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Fascinating interview of a truly brave American athlete that exposes the absolute maniacs Liberals have become that support this nonsense of biological men competing in biological womens sports and the sacrifices and determination she made to compete at the highest levels of her lifelong sport. If you're a Liberal and you don't question at least a little how ridiculous this woke ideology all is, you're beyond help
100% on Riley's side. The NCAA needs to strip Lia Thomas of "her" medals and award them to the rightful owners.
"Fair Play: How Sports Shape the Gender Debates" by Katie Barnes was a pretty interesting read. It made me rethink some of my stances and I learned a lot about the subject I previously had no idea about. I'd wager some people here would find it interesting.
Yep, I watched that one last week and the one she did with Jordan Peterson a couple months back. The whole thing is shocking isn't it? Who would have ever thought that this could happen? Letting a man in a female locker room to change with women and then when the females protest, the powers that be tell them they need re-education and that it is their problem?
The folks who are in charge at our universities are supposed to be smart eh? Isn't common sense a factor in intelligence anymore or is it just a hindrance?
Lot of question marks.
Here's her experience at San Francisco U.
It was a good episode. I find it hard to comprehend what students are being exposed to and taught in school today, how are parents OK with this?
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Katie Barnes - they/them/there
Someone who believes that gender is a social construct is not someone who's opinion I care to know.
Cool.
I think the craziest thing of all is that the feminists are so pro woman now, that they are actually against women if that makes sense. They are so pro equality for woman, that they let a dude compete against them. All in the name of equality.
It’s completely absurd . There is absolute zero logic to it . It’s like a snake eating it’s tail . wtf …
BBN
*Someone who believes that gender is a social construct while simultaneously believing women are treated unfairly
Let’s hear the short version that got you to change your stance then. I’m with the inflammable here. Girls have a vagina and boys have a penis. No inbetweens or whichever whack job variance they create.
Katie takes a deeper dive into a lot of the situations that have come up over the decades on this topic than the headlines most people base their opinions on. Including Lia Thomas, Riley Gaines, and the rest of their competitors. Katie does a good job of reminding the reader that these athletes are human, and they are often kids that are just trying to find their way. Being co-opted into some movement is the furthest thing from their minds. They just want to play sports.
It goes through a lot of the physiological and the performance aspects of transitioning at different ages. It actually isn't even mostly about trans athletes. It is mostly about the difference between men's and women's sports. That was the big part that I changed my stance on. I had previously thought sports should not be separated into separate leagues based on gender, but Katie's book really highlighted why that is the case and why it is necessary in so many cases.
I don't know what 'being with inflammable' has to do with anything I said. Being prejudiced against an author because of their personal life seems like a cop out to me. Katie is a sports writer for ESPN, wrote a good book on the subject, and as long as you are up-to-date on your cootie shots, I think y'all can avoid being turned trans from reading it.
I think you read the wrong book.
If they just want to play sports, then why can't they remain in the biological (sex at birth) division, especially for men transitioning to women.
If they just want to play sports, that implies that the act of playing is more important than the outcome.
"If they just want to play sports, then why can't they remain in the biological (sex at birth) division, especially for men transitioning to women."
Many do. Sometimes the sports by-laws don't allow that, though. The book goes into it at depth.
"If they just want to play sports, that implies that the act of playing is more important than the outcome."
Uh.....yeah, exactly. It's youth and amateur sports, bud. It is supposed to be about playing a game or competing for fun.
This book: “Raising Empowered Athletes: A Youth Sports Parenting Guide for Raising Happy, Brave, and Resilient Kids” by Kirsten Jones was a good read. It opened my eyes to how ridiculous the world of youth sports has become with regard to what parents and coaches are doing to children for the sake of winning. It's kinda weird to think of how it applies to moto, too.
There's no need to read a book on what youth sports has become. One only has to be mildly observant and have some degree of critical thinking ability.
"If they just want to play sports, that implies that the act of playing is more important than the outcome."
Uh.....yeah, exactly. It's youth and amateur sports, bud. It is supposed to be about playing a game or competing for fun.
That was my point.
Did you listen to the Riley Gaines podcast, or any part of it? She details an event where there were 6 normal biological women competing with Lia Thomas, a trans- woman but fully presenting as a male but wearing a one-piece swimsuit, and a trans-man wearing a Speedo and no top, as a man would. I believe she mentioned the trans-man had undergone some transition surgery and was also on testosterone. Perhaps is trans folks want to still play sports, they should have their own category and compete against each other only.
listening now, she's got some huge balls (pun intended)
How about :
Stock female - run what you were born with
Stock male - same as above
Modified - anything goes, PE drugs legal, have all the surgeries you want, etc
Pit Row
Lol . Years and years ago , SNL did a skit called the All Drug Olympics … modified class would work too .
Recent study that shows that, when controlled for additional mental health issues, trans folks are not at an elevated risk of suicide.
https://mentalhealth.bmj.com/content/27/1/e300940.full
That's fine. I'm sure many would gladly participate and appreciate the opportunity to compete without the controversy.
The fact is Lia competed according to the NCAA's rules, delayed competing during the transition, and only started competing in women's events after they gave the OK.
There are countless other stories that aren't in the headlines too. There are biological women being barred from sports due to naturally high testosterone levels, kids are being prevented from participating in sports because of arbitrary rules that shouldn't apply to them.
I understand people want things to be very cut and dry, but there is more to it than "man have penis, woman have vagina", and the issues of gender and sports are not limited to just trans athletes. There is much more nuance if you get past the headlines.
You are taking the approach that because something isn't fair for a very few, it is ok to turn the whole process of competition on its head to disrupt it for everybody.
Lia had the benefit of puberty while being male. "She" is as much as 70% stronger than a natural-born female because of that growth period. "She" does not belong in women's sport, full stop.
The solution is as obvious as it is breathtakingly simple: just open a new class for trans competitors. All this hassle will go away.
No I'm not. What makes you think I've taken that stance?
The words you typed.
Well then I've either written them poorly or you've made assumptions. Re-reading them, I can't figure out how my words would've led to that conclusion.
I, in fact, explicitly stated that my opinion had changed in the direction of: men and women should be separated into different competitive divisions.
"...There are countless other stories that aren't in the headlines too. There are biological women being barred from sports due to naturally high testosterone levels, kids are being prevented from participating in sports because of arbitrary rules that shouldn't apply to them...." -MotoTribology
And no, there is no need to complicate the topic by saying there is "nuance". Riley was fucked over . There is no nuance.
Its a pet peeve of mine when folks try to over complicate a subject, thinking that they are doing some deep dive into some knowledge that others are just to caveman to see.
OK cool. You must have read something in those books that was thought provoking and you tried sharing it with us and because we did not read the books we dont fully get it.
How does me pointing out that: biological women are being negatively affected by rules that should not apply to them, and children who just want to have fun playing a sport but are being denied the opportunity; is me saying it is ok to turn the process of competition on it's head.
I guess that was my mistake.
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