All this crash talk

Richy
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Edited Date/Time 11/8/2022 4:47am
Always sucks to hear about folks having big ones.

Most of the gnarly ones I see personally are from jumps, not necessarily big jumps, just getting a weird kick or getting out of shape.

Is this pretty universal? What do you reckon is the most common way to do yourself in on track?

Off the back of that, yeah anyone can get unlucky or push a little too hard, but what do you reckon helps avoid the heavy crashes or has helped you take the hits without smashing yourself? I remember when I used to ride all the time, and you see it a lot from you faster folks and especially the pros, there's often kind of a sixth sense / talent to crashing without taking a huge beating.

If this is the dumbest thread ever, just ignore it, no worries 👍
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11/5/2022 2:24pm
What helps avoid the big ones? Riding at 85% I’d say as well as never letting your guard down as far as technique goes. It’s a fine line.
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11/5/2022 2:29pm
Most of the big ones come from swapping/ high siding or endo’s. And they usually get worse the longer someone tries to ride it out.
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11/5/2022 2:46pm
That's a good call, I can picture it clear as day just from reading that. Always extra savage when it finally looks like they might just ride it out... and then BOOM.

The commitment to solid technique seems good insurance too, nice one. Some of the sketchy shit guys with dialled body positioning can ride out of is crazy.
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11/5/2022 3:23pm
I have an old friend that compound fractured his femur and spent a day in ICU due to a head injury from hitting a tree root wrong in 2nd gear. It’s a risk we all take when hopping on the bike. You can be cautious and do everything right and still end up on the ground.
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11/5/2022 9:15pm
The most dangerous thing on the track is mixing skill levels/classes. I got taken out by a squid back in January during an open practice at E Street, they crossed jumped and collided with me, sent me to the ground and I woke up in ICU.

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183Matt wrote:
The most dangerous thing on the track is mixing skill levels/classes. I got taken out by a squid back in January during an open practice at...
The most dangerous thing on the track is mixing skill levels/classes. I got taken out by a squid back in January during an open practice at E Street, they crossed jumped and collided with me, sent me to the ground and I woke up in ICU.

I quit going to tracks because of this

I’ve said this before, but my local track had 30min small bike practice / 30min big bike practice. 5-10 kids ride around, then like 50 dudes of all skill levels come out ripping at the same time.

I was scared to ride, and neither skill level can progress effectively when you mix classes like that
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Richy
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11/6/2022 1:37am Edited Date/Time 11/6/2022 1:45am
183Matt wrote:
The most dangerous thing on the track is mixing skill levels/classes. I got taken out by a squid back in January during an open practice at...
The most dangerous thing on the track is mixing skill levels/classes. I got taken out by a squid back in January during an open practice at E Street, they crossed jumped and collided with me, sent me to the ground and I woke up in ICU.

The novice classes over here, not always but usually, are enough of a hazard to themselves, mixing them with fast guys is insanity.

The real problem is novice classes over here aren't full of novices, you have guys starting out and guys coming back to the sport - actual novices. Yeah some weird crashes and dumb shit happens, but it's all at relatively low speed. Then you have guys who race every other weekend for years who refuse to move up a class at practice, GoPro'ing all their sessions for YouTube, blatantly not been a novice for years, still want to jump into a rut you're already in in front of you or block pass you at practice... I kind of understand people's logic in sand bagging races, though I don't agree with it, but practice?? Once you're competent in all conditions, you aren't a novice, and surely you get faster and challenge yourself by riding with faster people? Do they not want to improve and progress as a rider any more?

We regularly end up with 2 x Novice classes with whoever in it, then 1 X Combined Intermediate/Expert class with half as many people.
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11/6/2022 4:22am
We run into the same things at our tracks. The mix of different speeds is more dangerous by far than race day. My personal beef is the mix of vet/women in my practices. Not a dig at the women riders but there’s a huge difference in pace and it’s not good at all.
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11/7/2022 10:34am
soggy wrote:
Most of the big ones come from swapping/ high siding or endo’s. And they usually get worse the longer someone tries to ride it out.
I've seen way more crashes that were caused by panic followed by the rider bailing off the bike when they could easily have ridden it out.
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Skerby wrote:
I've seen way more crashes that were caused by panic followed by the rider bailing off the bike when they could easily have ridden it out.
Like jumping through the bars? It can definitely work against you. But if you know your falling for sure I say just go with it rather then try to save it. It probably comes from my freestyle skiing days. You just kind of learn to let your body go limp rather then try to save it. That’s usually when you’ll hurt yourself.
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11/7/2022 4:05pm
soggy wrote:
Most of the big ones come from swapping/ high siding or endo’s. And they usually get worse the longer someone tries to ride it out.
That’s what happened to me in June this year. 4th gear, moving. Hit a hole under the fluff and ripped the bars out of my hands. My back and hip is still jacked up 5 months later
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Richy
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11/8/2022 12:24am
Skerby wrote:
I've seen way more crashes that were caused by panic followed by the rider bailing off the bike when they could easily have ridden it out.
soggy wrote:
Like jumping through the bars? It can definitely work against you. But if you know your falling for sure I say just go with it rather...
Like jumping through the bars? It can definitely work against you. But if you know your falling for sure I say just go with it rather then try to save it. It probably comes from my freestyle skiing days. You just kind of learn to let your body go limp rather then try to save it. That’s usually when you’ll hurt yourself.
I can definitely appreciate that, been there a lot with BMX and mountain bikes on some of the bigger jumps / gnarlier runs when I was a teenager / early 20's, sometimes you're best to just get the hell away from the thing. Especially with the momentum and forces involved if you get super out of shape at a fair lick in 4th or 5th like jtiger had.

I get what skerby is saying too though, it's amazing what people can ride out of with commitment and proper body position, you see it often where guys end up fully off the bike or on one side of the bike or AJ at straight rhythm.

I guess it's just one of those things, yeah you can often save it by trying to ride it out, but if you do go down with the ship when all's said and done, you're gonna feel it. Tough call, it's saved me a couple of times but I'm generally not a 'bail' kind of guy personally, for better or worse.
11/8/2022 1:34am
I'm currently at 4 out of a 6 months recovery from a small hand fracture and multiple contusions. Was confident and pushing but got kicked sideways on a midsize jump. At least this is what I elaborated as it happened so quickly that I just found myself landing 90 degrees and then rolling in the air.
Being stupid, while in the air I was both concerned of what could happen to me and the cost of rebuilding the bike.
Luckily, not too bad on both fronts.
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11/8/2022 2:58am Edited Date/Time 11/8/2022 3:43am
The issue is no the matter the age we’re all half retarded. I’ll be 40 in few weeks and I’ve hard 2 of the hardest wrecks i have ever had in the last few months.

August I tangled with another rider in the air over a small jump. He slid up the face and I was too close because I was worried about the guy in first getting away. Broke/dislocated a handful of ribs and overall banged up pretty good.
August…


This past Sunday I decided to race my first GP. Halfway thru the second lap I had a comfortable lead and wasn’t overriding when a large rock dislodged in a slower corner and sent me end over end. Hit my chest, ribs and stomach so hard it took the wind out of me and I puked..
November…


I raced and rode a ton in 21 with nothing more than tip overs.

Wether you’re pushing a little or a lot a bad wreck is 100% in your future.

Back to the half retarded comment. I type this out at 5am because I can’t get comfortable in bed due to the fact both sides of my ribs hurt. I’m also wondering if I can mountain bike today or possibly feel well enough to ride this weekend.
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Richy
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11/8/2022 4:47am
Oh you're right that it'll totally happen again. I've had a bone graft to repair my right hip and its socket, plus the usual cuts, bruises, broken bones in hands and left wrist, knackered ligaments and concussions etc, not half as bad as many here and no complaints at all, just saying the risk isn't a surprise and it's why I'm slower than ever now after coming back haha.

This was more just idle wondering what most people have their biggest hits due to, more than actively trying to avoid a crash as such or ignore the risk of riding or think that injuries are avoidable 👍
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