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I mean, we were going to save over $1.75 Billion in dumping them, but since you're so upset....fuck it
Call Ron Paul and tell him to order up a few F/A 22's
Oh wait, even he thought they were a waste of money and voted to halt production on them
So it's actually an argument FOR the government taking it over, not against it.
cash for clunkers:
http://www.google.com/...IYFCzqvR52wD9A4SS3O2
they set up a website to process and pay the dealers, the dealers fill out a 25 page report and document everything within that 25 page report/application.....you got that, right? a 25 page report to dump a clunker.......NOW they are tripling the staff to help process the stuff they set up the website to do and to simplify....by the time they are done in the medical field, all our wives and kids will have a job filling out the paper work and processing 3 flu shots! i believe they are estimating the costs to process the clunkers at about $2000 per car.....but you may have to search for that proof!
And so what?
Pit Row
as of right now even with the website and the staff they have, i bet they have paid maybe 1% of the aplications.
Your logic button doesn't work.
lets face it the government isnt real big on producing documents that "prove" they over pay for inhouse work.
but in your world of "journalism" consider this a worthy fact finding mission for yourslef......i've already seen the proof!
Nice.
Compare the spending of private contractors in Iraq like Blackwater to the US Army. What do you see? Which is more efficient?
APNewsBreak: Major problems found in Iraq spending
APNewsBreak: $30 million for construction project in Iraq symbolizes inefficient spending
RICHARD LARDNER
AP News
Jun 07, 2009 23:54 EDT
This is one Christmas gift U.S. taxpayers don't need.
Construction of a $30 million dining facility at a U.S. base in Iraq is scheduled to be completed Dec. 25. But the decision to build it was based on bad planning and botched paperwork. The project is too far along to stop, making the mess hall a future monument to the waste and inefficiency plaguing the war effort, according to an independent panel investigating contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In its first report to Congress, the Wartime Contracting Commission presents a bleak assessment of how tens of billions of dollars have been spent since 2001. The 111-page report, obtained by The Associated Press, documents poor management, weak oversight, and a failure to learn from past mistakes as recurring themes in wartime contracting.
The report is scheduled to be made public Wednesday at a hearing held by the House Oversight and Government Reform's national security subcommittee.
U.S. reliance on contractors has grown to "unprecedented proportions," says the bipartisan commission, established by Congress last year. More than 240,000 private sector employees are supporting military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Thousands more work for the State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development.
But the government has no central data base of who all these contractors are, what services they provide, and how much they're paid. The Pentagon has failed to provide enough trained staff to watch over them, creating conditions for waste and corruption, the commission says.
In Iraq, the panel worries that as U.S. troops depart in larger numbers, there will be too few government eyes on the contractors left to oversee the closing of hundreds of bases and disposal of mountains of federal property.
At Rustamiyah, a seven-acre forward operating base turned over to the Iraqis in March, the military population plunged from 1,490 to 62 in just three months. During the same period, the contractor population dropped from 928 to 338, leaving more than five contractors for every service member.
In Afghanistan, where President Barack Obama has ordered a large increase of U.S. troops, existing bases will have to expand and new ones will be built — without proper oversight unless the Pentagon rapidly changes course.
One commander in Afghanistan told the commission he had no idea how many contractors were on and off his base on a daily basis. Another officer said he had property all over his installation but didn't know who owned it or what kind of shape it was in.
There are questionable construction projects in Afghanistan, too. The commission visited the New Kabul Compound, a building intended to serve as headquarters for U.S. forces in Afghanistan. But members saw cracks in the structure, broken and leaking pipes, sinking sidewalks and other defects.
"The Army should not have accepted a building in such condition," the report says.
The commission cites concerns with a massive support contract known as "LOGCAP" that provides troops with essential services, including housing, meals, mail delivery and laundry.
Despite the huge size and importance of the contract, the main program office managing the work for both Afghanistan and Iraq has only 13 government employees. For administrative help, it must rely on a contractor.
KBR Inc., the primary LOGCAP contractor in Iraq, has been paid nearly $32 billion since 2001. The commission says billions of dollars of that amount ended up wasted due to poorly defined work orders, inadequate oversight and contractor inefficiencies.
In one example, defense auditors challenged KBR after it billed the government for $100 million in costs for private security even though the contract prohibited the use of for-hire guards.
KBR has defended its performance and criticized the commission for making "biased" statements against the company.
"As we look back on what we've done, we're real proud of being able to go into a war theater like that as a private contractor and support 200,000 troops," William P. Utt, chairman of the Houston-based KBR, said in May interview with AP reporters and editors.
KBR is also linked to the dining hall construction snafu, although the commission faults the military's planning and not the contractor. With American forces scheduled to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011, the U.S. will use the new facility for two years at most.
In July 2008, the Army said a new dining facility was badly needed at the Camp Delta forward operating base because the existing one was too small, had a saggy ceiling, poor lighting and an unsanitary wooden floor.
KBR was awarded a contract in September. Work began in late October as American and Iraqi officials were negotiating the agreement setting the dates for the U.S. troop withdrawal
But during an April visit to Camp Delta, the commission learned that the existing mess hall had just been renovated. The $3.36 million job was done by KBR and completed in June 2008. Commission staff toured the renovated hall "without seeing or hearing of any problems or shortfalls," the report says.
The decision to push ahead with the new hall was based on paperwork that was never updated and a failure to review the need for the project after the security agreement was signed. Most of the materials have been ordered and construction is well under way. That means canceling the project would save little money because KBR would have a legitimate claim for payment based on the investment it has already made.
The commission urges commanders in Iraq to review thoroughly all ongoing construction and improvement projects and only continue those essential to the life, health and safety of U.S. troops.
But, to argue that the US government runs an efficient operation is just wrong and sounds like my teenagers arguing that doing drugs won't hurt them. I work in I/T services and entire organizations exist just to help companies with federal business. That's not because it's easy...
Obviously, it's not the case.
Everyone bitches about government spending and waste, and then when the government dumps an overpriced piece of crap flying turd, that we've already wasted billions on, now we're going to cry because some of the employees of the company that sold us the flying turd, earning billions, is going to cut some employees?
So... should we keep buying the flying turds so people don't lose their jobs?
Some folks need to make up their minds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor
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