sharing that for me that’s where the questioning, and the disbelief began.

I looked up pantheism after your other comment and, at a glance, maybe. It’s something I’ll read more about. I’m not sure my belief is strong enough to put a label on it, but it’s an idea I jive with.

 

Just to add another thought, should you be looking for what you jive with, or for the truth? 🙂

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As we've discovered, there's good Atheists, and bad. Good Christians, and bad. Whatever makes us a better person should be the road to take. Lots of...

As we've discovered, there's good Atheists, and bad. Good Christians, and bad. Whatever makes us a better person should be the road to take. Lots of people trying to win battles instead of the war. 

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My personal belief is that we are all literally the same being. We are one distributed entity. If matter can’t be created or destroyed, and it...

My personal belief is that we are all literally the same being. We are one distributed entity.

If matter can’t be created or destroyed, and it was all made in the same celestial Big Bang or snap of God’s fingers, then everything that has ever been and ever will be just get recycled and re-made.

Our bodies grow tissue from the things our mom eats, then from what we eat. It’s a phrase thrown around without much thought but very literally you are what you eat. Plants, animals, chemicals, et al.

I think the force of life must somehow be in these things too. Your brain keeps and processes your life experiences, making you who you are, but the fuel that keeps it all running comes from all around, then goes right back into the system when we die. 

I gotta start eating better 🙂

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Interesting that you don't understand the issue, but not surprising. Of all of those days he could have spoken about that occurred on Easter this year...

Interesting that you don't understand the issue, but not surprising. Of all of those days he could have spoken about that occurred on Easter this year, he chose to speak about the one which would generate the most controversy. 

It also shows his lack of competence. A wiser choice would have been to stay away from it totally, especially during an election year. 

It’s part of the Left’s platform. I think he spoke about it to support a segment of his base, not to create controversy or deepen a divide. As mentioned somewhere in this thread, Joe Biden goes to church and the White House held an event for Easter.

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Of all of those above, how many did Biden take the time to "declare" or speak about?

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Not enough of them! Thanks to Biden none of us knew to be outraged at farmers, Crayola, medievalists, taters, or anesthesia techs. 

you dodged the pedo thing

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Just to add another thought, should you be looking for what you jive with, or for the truth? 🙂

If you tell me your faith is the truth I’m gonna roll my eyes so hard it’s gonna hurt. 

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I guess I’m an Atheist but I think religion is one of the most interesting topics in the world. You’ll find that a lot of us...

I guess I’m an Atheist but I think religion is one of the most interesting topics in the world. You’ll find that a lot of us know a lot about the subject, because a lot of us were raised inside it and began to question it.

My mom says from the time I was a toddler I was like “Really Mom? A big bunny came into our house and left candy all over it? Why?” And that questioning got applied to the rest of the story as I grew up. You feel ostracized for being the only person who doesn’t think the story adds up and you just go deeper trying to see what you’re missing. When you don’t have faith, you can’t accept the answers that require faith to make sense.

My mom would make a post like you did here. I don’t try to take away her faith, but I do remind her that you don’t need it to be a good person or set a good example. 

I don't know a single Christian who thinks a big bunny comes and leaves candy. It is an allegory. So you believe you are a good...

I don't know a single Christian who thinks a big bunny comes and leaves candy. It is an allegory.

So you believe you are a good person? What makes you good, and who decides?

I am a Christian, raised that way and also by personal choice. I do not think I am a good person. I can only try to do good things. 

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I must know too many wrong Christians. I swear they celebrate Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, etc... more than God. Thanksgiving always cracks me up. Gosh did those Indians get the shaft or what...

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you dodged the pedo thing

I’m not celebrating it this year / don’t know what you’re talking about.

Is Clams on a Half Shell a euphemism?

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kbsci wrote:

If you tell me your faith is the truth I’m gonna roll my eyes so hard it’s gonna hurt. 

It was a real question, and got an expected response. If you are just looking for what you jive with, then your lifestyle determines your morality, instead of your morality determining your lifestyle. 

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kbsci wrote:

If you tell me your faith is the truth I’m gonna roll my eyes so hard it’s gonna hurt. 

It was a real question, and got an expected response. If you are just looking for what you jive with, then your lifestyle determines your morality...

It was a real question, and got an expected response. If you are just looking for what you jive with, then your lifestyle determines your morality, instead of your morality determining your lifestyle. 

There is no truth. There is only what makes sense to us. 

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how about "Homeless People Need Help Day"..

 

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There are 365 days in a year and many of them have multiple holidays or days of recognition attached to them. Including a thing doesn’t mean...

There are 365 days in a year and many of them have multiple holidays or days of recognition attached to them. Including a thing doesn’t mean you have to exclude another thing.

A quick search says there is a Homelessness Awareness Month, and a Homeless Persons Remembrance Day (12/21): https://www.samhsa.gov/newsroom/observances/homelessness-awareness-month

For what it’s worth, a higher than average percentage of trans people, including trans youth, are homeless.

Also FWIW, there is a high rate of mental illness among trans people. Whether or not you believe they are *all* mentally ill, I don’t understand why so many of you think it’s okay to make fun of them for that. 

yet none of those choices were perceived by 70% of the population to be an attack on their religion.  seriously, you entertain the silly behavior of...

yet none of those choices were perceived by 70% of the population to be an attack on their religion.  seriously, you entertain the silly behavior of countless beliefs, religions, and cults. Why not Christians?

let's have that conversation

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FYI, Muslims do believe that Jesus Christ was raised to Heaven by God. Their story differs a bit in that his enemies didn’t kill him first...

FYI, Muslims do believe that Jesus Christ was raised to Heaven by God. Their story differs a bit in that his enemies didn’t kill him first. More like some sort of trick was played on them so that it appeared Jesus was crucified, but was not. Whether that was a body double or some or bamboozlement is open to interpretation. 

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"Unlike the Christian view of the death of Jesus, most Muslims believe he was raised to Heaven without being put on the cross and God created...

"Unlike the Christian view of the death of Jesus, most Muslims believe he was raised to Heaven without being put on the cross and God created a resemblance to appear exactly like Jesus who was crucified instead of Jesus, and he ascended bodily to Heaven, there to remain until his Second Coming in the End days."

Have you EVER criticized out loud in a public forum aspects of the Muslim faith? In this statement, you are implying that even Muslims aren't as...

Have you EVER criticized out loud in a public forum aspects of the Muslim faith? In this statement, you are implying that even Muslims aren't as mental as Christians.  DEI ok with that?

let's have that conversation

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ILoveMoto wrote:
"Unlike the Christian view of the death of Jesus, most Muslims believe he was raised to Heaven without being put on the cross and God created...

"Unlike the Christian view of the death of Jesus, most Muslims believe he was raised to Heaven without being put on the cross and God created a resemblance to appear exactly like Jesus who was crucified instead of Jesus, and he ascended bodily to Heaven, there to remain until his Second Coming in the End days."

Have you EVER criticized out loud in a public forum aspects of the Muslim faith? In this statement, you are implying that even Muslims aren't as...

Have you EVER criticized out loud in a public forum aspects of the Muslim faith? In this statement, you are implying that even Muslims aren't as mental as Christians.  DEI ok with that?

let's have that conversation

There’s zero criticism in that quote. It’s not implying anything in comparison. Both stories involve the supernatural. 

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There are 365 days in a year and many of them have multiple holidays or days of recognition attached to them. Including a thing doesn’t mean...

There are 365 days in a year and many of them have multiple holidays or days of recognition attached to them. Including a thing doesn’t mean you have to exclude another thing.

A quick search says there is a Homelessness Awareness Month, and a Homeless Persons Remembrance Day (12/21): https://www.samhsa.gov/newsroom/observances/homelessness-awareness-month

For what it’s worth, a higher than average percentage of trans people, including trans youth, are homeless.

Also FWIW, there is a high rate of mental illness among trans people. Whether or not you believe they are *all* mentally ill, I don’t understand why so many of you think it’s okay to make fun of them for that. 

yet none of those choices were perceived by 70% of the population to be an attack on their religion.  seriously, you entertain the silly behavior of...

yet none of those choices were perceived by 70% of the population to be an attack on their religion.  seriously, you entertain the silly behavior of countless beliefs, religions, and cults. Why not Christians?

let's have that conversation

What would you like to talk about? I don’t know how I’m involved in your population being offended.

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Have you EVER criticized out loud in a public forum aspects of the Muslim faith? In this statement, you are implying that even Muslims aren't as...

Have you EVER criticized out loud in a public forum aspects of the Muslim faith? In this statement, you are implying that even Muslims aren't as mental as Christians.  DEI ok with that?

let's have that conversation

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There’s zero criticism in that quote. It’s not implying anything in comparison. Both stories involve the supernatural. 

One of my doctors was Muslim and I asked him what was the difference in our religion. He said we basically have the same beliefs except the dying on the cross part. Glad I asked...

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I must know too many wrong Christians. I swear they celebrate Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, etc... more than God. Thanksgiving always cracks me...

I must know too many wrong Christians. I swear they celebrate Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, etc... more than God. Thanksgiving always cracks me up. Gosh did those Indians get the shaft or what...

I just had a talk about this with my kids yesterday. One of them asked why is Easter symbolized by the easter bunny? I explained that the way I see it is main stream society has been trying to detract from Christianity for a long time. Little by little. The easter bunny is there to distract you and especially children from the true meaning of Easter. I then asked them what is the reason for Christmas? Of course they answered "Jesus was born". But then I asked them who is the main character of Christmas when you look around at the stores, movies, cards etc.? Of course its santa. I believe St Nicholas was a real person, who did good things, but I believe Satan has progressively made it more and more about Satan Clause and less and less about Jesus. Its just one more way that Christianity is being pushed to the side. Think about it..... many many non christians celebrate Christmas. Its a Christian holiday, so why do they even celebrate it if they dont believe in the real true reason? Its been a part of our culture from the very beginning of this country (and even longer than that). They have been celebrating it with their families for generation upon generation. Once they give up on their faith they continue to celebrate, but pervert the real reason by putting another character (false idol?) in place of the real central focus Jesus Christ. I never had my children believe in santa clause even when they were little for 2 different reasons. First is that we should be focused on Jesus Christs birth and second because I dont want to lie to my children. I myself didnt believe in santa as a child (my Mom believed the same thing Im trying to explain here), and never had to "face the facts", but how do some kids feel when they learn the truth? Upset for sure! And rightfully so, how would you feel if you learned that your parents, the number one people looking out for you, have been black and white, straight up lying to you for YEARS! I think that sends the wrong message to children and degrades their trust in you. As bad as it sounds, I believe the easter bunny and santa clause are the work of the devil to intentionally distract from Christian beliefs. I dont get upset about them, or really even offer this point of view to very many, as they are pretty harmless characters and many people view it as innocent fun, but I just dont see it that way. In fact my children are about old enough I would like to start a new sort of tradition on Christmas (and probably Thanksgiving too) where we go volunteer as a family at a soup kitchen or something of the sort to help those in our community less fortunate than us. In a way sort of acting like the santa to give to those in need while focusing on the true reason for the season, Gods love for us, and trying to spread that knowledge to others through our volunteering to help. Thats the kind of belief I want my kids to have, not some sort of make believe character. No offence to anyone that see it differently, thats just what I believe, and it sort of fit into the way this conversation is going.

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yet none of those choices were perceived by 70% of the population to be an attack on their religion.  seriously, you entertain the silly behavior of...

yet none of those choices were perceived by 70% of the population to be an attack on their religion.  seriously, you entertain the silly behavior of countless beliefs, religions, and cults. Why not Christians?

let's have that conversation

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What would you like to talk about? I don’t know how I’m involved in your population being offended.

you really don't understand that ..."found the lost sock in the dryer day" has less of an impact than Easter for Christians? bullshit man

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kbsci wrote:

There is no truth. There is only what makes sense to us. 

That statement is postmodernism in a nutshell.

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Interesting that you don't understand the issue, but not surprising. Of all of those days he could have spoken about that occurred on Easter this year...

Interesting that you don't understand the issue, but not surprising. Of all of those days he could have spoken about that occurred on Easter this year, he chose to speak about the one which would generate the most controversy. 

It also shows his lack of competence. A wiser choice would have been to stay away from it totally, especially during an election year. 

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It’s part of the Left’s platform. I think he spoke about it to support a segment of his base, not to create controversy or deepen a...

It’s part of the Left’s platform. I think he spoke about it to support a segment of his base, not to create controversy or deepen a divide. As mentioned somewhere in this thread, Joe Biden goes to church and the White House held an event for Easter.

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ILoveMoto wrote:
I must know too many wrong Christians. I swear they celebrate Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, etc... more than God. Thanksgiving always cracks me...

I must know too many wrong Christians. I swear they celebrate Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, etc... more than God. Thanksgiving always cracks me up. Gosh did those Indians get the shaft or what...

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I just had a talk about this with my kids yesterday. One of them asked why is Easter symbolized by the easter bunny? I explained that...

I just had a talk about this with my kids yesterday. One of them asked why is Easter symbolized by the easter bunny? I explained that the way I see it is main stream society has been trying to detract from Christianity for a long time. Little by little. The easter bunny is there to distract you and especially children from the true meaning of Easter. I then asked them what is the reason for Christmas? Of course they answered "Jesus was born". But then I asked them who is the main character of Christmas when you look around at the stores, movies, cards etc.? Of course its santa. I believe St Nicholas was a real person, who did good things, but I believe Satan has progressively made it more and more about Satan Clause and less and less about Jesus. Its just one more way that Christianity is being pushed to the side. Think about it..... many many non christians celebrate Christmas. Its a Christian holiday, so why do they even celebrate it if they dont believe in the real true reason? Its been a part of our culture from the very beginning of this country (and even longer than that). They have been celebrating it with their families for generation upon generation. Once they give up on their faith they continue to celebrate, but pervert the real reason by putting another character (false idol?) in place of the real central focus Jesus Christ. I never had my children believe in santa clause even when they were little for 2 different reasons. First is that we should be focused on Jesus Christs birth and second because I dont want to lie to my children. I myself didnt believe in santa as a child (my Mom believed the same thing Im trying to explain here), and never had to "face the facts", but how do some kids feel when they learn the truth? Upset for sure! And rightfully so, how would you feel if you learned that your parents, the number one people looking out for you, have been black and white, straight up lying to you for YEARS! I think that sends the wrong message to children and degrades their trust in you. As bad as it sounds, I believe the easter bunny and santa clause are the work of the devil to intentionally distract from Christian beliefs. I dont get upset about them, or really even offer this point of view to very many, as they are pretty harmless characters and many people view it as innocent fun, but I just dont see it that way. In fact my children are about old enough I would like to start a new sort of tradition on Christmas (and probably Thanksgiving too) where we go volunteer as a family at a soup kitchen or something of the sort to help those in our community less fortunate than us. In a way sort of acting like the santa to give to those in need while focusing on the true reason for the season, Gods love for us, and trying to spread that knowledge to others through our volunteering to help. Thats the kind of belief I want my kids to have, not some sort of make believe character. No offence to anyone that see it differently, thats just what I believe, and it sort of fit into the way this conversation is going.

That was a great post and I wholeheartedly agree on those things distracting us from God. The list is a mile long especially in a country as wealthy and with many freedoms as compared to others. But as we've learned, freedom and wealth can lead one to sin, just as quick as restrictions and poverty. You sound like a great person!

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Lots of good points and counterpoints in here today. Good job guys 🏆

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kbsci wrote:

There is no truth. There is only what makes sense to us. 

That statement is postmodernism in a nutshell.

Pedophilia is wrong - do you consider that a truth, or is it acceptable to you if it makes sense?

Rape is wrong - do you consider that a truth, or is it acceptable to you if it makes sense?

How about murder? Racism?

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Interesting that you don't understand the issue, but not surprising. Of all of those days he could have spoken about that occurred on Easter this year...

Interesting that you don't understand the issue, but not surprising. Of all of those days he could have spoken about that occurred on Easter this year, he chose to speak about the one which would generate the most controversy. 

It also shows his lack of competence. A wiser choice would have been to stay away from it totally, especially during an election year. 

kbsci wrote:
It’s part of the Left’s platform. I think he spoke about it to support a segment of his base, not to create controversy or deepen a...

It’s part of the Left’s platform. I think he spoke about it to support a segment of his base, not to create controversy or deepen a divide. As mentioned somewhere in this thread, Joe Biden goes to church and the White House held an event for Easter.

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I don't know ifthat's a guy or a girl but he/she is way too old for Joe 🥴

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Pedophilia is wrong - do you consider that a truth, or is it acceptable to you if it makes sense? Rape is wrong - do you...

Pedophilia is wrong - do you consider that a truth, or is it acceptable to you if it makes sense?

Rape is wrong - do you consider that a truth, or is it acceptable to you if it makes sense?

How about murder? Racism?

I believe that pedophilia, rape, murder and racism are wrong. I believe that makes sense to most people. It doesn’t make sense to all people. I disagree with people who think those things aren’t wrong. 

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I believe that pedophilia, rape, murder and racism are wrong. I believe that makes sense to most people. It doesn’t make sense to all people. I...

I believe that pedophilia, rape, murder and racism are wrong. I believe that makes sense to most people. It doesn’t make sense to all people. I disagree with people who think those things aren’t wrong. 

But that changes based on the number of people who it does or does not make sense to. It also means that you'd have to acknowledge those who do think they are acceptable and consider their arguments. If they make a sensible argument you'd have to accept it. In your case the only thing that determines right and wrong is consensus. 

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But that changes based on the number of people who it does or does not make sense to. It also means that you'd have to acknowledge...

But that changes based on the number of people who it does or does not make sense to. It also means that you'd have to acknowledge those who do think they are acceptable and consider their arguments. If they make a sensible argument you'd have to accept it. In your case the only thing that determines right and wrong is consensus. 

I described what I believe and alluded to the existence of murders, rapists and pedophiles who think they’ve done nothing wrong. Where are you getting that I’m considering any consensus in defining my morals?

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