Prado to Monster Energy Kawasaki for 2025?

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he is a red bull guy, and I dont think the Austrians will let him go

Just because he rides for a Red Bull team that doesn’t make him a Red Bull athlete. Kenny is a true Red Bull athlete. 

Jorge is a Red Bull athlete. Has been since on 65s

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Prado is dreaming, he is WAY off the pace in SX. Even if he was a top 5 MX I don't see him getting a good...

Prado is dreaming, he is WAY off the pace in SX. Even if he was a top 5 MX I don't see him getting a good ride. Then if he gets hurt in SX....

Top 5 in MX? He’s likely the national champ in 25 if he comes over

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What? I do not see that happening his first year here with new tracks, different track prep for bike setup, different schedule, and the likes of...

What? I do not see that happening his first year here with new tracks, different track prep for bike setup, different schedule, and the likes of Jett, Chase and co? Sorry mate 

Agreed.

Prado in the 450 class is about equal to vialle in the 250 class.

And look how vialle went in the nationals. 

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The bet with Prado has to be similar to Tortelli, Albertyn, etc. in the past - survive SX and win the outdoor title. 
 

And now, with SMX, the tracks may continue to be enough of a hybrid to give him a punchers chance for the playoffs. 
 

Prado could win you a race outdoors. Who else is available that could?

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1/29/2024 7:17pm
Prado is dreaming, he is WAY off the pace in SX. Even if he was a top 5 MX I don't see him getting a good...

Prado is dreaming, he is WAY off the pace in SX. Even if he was a top 5 MX I don't see him getting a good ride. Then if he gets hurt in SX....

Top 5 in MX? He’s likely the national champ in 25 if he comes over

That’s like everyone saying last year Tom V if he survived sx would be 250 national champ since he won the two previous mx2 world titles. Well he did survive and only won one outdoor race and didn’t win the title . 

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I think it’s pretty easy to say that Prado will have US offers from Factory Kawi and the Austrian trio (probably for KTM). Yamaha would depend...

I think it’s pretty easy to say that Prado will have US offers from Factory Kawi and the Austrian trio (probably for KTM). Yamaha would depend on if Eli decides to go one more year. Webb is on for three years and Jcoop is a one year deal but has clauses in his contract to activate another year if he meets certain requirements.

Honda would be full.

Can’t imagine that Prado would seriously consider an offer from HEP with other major options on the table.

Lewis brought up an interesting point, what if Ducati takes a big run at him to stay in MXGP one more year as their debut guy and then go US? Money could be big but would he want to risk it and wait a whole extra year to come to the US…or just come here next year on a proven program.

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You think Factory teams are impressed about a guy who holeshots and has a tough time getting a top 10 in a Triple Crown moto or...

You think Factory teams are impressed about a guy who holeshots and has a tough time getting a top 10 in a Triple Crown moto or a guy who got lapped in every time in a regular SX main other than in the mud in San Fran which was 5 minute shorter?

He started up front Saturday and finished 33 seconds behind Sexton on the same bike in a 12 minute moto. That's basically 3 seconds off per minute. His races look very Friese-like to me, starts up front, gets passed while riding extremely defensive (ask Ken and Jett what they think. They got stuffed pretty good saturday).

He'll be better next year but can he be a podium guy or even top 5 in 1 off season? That seems like a stretch. I would think Factory team would like to have a potential top 5 guy. 

Also, I would think that financially, he would get better offers from the KTGasKy group for service rendered but is he willing to get a huge pay cut to race somewhere else? His value in the US today has to be like a 3rd factory guy, like JCoop or top privateer guy like Dylan. I doubt they make a quarter of what he's making today... 

I see a lot of hype but his performances were very underwhelming from my perspective...

Do you have insider info on what Prado's goals were for his Supercross racing? I would speculate that not getting injured was a top priority.

The Peacock broadcast didn't show the Prado episodes you mention with Ken and Jett.

I could see a Factory Team giving him some serious money just because of how young he is and his resume. From the perspective of Jumping right into the 450 class with zero experience, Prado did pretty darn well.

Appreciate you sharing your perspective, DV, not many AMA pro's tolerate fools as well as you do by coming in here and Bench racing with us

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If it hasn’t already been stated here, Plessinger is most likely to end up back at Star, so there’s one less US based Peirer group rider once his current contract is up.

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1/29/2024 10:24pm
Renner153 wrote:

Jorge is a Red Bull athlete. Has been since on 65s

Does that mean he’s been a Red Bull athlete longer than Roczen? I’m pretty sure Kenny said he is one of the longest serving Red Bull athletes. He said there’s a skateboard guy (I think) who’s been with them slightly longer. 

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1/29/2024 10:29pm Edited Date/Time 1/29/2024 10:33pm
Does that mean he’s been a Red Bull athlete longer than Roczen? I’m pretty sure Kenny said he is one of the longest serving Red Bull...

Does that mean he’s been a Red Bull athlete longer than Roczen? I’m pretty sure Kenny said he is one of the longest serving Red Bull athletes. He said there’s a skateboard guy (I think) who’s been with them slightly longer. 

Pretty sure Red Bull signed Prado after he won 65cc world juniors in 2011 (although I'd need to check photos if he was on it during that race)... 

Roczen has been on Red Bull since at least 2008

EDIT: Prado wasn't on Red Bull on 65cc world juniors so probably signed for them after that race, when he moved up to 85cc

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1/29/2024 10:41pm
Does that mean he’s been a Red Bull athlete longer than Roczen? I’m pretty sure Kenny said he is one of the longest serving Red Bull...

Does that mean he’s been a Red Bull athlete longer than Roczen? I’m pretty sure Kenny said he is one of the longest serving Red Bull athletes. He said there’s a skateboard guy (I think) who’s been with them slightly longer. 

ayearinmx wrote:
Pretty sure Red Bull signed Prado after he won 65cc world juniors in 2011 (although I'd need to check photos if he was on it during...

Pretty sure Red Bull signed Prado after he won 65cc world juniors in 2011 (although I'd need to check photos if he was on it during that race)... 

Roczen has been on Red Bull since at least 2008

EDIT: Prado wasn't on Red Bull on 65cc world juniors so probably signed for them after that race, when he moved up to 85cc

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Yep, pretty sure Prado signed a multiple year deal to ride for Red Bull KTM when he went to 85’s. 
 

The point I’m trying to make is, just because a ride rides for a team that’s sponsored by Red Bull, it doesn’t necessarily been they are personally sponsored by Red Bull like Kenny is. Paul’s Jonas was personally sponsored by Red Bull for many years after he left the factory team but will not be wearing their colours this year. 

1/29/2024 11:56pm

Serious question: Do you consciously ignore his MX skills? Or do you think he will also underwhelm you there?

dv12.com wrote:
The USA is a country based on SX abilities and results. If you’re a MX specialist you should race MXGP. Dylan is an USMX 450 Champion...

The USA is a country based on SX abilities and results. If you’re a MX specialist you should race MXGP. Dylan is an USMX 450 Champion with limited SX 450 results and he’s now a privateer and here in the USA, we value a USMX 450 title higher than a MXGP championship. That should tell you everything you need to know. The short version, we don’t give a shit about your MXGP titles if you can’t make the top 5 in SX. It’s harsh but it’s the way it is… 

Thank you for your reply DV. Made me really think about it. Me as a an Europese MX/SX fan thought that with completely no SX background and +/- 1 month prep + another continent /format etc top 10 in isn't so bad. But guess well know more in 2025. 

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NP301 wrote:

As much as I love AP, unless he wins this supercross title. I'd rather have the reigning world champ then him on the roster.

Ap's resume is as good as prados. 2 time regional sx chanp, 250 national champ who could have been also a 2x 250 champ had he...

Ap's resume is as good as prados. 2 time regional sx chanp, 250 national champ who could have been also a 2x 250 champ had he not move to factory yamaha and done a 450 sx 250 national year. Prados great but lets not count our guys out either. Ap, dylan, anderson and AC are gonna turn a few heads this year outdoors.

It doesn't change my comment. if AP is top 3 in standings the yes keep him over prado... but choosing the guy with under 5 wins over the world champ.. cmon

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NP301 wrote:

As much as I love AP, unless he wins this supercross title. I'd rather have the reigning world champ then him on the roster.

Ap's resume is as good as prados. 2 time regional sx chanp, 250 national champ who could have been also a 2x 250 champ had he...

Ap's resume is as good as prados. 2 time regional sx chanp, 250 national champ who could have been also a 2x 250 champ had he not move to factory yamaha and done a 450 sx 250 national year. Prados great but lets not count our guys out either. Ap, dylan, anderson and AC are gonna turn a few heads this year outdoors.

NP301 wrote:
It doesn't change my comment. if AP is top 3 in standings the yes keep him over prado... but choosing the guy with under 5 wins...

It doesn't change my comment. if AP is top 3 in standings the yes keep him over prado... but choosing the guy with under 5 wins over the world champ.. cmon

And for record I about cried when AP got his victory. love the guy, but business is business

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Does that mean he’s been a Red Bull athlete longer than Roczen? I’m pretty sure Kenny said he is one of the longest serving Red Bull...

Does that mean he’s been a Red Bull athlete longer than Roczen? I’m pretty sure Kenny said he is one of the longest serving Red Bull athletes. He said there’s a skateboard guy (I think) who’s been with them slightly longer. 

ayearinmx wrote:
Pretty sure Red Bull signed Prado after he won 65cc world juniors in 2011 (although I'd need to check photos if he was on it during...

Pretty sure Red Bull signed Prado after he won 65cc world juniors in 2011 (although I'd need to check photos if he was on it during that race)... 

Roczen has been on Red Bull since at least 2008

EDIT: Prado wasn't on Red Bull on 65cc world juniors so probably signed for them after that race, when he moved up to 85cc

Screenshot 20240130 063200 YouTube

Yep, pretty sure Prado signed a multiple year deal to ride for Red Bull KTM when he went to 85’s.    The point I’m trying to...

Yep, pretty sure Prado signed a multiple year deal to ride for Red Bull KTM when he went to 85’s. 
 

The point I’m trying to make is, just because a ride rides for a team that’s sponsored by Red Bull, it doesn’t necessarily been they are personally sponsored by Red Bull like Kenny is. Paul’s Jonas was personally sponsored by Red Bull for many years after he left the factory team but will not be wearing their colours this year. 

Easy way to know who is a Red Bull athlete and who is on a Red Bull team….look at the helmet. Those that have a Red Bull “can” themed helmet are Red Bull athletes. The ones that just have it on the chin bar are team deals. I think monster is similar as well.

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he is a red bull guy, and I dont think the Austrians will let him go

Just because he rides for a Red Bull team that doesn’t make him a Red Bull athlete. Kenny is a true Red Bull athlete. 

Renner153 wrote:

Jorge is a Red Bull athlete. Has been since on 65s

Remember when he was a ‘Rookie Bull’? That fad didn’t last long. 

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