Coop/Aldon

Silas444 wrote:

I wonder if it actually physically hurts to have a brain so riddled with nonsense.  To be clear: O'Mara was a known quantity when Honda signed...

I wonder if it actually physically hurts to have a brain so riddled with nonsense. 

To be clear: O'Mara was a known quantity when Honda signed him, his success with Mugen (a company owned by Mister Honda's son) was not a secret. In fact, he'd already won the U.S. 125 Grand Prix. Chuck Sun was already a factory Husky rider on the same team that produced Howerton when Honda came knocking, and Bailey's potential was clear to all back when he was a very young factory Bultaco rider.

You can't hire everyone, can you?

To be clear: Dungey was a wet-behind-the-ears runt when DeCoster signed him to Suzuki. No one could figure out why...... 'till he started winning. Coop was a down and out failure and DeCoster signed him to KTM anyway. No one could figure out why....... 'till he started winning.

You can't win them all, can you?

These silly threads produce the same old crap over and over again. Guys who have barely a clue how much impact DeCoster has had, or how incredibly talented he is at a multitude of things, pick someone to compare him to and just roll with it. It's called ENVY. It's not a good thing to have. Turn inward, and wrench on thy inner self instead. The weirdest thing of all this is, anyone who actually knows DeCoster's life story knows his biggest accomplishment is his total lack of bitterness. He was shit on time after time after time by people who owed so much of their success to him, and every time, he just shrugged and found another way. 

UpTiTe wrote:

Nonsense, lol, I’ll break it all down so it’s easy to follow. I knew exactly what O’mara was offered, and Honda was the only factory offer...

Nonsense, lol, I’ll break it all down so it’s easy to follow. I knew exactly what O’mara was offered, and Honda was the only factory offer he had. Yes, the GP helped him gain recognition, but he was already talking to Honda by then. Yes, Mugen was/is owned by Hondas son, but Honda or Mugen had nothing to do with Johnny riding them, that was all Al Baker. In fact, Johnny wasn’t even considered for the Mugen job until Al got the rights to import them, Mugen had a Japanese rider lined up. 
 

 Chuck had zero interest from American teams and was going to race GPs until Arnold came knocking. 
 

 Kawasaki was going to Bailey on a support ride with factory bikes because they had a full team.

 

 Dungey is the one that makes me lol the most because NOBODY has a clue how Roger got him, they think he was hand picked out of the B class by Roger, wrong.  
 

  Ole Gress had been grooming Ryan and his brother for years, Roger had no idea who he was. Cole even brought Ryan to Roger, but he didn’t know who he was so he chose Brian Gray(rip) and Izzy. Roger had no idea who Ryan was until Cole Gress and another guy, whose name is escaping me now brought him to Glennhellen to test for the Rockstar Suzuki team   That’s when Roger took notice because he was faster than the two factory guys testing for Roger that day  

 

 As far as me finding flaws because I’m envious, naw, I wouldn’t want Rogers personal life at all, and I’ve done fairly well for myself. I say this stuff only when people say he is the greatest bla bla bla.
 

Great? For sure, greatest team manager, that would go to Dave Arnold, he built an empire that lasted 15 years and won more titles in that span than any manager in history and taught Roger everything he knows about chassis’s. 
 

 

DonM wrote:

I agree with you on Arnold, Jeff Stanton was probably his greatest find by plucking him off a Yam support ride....but you do come off as...

I agree with you on Arnold, Jeff Stanton was probably his greatest find by plucking him off a Yam support ride....but you do come off as having a hard on for Roger...Pretty sure Cole pushed both Izzy and Grey to him also....did something happen between the two of you for him to earn the discredit you give him? I have great respect for both.

UpTiTe wrote:

Nonsense, lol, I’ll break it all down so it’s easy to follow. I knew exactly what O’mara was offered, and Honda was the only factory offer...

Nonsense, lol, I’ll break it all down so it’s easy to follow. I knew exactly what O’mara was offered, and Honda was the only factory offer he had. Yes, the GP helped him gain recognition, but he was already talking to Honda by then. Yes, Mugen was/is owned by Hondas son, but Honda or Mugen had nothing to do with Johnny riding them, that was all Al Baker. In fact, Johnny wasn’t even considered for the Mugen job until Al got the rights to import them, Mugen had a Japanese rider lined up. 
 

 Chuck had zero interest from American teams and was going to race GPs until Arnold came knocking. 
 

 Kawasaki was going to Bailey on a support ride with factory bikes because they had a full team.

 

 Dungey is the one that makes me lol the most because NOBODY has a clue how Roger got him, they think he was hand picked out of the B class by Roger, wrong.  
 

  Ole Gress had been grooming Ryan and his brother for years, Roger had no idea who he was. Cole even brought Ryan to Roger, but he didn’t know who he was so he chose Brian Gray(rip) and Izzy. Roger had no idea who Ryan was until Cole Gress and another guy, whose name is escaping me now brought him to Glennhellen to test for the Rockstar Suzuki team   That’s when Roger took notice because he was faster than the two factory guys testing for Roger that day  

 

 As far as me finding flaws because I’m envious, naw, I wouldn’t want Rogers personal life at all, and I’ve done fairly well for myself. I say this stuff only when people say he is the greatest bla bla bla.
 

Great? For sure, greatest team manager, that would go to Dave Arnold, he built an empire that lasted 15 years and won more titles in that span than any manager in history and taught Roger everything he knows about chassis’s. 
 

 

Money wrote:

Rog is saying that because they are too full of them selves to swallow their pride and admit the bike was not where it needed to...

Rog is saying that because they are too full of them selves to swallow their pride and admit the bike was not where it needed to be.  The amount of money that Aldon has gotten from KTM is unreal. I would be that ktm has funded most of that facility. 

UpTiTe wrote:

Dave Arnold took huge chances on guys because he saw potential and brought it out, Decoster hires guys who have won.     In the early 80s...

Dave Arnold took huge chances on guys because he saw potential and brought it out, Decoster hires guys who have won. 
 

 In the early 80s, nobody was offering Donnie Hansen, Johnny O’mara, Chuck Sun, or Magoo jobs, except Dave Arnold. Wven Bailey was only offered a Kawasaki support ride, but Arnold saw the potential.
Who in their right mind saw Micky Dymond winning 2 125 titles after being an 8-10 place 500 guy besides Dave Arnold?  Nobody was going after McGrath when Arnold offered him a 125 factory ride. 
 

 Yes, we can give credit to Decoster for bringing in JMB, when Arnold didn’t want him, but was that really a success? 
 

 He did a great job at stealing Dungey away from another team, and taking credit for it.