One last thread from me on Healthcare (today)

Larry
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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 4:47pm
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield.
They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits which they pay about $10.00 a piece for.
My premium goes up 27% effective Oct 1.
Bastards.
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Larry wrote:
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield. They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits...
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield.
They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits which they pay about $10.00 a piece for.
My premium goes up 27% effective Oct 1.
Bastards.
But they're just trying to help!
Larry
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8/27/2009 12:37pm
Larry wrote:
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield. They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits...
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield.
They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits which they pay about $10.00 a piece for.
My premium goes up 27% effective Oct 1.
Bastards.
Nerd wrote:
But they're just trying to help!
Themselves!
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Larry wrote:
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield. They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits...
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield.
They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits which they pay about $10.00 a piece for.
My premium goes up 27% effective Oct 1.
Bastards.
Nerd wrote:
But they're just trying to help!
Themselves!
Larry
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8/27/2009 12:46pm
and your plan is to piss bitch and moan about everything because no one else is as smart as you.
You grow tiresome sometimes.

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I'm not a Democrat.

Ask Ron Paul what he thinks, but just don't hope to find any consistency of thought from one thing to the next.
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Larry wrote:
and your plan is to piss bitch and moan about everything because no one else is as smart as you.
You grow tiresome sometimes.
And your plan is?
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Nerd wrote:
I'm not a Democrat.

Ask Ron Paul what he thinks, but just don't hope to find any consistency of thought from one thing to the next.
I know Paul thinks. He's a HELL of a lot closer to a solution than you socialists.
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THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, IT IS PERFECTLY FINE AS IS.




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flarider wrote:
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, IT IS PERFECTLY FINE AS IS.




It isn't perfect...But does it NEED to be fixed? And I still don't understand why the government feels its their job to fix it.

If you can't afford health insurance, you die. There are worse things...and everyone is going to do it some day anyway....No reason for the government to ruin the country trying to fix it, when it isn't their responsibility to fix it in the first place, and all they're really doing is prolonging the inevitable (death).

This country could probably use some "thinning of the flock" anyway...natural selection or whatever Darwin called it...the weak, geneticaly deficient, and sick will die...the healthy, and strong will live and reproduce and pass their strong genetics to their offspring thus resulting in a healthier human race.
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flarider wrote:
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, IT IS PERFECTLY FINE AS IS.




Titan wrote:
It isn't perfect...But does it NEED to be fixed? And I still don't understand why the government feels its their job to fix it. If you...
It isn't perfect...But does it NEED to be fixed? And I still don't understand why the government feels its their job to fix it.

If you can't afford health insurance, you die. There are worse things...and everyone is going to do it some day anyway....No reason for the government to ruin the country trying to fix it, when it isn't their responsibility to fix it in the first place, and all they're really doing is prolonging the inevitable (death).

This country could probably use some "thinning of the flock" anyway...natural selection or whatever Darwin called it...the weak, geneticaly deficient, and sick will die...the healthy, and strong will live and reproduce and pass their strong genetics to their offspring thus resulting in a healthier human race.
So, it's not perfect, doesn't need fixing and those who don't have it and need it should just be left to die in the street as a "thinning of the flock"

OK....


and this is something you genuinely believe and that you, in your faith, believe is good and true?
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8/27/2009 1:25pm
If the health care industry, you know the people that are supposed experts in the field would take a minute to get things in line and reasonable, there would be no need for the government to step in.

Let's see, if the government would take a minute and ............

Vicious endless cycle created by?
8/27/2009 1:35pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2009 1:39pm
Change is inevitable
Progress is not
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8/27/2009 1:40pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:48am
We need to fix the problem and simply throwign money at a problem wont fix it.


When will people ever learn.
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8/27/2009 1:40pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:48am
flarider wrote:
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, IT IS PERFECTLY FINE AS IS.




Titan wrote:
It isn't perfect...But does it NEED to be fixed? And I still don't understand why the government feels its their job to fix it. If you...
It isn't perfect...But does it NEED to be fixed? And I still don't understand why the government feels its their job to fix it.

If you can't afford health insurance, you die. There are worse things...and everyone is going to do it some day anyway....No reason for the government to ruin the country trying to fix it, when it isn't their responsibility to fix it in the first place, and all they're really doing is prolonging the inevitable (death).

This country could probably use some "thinning of the flock" anyway...natural selection or whatever Darwin called it...the weak, geneticaly deficient, and sick will die...the healthy, and strong will live and reproduce and pass their strong genetics to their offspring thus resulting in a healthier human race.
flarider wrote:
So, it's not perfect, doesn't need fixing and those who don't have it and need it should just be left to die in the street as...
So, it's not perfect, doesn't need fixing and those who don't have it and need it should just be left to die in the street as a "thinning of the flock"

OK....


and this is something you genuinely believe and that you, in your faith, believe is good and true?
It's not perfect, so it could be made better. I'm not convinced it's the governments job to do so.

I don't believe anyone is going to die in the street...Are people dying in the street right now, when we don't have a government healthcare option? No...so they wont' be if the government does nothing.

And this has absolutelyl NOTHING to do with my faith. Not a thing. So don't try and go there.

Oh, and there was a bit of sarcasm in that post...in case you missed it.
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I honestly think all the medical advancements are resulting in a weaker human race...as people with less desirable genetics are living longer, healthier lives than they would otherwise have lived without modern medicine...these people are passing those weak genetics to thier children, and them to their children and so on...This could be a possible explanation as to why cancer rates are going up, and any number of other reasons.

(Not that I think nothing should be done...but it was an interesting thought I had this afternoon as I sat at my computer eating Wendy's chicken nuggets, fries and a 44 ounce coke... Smile )
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8/27/2009 1:51pm
Larry wrote:
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield. They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits...
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield.
They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits which they pay about $10.00 a piece for.
My premium goes up 27% effective Oct 1.
Bastards.
You're the dumbass that buys insurance to pay for routine doctor visits. Why don't you buy lunch insurance too? That way you can pay twice as much for lunch but you don't have to pay the waitress.
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I agree that we are getting weaker as a species to a point but how do you account for personal achievements being broken on a regular basis. IE times for 100m dash and so on getting faster and faster since we started keeping track.
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Kinetic1 wrote:
I agree that we are getting weaker as a species to a point but how do you account for personal achievements being broken on a regular...
I agree that we are getting weaker as a species to a point but how do you account for personal achievements being broken on a regular basis. IE times for 100m dash and so on getting faster and faster since we started keeping track.
I don't know how to account for those things...

I guess there are pros and cons to modern medicine...gentically weak people are living longer and passing on weak genes...genetically strong people are able to get stronger/faster/whatever by using modern medicine???

I don't know...
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I think it's awesome that Titan thinks if some guy who doesn't have insurance gets cancer, that's just too damn bad, should be left untreated and for dead, and it is merely a "thinning of the herd."

My faith in humanity has been restored



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flarider wrote:
I think it's awesome that Titan thinks if some guy who doesn't have insurance gets cancer, that's just too damn bad, should be left untreated and...
I think it's awesome that Titan thinks if some guy who doesn't have insurance gets cancer, that's just too damn bad, should be left untreated and for dead, and it is merely a "thinning of the herd."

My faith in humanity has been restored



Apparently you missed the sarcasm in my post...but don't let that stop you from one of your OCD escapades....go ahead, put some more words in my mouth.
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Wow, is all I should say, but.................I just can't let this go!

Rather than penalize those that are already living who are unlucky enough to have deficient genes, lets do this.

Give them free health care.

Then form a CORPORATION (just so we are clear on this, it won't be run by the inefficient and evil government) whose sole purpose is to identify those with 'deficient genes' and 'undesirable genetics (as per Titan) and sterilize those people.

That way, we won't need the evils of a public health care option to take care of those deficient genetic unfortunates.

(Just a note to the knuckle-draggers out there, this IS saracasm)

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indy_maico wrote:
Wow, is all I should say, but.................I just can't let this go! Rather than penalize those that are already living who are unlucky enough to have...
Wow, is all I should say, but.................I just can't let this go!

Rather than penalize those that are already living who are unlucky enough to have deficient genes, lets do this.

Give them free health care.

Then form a CORPORATION (just so we are clear on this, it won't be run by the inefficient and evil government) whose sole purpose is to identify those with 'deficient genes' and 'undesirable genetics (as per Titan) and sterilize those people.

That way, we won't need the evils of a public health care option to take care of those deficient genetic unfortunates.

(Just a note to the knuckle-draggers out there, this IS saracasm)

I'll recognize your sarcam so long as I'm sure you picked up on mine...
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27% raise, did every one who responded miss that part? Shouldnt that number be whats being discussed here?

Larry I have a question: Did you or your wife turn 50 in the past year? When I hit the big 50 my insurance went up almost 50% overnight. Have you contacted them yet and asked what their smokin ?

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8/27/2009 5:22pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:48am
Larry wrote:
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield. They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits...
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield.
They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits which they pay about $10.00 a piece for.
My premium goes up 27% effective Oct 1.
Bastards.
Ivan wrote:
You're the dumbass that buys insurance to pay for routine doctor visits. Why don't you buy lunch insurance too? That way you can pay twice as...
You're the dumbass that buys insurance to pay for routine doctor visits. Why don't you buy lunch insurance too? That way you can pay twice as much for lunch but you don't have to pay the waitress.
your the dumb ass that had no Insurance.
i buy Insurance so that if God forbid my kid comes down with a serious illness I will not have to use any of your tax money to pay for his treatment.
and by the way fuck you.
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Kinetic1 wrote:
I agree that we are getting weaker as a species to a point but how do you account for personal achievements being broken on a regular...
I agree that we are getting weaker as a species to a point but how do you account for personal achievements being broken on a regular basis. IE times for 100m dash and so on getting faster and faster since we started keeping track.
We're not getting weaker as a species at all.

But we would be if social darwinists like Titan have their way.

Our strength as a species has ALWAYS been our empathy and our ability and willingness to work as a group for a common goal. That's why we exist at all. If, in the early days of mankind, we would've just said, "Hey, screw him. He's the one who walked out too far and got eaten," our species would've died out long ago.

Teamwork. That's what got us here.
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8/27/2009 5:33pm
Titan wrote:
I honestly think all the medical advancements are resulting in a weaker human race...as people with less desirable genetics are living longer, healthier lives than they...
I honestly think all the medical advancements are resulting in a weaker human race...as people with less desirable genetics are living longer, healthier lives than they would otherwise have lived without modern medicine...these people are passing those weak genetics to thier children, and them to their children and so on...This could be a possible explanation as to why cancer rates are going up, and any number of other reasons.

(Not that I think nothing should be done...but it was an interesting thought I had this afternoon as I sat at my computer eating Wendy's chicken nuggets, fries and a 44 ounce coke... Smile )
I've actually thought about the same thing. I think there is a lot of truth in it. Things like asthma have gone through the roof also.

The other thing is that we are living too long which taxes the healthcare system. It used to be that when you retired at 55 you died 5 years later. Now we run out of retirement money and cause healthcare to sky rocket. Remember, most healthcare is used in the later years of life.

I laugh when people blame smokers for causing healthcare to go up. The fact is they die sooner which actually becomes a net gain compared to some granola head fitness freak living to 90 years old.
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The last 3 to 6 months of a smokers life cost us more than wellcare for a family of 4 through their entire lifetime.
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we need some good diseases to get rid of a few billion people..
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Larry wrote:
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield. They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits...
Just received my health insurance renewal from Blue cross Blue shield.
They had no claims from me or my family this past year, just well visits which they pay about $10.00 a piece for.
My premium goes up 27% effective Oct 1.
Bastards.
not a bad idea if you were first in line.
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Kinetic1 wrote:
I agree that we are getting weaker as a species to a point but how do you account for personal achievements being broken on a regular...
I agree that we are getting weaker as a species to a point but how do you account for personal achievements being broken on a regular basis. IE times for 100m dash and so on getting faster and faster since we started keeping track.
Nerd wrote:
We're not getting weaker as a species at all. But we would be if social darwinists like Titan have their way. Our strength as a species...
We're not getting weaker as a species at all.

But we would be if social darwinists like Titan have their way.

Our strength as a species has ALWAYS been our empathy and our ability and willingness to work as a group for a common goal. That's why we exist at all. If, in the early days of mankind, we would've just said, "Hey, screw him. He's the one who walked out too far and got eaten," our species would've died out long ago.

Teamwork. That's what got us here.
What part of SARCASM don't you people understand??? Seriously...I was being sarcastic. I'm sorry I wasn't more obvious and didn't specify...

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