Heart rate monitor

Edited Date/Time 4/19/2012 7:38pm
I got a new heart rate monitor that I have been jogging with for a couple of weeks. This is my first HRM and it is loaded with features because it is GPS enabled. It is a Garmin 405. After downloading and viewing some of my totals for the first time, I began to wonder how useful or at least interesting this would be while riding. Have any of you used a HRM while riding particularly a Garmin that you can analyze the physical and GPS data? If so, did you operate it in jogging mode? It has a bike mode but I'm sure this is for the pedal type. How did you go about using it and how did it work out? I'm a total newb at this thing, trying to learn a little more each time, but from reading the manual, I think I can set it up to count laps as I cross a certain GPS location. I could see where that could be handy or in my case fun to view. Any thoughts, ideas, do or don't or is this just a crazy thought?
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I demand a ride report with data graphics.
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8/20/2009 10:10pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:40am
sh105 rides at 205
I'm at 185 when riding tough sections.
I can only workout in a gym at 180 before I faint.

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I use one all the time. It's a really useful tool to help you pace yourself if you race. If you're in good enough shape to just pin it and pray then you might not benefit from one as much but I would predict they are helpful for anyone if used properly.

I like to ride a practice moto and just try to keep my AVG HR around 180. You'd be surprised but it takes practice to do that. Then, I'd work on increasing my speed a little here and there while trying to keep my AVG HR at the same 180 mark.

Then, inevitably, whenever I race my AVG HR is usually around 190. LOL. I'm certianly not trying to pace myself during a little 5 lap race so it gets up there.

I used to run and MTB a LOT and when I did, I got addicted to having a HRM. I've had a lot of different models but I got to where I liked the run/bike combo ones. Most of mine have been POLAR brand and they are great until the battery goes dead. You have to send it to them to replace the battery. Sad

I tried a TIMEX brand one that didn't even work very well. It would "seize up" (for lack of a better term) on me during exercises and eventually it started giving me some really wacko data like a 230 MAX HR. LMAO!!! POS if you ask me. It didn't last me a year and I only get off the couch like once a quarter.

I'm burning with desire to get one like you got with GPS so I can tell my lap times and hook it up to my computer, but I have a hard time justifying spending that kind of coin when the only shape I'm in is "round". Maybe someday I'll be in shape again and go full-throttle on one.
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8/20/2009 10:42pm
teggers wrote:
sh105 rides at 205
I'm at 185 when riding tough sections.
I can only workout in a gym at 180 before I faint.

sh may hit 205 at certain times but he would not ride at that bpm for a sustained period.He trains hard to keep his bpm down and would only hit that rate in certain situations

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Sorry...I thought he said he could ride sustained at 205. I stand corrected...
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I got a new heart rate monitor that I have been jogging with for a couple of weeks. This is my first HRM and it is...
I got a new heart rate monitor that I have been jogging with for a couple of weeks. This is my first HRM and it is loaded with features because it is GPS enabled. It is a Garmin 405. After downloading and viewing some of my totals for the first time, I began to wonder how useful or at least interesting this would be while riding. Have any of you used a HRM while riding particularly a Garmin that you can analyze the physical and GPS data? If so, did you operate it in jogging mode? It has a bike mode but I'm sure this is for the pedal type. How did you go about using it and how did it work out? I'm a total newb at this thing, trying to learn a little more each time, but from reading the manual, I think I can set it up to count laps as I cross a certain GPS location. I could see where that could be handy or in my case fun to view. Any thoughts, ideas, do or don't or is this just a crazy thought?
I have a polar so i don't have much info. Here are a few graphs from me riding(i think the first 2 are races and the last one is practicing.). The highest i've seen my heart rate was 207. I'm really into this stuff.




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8/21/2009 12:19am
teggers wrote:
Sorry...I thought he said he could ride sustained at 205. I stand corrected...
Wasn't meaning to single you out. Most people would be in their vo2 max between 195-210 so with the lactic acid build up they could only go for so long with a bpm of 205.A guy like sh who trains hard would be able to go longer at 205 than your average rider.

Training properly using heart rates takes a little getting used to,heart rate monitors are great,to see whats going on.
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8/21/2009 3:58am Edited Date/Time 8/21/2009 4:00am
I have a Garmin 305 and yeah its great for lap times using a gps point. Ive used a heart rate monitor while running and cycling etc for the last 12 years actually. One thing I find though is that nothing comes close to what my heart rate does during a moto. Buggered if I know how to train off the bike at the same intensity? It more or less tells me the best training for motocross is riding motos I guess.

I use the "Other" mode for motos. Running, Cycling and Other are all set up differently for me in the settings.
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I have one and use it every day on my spin bike. I stay at Level 3, 125-142bpm for 1hr. I have hit 165 on my spin bike, but I have been up in the 180's playing hockey. I have only wore it once while riding and I dont remember what my bpm was. I am curious how accurate the calorie expenditure reading is?

Great tool for working out !
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205? holy sh!t thats too high!

I remember Emig saying RC's HRM goes to 185 by turn 2, and stays there for the entire moto.

I use the F-11 and hit 165-180 riding, but i'm 50.. Blink
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I wear one during road bike rides, never wore it while riding moto. The highest I have ever got my heart rate on the road bike was 194 and that was going all out up a big (south jersey standards) hill.
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Anyone have a link for something like this:
Benefits of staying at HR X for X amount of time.

You guys doing stuff at 170-180 for extended periods of time are BEASTIE.
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195 is my max, heart feels like its beating out of my chest. 175-180 is about where i am when i ride, which is usually about 85%. 100% with a hr of 195 i last, oh well about 2 laps.
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8/21/2009 6:44am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:41am
Motocross officially has the highest sustained HR of any sport. (at least that's what I read in the last study done that I saw I think on the Racerx virtual trainer site)


If you do use a monitor while riding...and look at your HR...then try to replicate it on a bicycle...you will find you cant!


i guess the unique thing about riding dirtbikes unlike purely fitness based sports is you can still ride while your anerobic...and while pushing that threshold. Most other athletes can not still perform for the necessary amount of time while pushing that threshold.


I'm a youngin..and seeing over 200 is a regular occurance for my peak... The most fit guy I know down here (amazingly fit...can run marathons...bike 100's...swim...etc...though his primary training is riding and it just caries over) avgs 180-183 over a 35min moto, and never maxes above 198-200. That means his max is about 198-200 but his sustained HR is 91-92 percent of max....that's WAY up there for 35 minutes of activity!


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Huckster wrote:
I have one and use it every day on my spin bike. I stay at Level 3, 125-142bpm for 1hr. I have hit 165 on my...
I have one and use it every day on my spin bike. I stay at Level 3, 125-142bpm for 1hr. I have hit 165 on my spin bike, but I have been up in the 180's playing hockey. I have only wore it once while riding and I dont remember what my bpm was. I am curious how accurate the calorie expenditure reading is?

Great tool for working out !
Calorie burn is an approximation or estimate. They use average data to build a profile. May use BPM and weight. But no way to accurately measure it. If they want to be accurate, you get on a treadmill with a breathing apparatus that monitors your breathing (I think CO2) and that's probably pretty accurate.
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8/21/2009 7:20am
Recommended max heart rate formula is 220 minus your age according to some online pages.
8/21/2009 7:53am
bullpen58 wrote:
I use one all the time. It's a really useful tool to help you pace yourself if you race. If you're in good enough shape to...
I use one all the time. It's a really useful tool to help you pace yourself if you race. If you're in good enough shape to just pin it and pray then you might not benefit from one as much but I would predict they are helpful for anyone if used properly.

I like to ride a practice moto and just try to keep my AVG HR around 180. You'd be surprised but it takes practice to do that. Then, I'd work on increasing my speed a little here and there while trying to keep my AVG HR at the same 180 mark.

Then, inevitably, whenever I race my AVG HR is usually around 190. LOL. I'm certianly not trying to pace myself during a little 5 lap race so it gets up there.

I used to run and MTB a LOT and when I did, I got addicted to having a HRM. I've had a lot of different models but I got to where I liked the run/bike combo ones. Most of mine have been POLAR brand and they are great until the battery goes dead. You have to send it to them to replace the battery. Sad

I tried a TIMEX brand one that didn't even work very well. It would "seize up" (for lack of a better term) on me during exercises and eventually it started giving me some really wacko data like a 230 MAX HR. LMAO!!! POS if you ask me. It didn't last me a year and I only get off the couch like once a quarter.

I'm burning with desire to get one like you got with GPS so I can tell my lap times and hook it up to my computer, but I have a hard time justifying spending that kind of coin when the only shape I'm in is "round". Maybe someday I'll be in shape again and go full-throttle on one.
It was a gift from my sister and brother in law. They know I have been jogging a lot trying to rehab and get back in shape. They live in Italy and cycle a lot and both have one of their own. I about shit when I found out how expensive it was but they said they got a good deal on it and thought I'd like it. I shouldn't know what they paid for it but they got it at Dick's for $299.00 while in the US getting married a couple of months ago. I'm just now able to play with it. It is nothing that I would have ever bought for myself but I have to admit I think I'm going to enjoy messing around with it.
The GPS is by far the coolest feature. I had trouble pairing the HRM and just used the GPS for about 2 weeks, distance, time, elevation, average speed, top speed, pace. I physically can't get to funky with it because I can only jog at probably about 60 - 70% effort at 12 min. miles. I used to jog 8 min. miles on a 10 K with my best being a 45.5 min. 6.8 mile pace. That has been a while and before I ever heard of a HRM. It will be interesting to track my progress as I get in better shape. My goal is to jog 8 min mile for 3 miles by Nov. Then it is off for ACL replacement on my other knee.
8/21/2009 7:56am
Ashleymx wrote:
I have a Garmin 305 and yeah its great for lap times using a gps point. Ive used a heart rate monitor while running and cycling...
I have a Garmin 305 and yeah its great for lap times using a gps point. Ive used a heart rate monitor while running and cycling etc for the last 12 years actually. One thing I find though is that nothing comes close to what my heart rate does during a moto. Buggered if I know how to train off the bike at the same intensity? It more or less tells me the best training for motocross is riding motos I guess.

I use the "Other" mode for motos. Running, Cycling and Other are all set up differently for me in the settings.
How did you go about making your spot to mark and how close do you have to get to that spot. 5feet? Run right over it? Do you pick the farthest point on the track? I'll have to check on the "other " mode. I don't remember seeing that option.
8/21/2009 8:04am
I got a new heart rate monitor that I have been jogging with for a couple of weeks. This is my first HRM and it is...
I got a new heart rate monitor that I have been jogging with for a couple of weeks. This is my first HRM and it is loaded with features because it is GPS enabled. It is a Garmin 405. After downloading and viewing some of my totals for the first time, I began to wonder how useful or at least interesting this would be while riding. Have any of you used a HRM while riding particularly a Garmin that you can analyze the physical and GPS data? If so, did you operate it in jogging mode? It has a bike mode but I'm sure this is for the pedal type. How did you go about using it and how did it work out? I'm a total newb at this thing, trying to learn a little more each time, but from reading the manual, I think I can set it up to count laps as I cross a certain GPS location. I could see where that could be handy or in my case fun to view. Any thoughts, ideas, do or don't or is this just a crazy thought?
180decals wrote:
I have a polar so i don't have much info. Here are a few graphs from me riding(i think the first 2 are races and the...
I have a polar so i don't have much info. Here are a few graphs from me riding(i think the first 2 are races and the last one is practicing.). The highest i've seen my heart rate was 207. I'm really into this stuff.




Thats pretty cool. Thanks for posting. You are a step above me right now. I can't keep that for 30 min. I've been trying to keep in my target range of 154 - 161 but I find it hard to stay below 171. I've been jogging for about 25 min. Last night I tried an interval of 10 min target range 2 min. cool down 3 times so I got my 30 min. in. I'd like to get to where I can keep 185 for 30 min.
8/21/2009 8:08am
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Anyone have a link for something like this: Benefits of staying at HR X for X amount of time. You guys doing stuff at 170-180 for...
Anyone have a link for something like this:
Benefits of staying at HR X for X amount of time.

You guys doing stuff at 170-180 for extended periods of time are BEASTIE.
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racerxvt.com has some good info on how to heart rate train. I think it's written by Aldon Baker. Othewise the forum has questions just like yours.
4/19/2012 4:00am
Hi everyone please could you give me tip for some great Heart rate monitor for motocross?? I have sigma sport PC 15 but problem with chest sensor. When I ride a moto it still slip from chest and everytime I loose signal. So please could you give me tip for some HRM with chest sensor which will be still on my chest?? Thank you very much!!!!
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Uploaded to Garmin Connect, it'll over-lay where you went/ran/rode along with all the pace stats. There is a 'player' that will move an icon around your route allowing you to see the route develop as you ran/rode it.

This is just one from me walking a loop training some pointing dogs. The red icon is the kennel so I was looping back there to run another dog.

4/19/2012 5:43am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2012 7:18am
teggers wrote:
Sorry...I thought he said he could ride sustained at 205. I stand corrected...
flapper wrote:
Wasn't meaning to single you out. Most people would be in their vo2 max between 195-210 so with the lactic acid build up they could only...
Wasn't meaning to single you out. Most people would be in their vo2 max between 195-210 so with the lactic acid build up they could only go for so long with a bpm of 205.A guy like sh who trains hard would be able to go longer at 205 than your average rider.

Training properly using heart rates takes a little getting used to,heart rate monitors are great,to see whats going on.
I used to hit 215 with mine. Couldnt hold it for very long. 15-17 minutes tops at between 200-215.

But that was back when I was racing full-time and would hit my versaclimber in the evenings for sessions that lasted anywhere from 45min-120min at a constant heart rate of 180-185 two to three days a week. As well as work with a personal trainer for 3 hours a day 6 days a week starting at 5am every morning.



It was weird, maybe you could explain it for me, because I just dont think I knew enough about training at the time to know what was going on, but my heart rate never really dropped no matter how good of conditioning I was in. I simply could hold a more intense heart rate for a longer period of time as my conditioning go better.

For instance, if I was on my road bike doing a 45 mile ride. Easy ride, no crazy hills. Over the course of my years training, during the same ride, it never really got any "easier", meaning, my heart rate never really dropped over time while doing the same routine. What did occur though was that I was able to sustain that heart rate for a longer period. It just never dropped.

Shouldnt my heart rate get lower for the same exercise over time?
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I also have a garmin forerunner, i think its the 410. its insane all the features it has, more features than an MXer could ever use, so far ive only really used it for mnt biking, a few times while riding but i havent figured out how to make the gps pick up my indivudal laps instead of just counting 1mile as a lap, but i def suggest anyone serious about training picks one up. also to add to everyone else when i ride motocross right off the bat my HR is like 180 with a max of 200 and my 200 on a dirtbike feels like my 170 on a mnt bike
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i def dont know alot about heart rates but most trainers i have worked with told me for one you obviously cant compare anyones HR to your own, its all pretty irrelvant but more so how quickly you HR recovers from your max determins more of how in shape you are
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I got a new heart rate monitor that I have been jogging with for a couple of weeks. This is my first HRM and it is...
I got a new heart rate monitor that I have been jogging with for a couple of weeks. This is my first HRM and it is loaded with features because it is GPS enabled. It is a Garmin 405. After downloading and viewing some of my totals for the first time, I began to wonder how useful or at least interesting this would be while riding. Have any of you used a HRM while riding particularly a Garmin that you can analyze the physical and GPS data? If so, did you operate it in jogging mode? It has a bike mode but I'm sure this is for the pedal type. How did you go about using it and how did it work out? I'm a total newb at this thing, trying to learn a little more each time, but from reading the manual, I think I can set it up to count laps as I cross a certain GPS location. I could see where that could be handy or in my case fun to view. Any thoughts, ideas, do or don't or is this just a crazy thought?
180decals wrote:
I have a polar so i don't have much info. Here are a few graphs from me riding(i think the first 2 are races and the...
I have a polar so i don't have much info. Here are a few graphs from me riding(i think the first 2 are races and the last one is practicing.). The highest i've seen my heart rate was 207. I'm really into this stuff.




180Decals: What model Polar do you have? I am looking to get one that can produce graphs like you posted. There are so many different models I am not sure which one will work best for MX.
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Heart rate is very personal too, some simply have higher heart rate because their heart pumps less per beat. This is also affected by age and fitness. A proper max HR test is needed to determine an accurate HR for an individual, along with resting HR sets the baseline. One indicator of fitness is how long it takes to return to a resting HR after reaching an elevated HR.

It will be very difficult too achieve the same HR's as MX with other activities.
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I used to hit 215 with mine. Couldnt hold it for very long. 15-17 minutes tops at between 200-215. But that was back when I was...
I used to hit 215 with mine. Couldnt hold it for very long. 15-17 minutes tops at between 200-215.

But that was back when I was racing full-time and would hit my versaclimber in the evenings for sessions that lasted anywhere from 45min-120min at a constant heart rate of 180-185 two to three days a week. As well as work with a personal trainer for 3 hours a day 6 days a week starting at 5am every morning.



It was weird, maybe you could explain it for me, because I just dont think I knew enough about training at the time to know what was going on, but my heart rate never really dropped no matter how good of conditioning I was in. I simply could hold a more intense heart rate for a longer period of time as my conditioning go better.

For instance, if I was on my road bike doing a 45 mile ride. Easy ride, no crazy hills. Over the course of my years training, during the same ride, it never really got any "easier", meaning, my heart rate never really dropped over time while doing the same routine. What did occur though was that I was able to sustain that heart rate for a longer period. It just never dropped.

Shouldnt my heart rate get lower for the same exercise over time?
Well the hearts a pretty neat pump. I believe the oxygenation of your cells is dependant on the volume of blood run through the lungs and circulatory system. The heart not only contracts with every beat but can also vary the volume of blood expelled during each beat by varying the amount or completeness of the contraction. So while the heartbeat may still occur at the same rate for various exercises, the extent of contraction in the heart increases with increased exertion the body is experiencing. If that makes any sense??

I'm not a doctor but I stay at Holiday Inn's occasionally Smile
4/19/2012 4:10pm
Well the hearts a pretty neat pump. I believe the oxygenation of your cells is dependant on the volume of blood run through the lungs and...
Well the hearts a pretty neat pump. I believe the oxygenation of your cells is dependant on the volume of blood run through the lungs and circulatory system. The heart not only contracts with every beat but can also vary the volume of blood expelled during each beat by varying the amount or completeness of the contraction. So while the heartbeat may still occur at the same rate for various exercises, the extent of contraction in the heart increases with increased exertion the body is experiencing. If that makes any sense??

I'm not a doctor but I stay at Holiday Inn's occasionally Smile
Sorta making sense....

So what your saying is, that over time, as I got in better shape, my heart rate never got lower (for the same exertion) but the "extent of the contraction" got better in my case?


I simply was always told that as I got into better shape, my heart rate monitor would reflect that by showing me with a lower heart rate for the same exercise that I was doing months earlier. Which was never the case for me. My heart rate never dropped.

I was able to hold in longer and also recover quicker tho. Those were the only two measurables I had.


Thanx for replying.

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