Grendel is gonna be on DMXS

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8/16/2009 9:34am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2009 9:39am
Grendel was posting on Moto Talk before Cox bailed.
In fact ,Grendel was posting under another name on MT and then edited/changed his name to Grendel. Smile
I'm pretty sure his original posting name on Moto Talk was possibly his initials. Smile
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8/16/2009 12:55pm
Grendel wrote:
I keep my anonymity for privacy purposes. A lot of the discussion two nights ago explained exactly why I do so. A few months ago somebody...
I keep my anonymity for privacy purposes. A lot of the discussion two nights ago explained exactly why I do so.

A few months ago somebody on this board threatened to beat up Bobby M for a rant he posted on this message board. Matthes himself was harassed by Jason Lawrence and some cronies because of an article he wrote. And anyone who posts with me on MotoTalk knows who holds the leash of my most persistent detractor.

I've encountered plenty of cronyism on these boards. Accountability in this diminutive sport too often results in blacklisting and violence for my comfort level. Even your friend Bruhn would agree with this position to some degree.

At this point it would be sloppy and borderline idiotic to reveal what involvement I have in SX/MX.
500guy wrote:
I agree with most of what you wrote but I have to say after listening to DMXS I thought to myself, Here's a guy who #1...
I agree with most of what you wrote but I have to say after listening to DMXS I thought to myself, Here's a guy who #1 doesn't know the Alessi's and #2 maybe goes to 2-3 races a year.
Just wondering, since you formed that opinion, do you "know" the Alessis? How many races do you go to a year.
I went to 25 races in 2007

about 16 in 2008 and 9 so far this year.

Do I know the Alessi's = yes , but just from meeting them at the track and the air port several times , we don't go to dinner or anything.

All three of them have been nothing but polite to me and outside of the Tedesco kill switch deal, I've never personally witnessed any type of what I would call bad behavior.
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8/16/2009 1:06pm
500guy wrote:
I agree with most of what you wrote but I have to say after listening to DMXS I thought to myself, Here's a guy who #1...
I agree with most of what you wrote but I have to say after listening to DMXS I thought to myself, Here's a guy who #1 doesn't know the Alessi's and #2 maybe goes to 2-3 races a year.
Just wondering, since you formed that opinion, do you "know" the Alessis? How many races do you go to a year.
500guy wrote:
I went to 25 races in 2007 about 16 in 2008 and 9 so far this year. Do I know the Alessi's = yes , but...
I went to 25 races in 2007

about 16 in 2008 and 9 so far this year.

Do I know the Alessi's = yes , but just from meeting them at the track and the air port several times , we don't go to dinner or anything.

All three of them have been nothing but polite to me and outside of the Tedesco kill switch deal, I've never personally witnessed any type of what I would call bad behavior.
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a cancer..... its so obvious. why such a secret? Tony is an asshole minidad...who isn't? problem is he won"t let go to supreme guys like decoster and RC... fuck, dude... LET GO ALREADYSad
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Just wondering, since you formed that opinion, do you "know" the Alessis? How many races do you go to a year.
500guy wrote:
I went to 25 races in 2007 about 16 in 2008 and 9 so far this year. Do I know the Alessi's = yes , but...
I went to 25 races in 2007

about 16 in 2008 and 9 so far this year.

Do I know the Alessi's = yes , but just from meeting them at the track and the air port several times , we don't go to dinner or anything.

All three of them have been nothing but polite to me and outside of the Tedesco kill switch deal, I've never personally witnessed any type of what I would call bad behavior.
ChrisB wrote:
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a...
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a cancer..... its so obvious. why such a secret? Tony is an asshole minidad...who isn't? problem is he won"t let go to supreme guys like decoster and RC... fuck, dude... LET GO ALREADYSad
I honestly think you are a fucking dipshit. I did not make an observation, I said what I know to be true.

Hows that ?

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8/16/2009 1:17pm
500guy wrote:
I went to 25 races in 2007 about 16 in 2008 and 9 so far this year. Do I know the Alessi's = yes , but...
I went to 25 races in 2007

about 16 in 2008 and 9 so far this year.

Do I know the Alessi's = yes , but just from meeting them at the track and the air port several times , we don't go to dinner or anything.

All three of them have been nothing but polite to me and outside of the Tedesco kill switch deal, I've never personally witnessed any type of what I would call bad behavior.
ChrisB wrote:
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a...
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a cancer..... its so obvious. why such a secret? Tony is an asshole minidad...who isn't? problem is he won"t let go to supreme guys like decoster and RC... fuck, dude... LET GO ALREADYSad
500guy wrote:
I honestly think you are a fucking dipshit. I did not make an observation, I said what I know to be true.

Hows that ?
Well, I don't think you see to good,.. fuck, i' m at a computer and i can see more than you.
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8/16/2009 2:02pm
500guy wrote:
I went to 25 races in 2007 about 16 in 2008 and 9 so far this year. Do I know the Alessi's = yes , but...
I went to 25 races in 2007

about 16 in 2008 and 9 so far this year.

Do I know the Alessi's = yes , but just from meeting them at the track and the air port several times , we don't go to dinner or anything.

All three of them have been nothing but polite to me and outside of the Tedesco kill switch deal, I've never personally witnessed any type of what I would call bad behavior.
ChrisB wrote:
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a...
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a cancer..... its so obvious. why such a secret? Tony is an asshole minidad...who isn't? problem is he won"t let go to supreme guys like decoster and RC... fuck, dude... LET GO ALREADYSad
500guy wrote:
I honestly think you are a fucking dipshit. I did not make an observation, I said what I know to be true.

Hows that ?
I honestly think Jay summed it up perfectly above!
8/16/2009 2:14pm
500guy wrote:
I went to 25 races in 2007 about 16 in 2008 and 9 so far this year. Do I know the Alessi's = yes , but...
I went to 25 races in 2007

about 16 in 2008 and 9 so far this year.

Do I know the Alessi's = yes , but just from meeting them at the track and the air port several times , we don't go to dinner or anything.

All three of them have been nothing but polite to me and outside of the Tedesco kill switch deal, I've never personally witnessed any type of what I would call bad behavior.
ChrisB wrote:
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a...
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a cancer..... its so obvious. why such a secret? Tony is an asshole minidad...who isn't? problem is he won"t let go to supreme guys like decoster and RC... fuck, dude... LET GO ALREADYSad
500guy wrote:
I honestly think you are a fucking dipshit. I did not make an observation, I said what I know to be true.

Hows that ?
I would say you have a much more solid foundation to form an opinion of them than 99.99% of the people on here.

I agree ChrisB is a fucking dipshit.
8/16/2009 2:15pm
ChrisB wrote:
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a...
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a cancer..... its so obvious. why such a secret? Tony is an asshole minidad...who isn't? problem is he won"t let go to supreme guys like decoster and RC... fuck, dude... LET GO ALREADYSad
500guy wrote:
I honestly think you are a fucking dipshit. I did not make an observation, I said what I know to be true.

Hows that ?
ChrisB wrote:
Well, I don't think you see to good,.. fuck, i' m at a computer and i can see more than you.
Can you see your reflection in your monitor.........If you can I am sure you see a fucking moron.
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8/16/2009 2:19pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2009 2:19pm
ChrisB wrote:
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a...
i honestly think your observations are biased as to "what side you're on"... i thnik if you are in the family....cool. But otherwise, you are a cancer..... its so obvious. why such a secret? Tony is an asshole minidad...who isn't? problem is he won"t let go to supreme guys like decoster and RC... fuck, dude... LET GO ALREADYSad
500guy wrote:
I honestly think you are a fucking dipshit. I did not make an observation, I said what I know to be true.

Hows that ?
ProMed wrote:
I honestly think Jay summed it up perfectly above!
+1 Smile
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8/17/2009 5:34am
I also noticed when I re-listened that I too often put Lawrence and Alessi in the same sentence. I don't believe the Lawrence stuff is as libelous as Tony's "bad" reputation. Usually because five times out of ten he publicly takes pride in his image.
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8/17/2009 5:59am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:35am
Grendel wrote:
I also noticed when I re-listened that I too often put Lawrence and Alessi in the same sentence. I don't believe the Lawrence stuff is as...
I also noticed when I re-listened that I too often put Lawrence and Alessi in the same sentence. I don't believe the Lawrence stuff is as libelous as Tony's "bad" reputation. Usually because five times out of ten he publicly takes pride in his image.
Lawrence has cultivated his image as a bad boy, now it may come back to bite him.

Tony's bad reputation is I think rather more well deserved.

This not in any way a bash, I understand that he has dedicated his life to the boys racing and that has certainly shown in their success.
Unfortunately more folks remember all the crap that Tony pulled for years and that is not going to fade away easily.
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8/17/2009 6:14am
Grendel wrote:
I also noticed when I re-listened that I too often put Lawrence and Alessi in the same sentence. I don't believe the Lawrence stuff is as...
I also noticed when I re-listened that I too often put Lawrence and Alessi in the same sentence. I don't believe the Lawrence stuff is as libelous as Tony's "bad" reputation. Usually because five times out of ten he publicly takes pride in his image.
"libelous"?

Please clarify what specific things that Mathes wrote you believe to be libelous?
8/17/2009 7:43am
I can't help but think.........If Tony Alessi is still this walking derranged mini-dad, then why don't we still hear these kinds of stories on a regular basis?

Tony is involved in Alessi Racing 24/7, but yet all you have to talk about are incidents that happened several years ago? If he is as bad as some of you (for some reason really want to) make him out to be, then I would expect we would hear of more incidents all the time, not just once a season here and there.

And what exactly is Tony supposed to "let go to Decoster"? Is Roger going to run the Alessi support organization for Mike? If you think thats how factory teams operate, then you may want to hang arouund more to see how they really operate.

The factory teams try to maximize results within thier budgets. That does not include managing the lives of thier pilots. Factory teams do not provide practice facilities in different climates with different soils so the riders can get practice in different conditions/altitudes. The factory does not pay for the practice bike mechanic, and they do not even pay for 100% of the race bike mechanic.

So Tony "letting go to Roger" does not really change all that much for Mike. If Tony really let go, they would need to hire people to replace him. Before you really feel Tony, or any other MX parent, are just showing up at the races to stand on the sidelines to yell at thier kids and create trouble, you should hang around with them at the races and see what all they really do while thier kids are under the factory tent, and racing.
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8/17/2009 7:46am
I can't help but think.........If Tony Alessi is still this walking derranged mini-dad, then why don't we still hear these kinds of stories on a regular...
I can't help but think.........If Tony Alessi is still this walking derranged mini-dad, then why don't we still hear these kinds of stories on a regular basis?

Tony is involved in Alessi Racing 24/7, but yet all you have to talk about are incidents that happened several years ago? If he is as bad as some of you (for some reason really want to) make him out to be, then I would expect we would hear of more incidents all the time, not just once a season here and there.

And what exactly is Tony supposed to "let go to Decoster"? Is Roger going to run the Alessi support organization for Mike? If you think thats how factory teams operate, then you may want to hang arouund more to see how they really operate.

The factory teams try to maximize results within thier budgets. That does not include managing the lives of thier pilots. Factory teams do not provide practice facilities in different climates with different soils so the riders can get practice in different conditions/altitudes. The factory does not pay for the practice bike mechanic, and they do not even pay for 100% of the race bike mechanic.

So Tony "letting go to Roger" does not really change all that much for Mike. If Tony really let go, they would need to hire people to replace him. Before you really feel Tony, or any other MX parent, are just showing up at the races to stand on the sidelines to yell at thier kids and create trouble, you should hang around with them at the races and see what all they really do while thier kids are under the factory tent, and racing.
that's a very good post and it makes a lot of sense.
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8/17/2009 10:03am
Grendel wrote:
I also noticed when I re-listened that I too often put Lawrence and Alessi in the same sentence. I don't believe the Lawrence stuff is as...
I also noticed when I re-listened that I too often put Lawrence and Alessi in the same sentence. I don't believe the Lawrence stuff is as libelous as Tony's "bad" reputation. Usually because five times out of ten he publicly takes pride in his image.
Uh oh, your sig is quickly becoming less true...
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Nerd wrote:
Uh oh, your sig is quickly becoming less true...
How so?

Tony doesn't have any impending court dates that I've heard of.

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