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Prntscrn 5/15/2022 11:29am
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So both Sweden and Finland has now officially decided to apply for NATO membership. Seems like they are ready to send in their respective applications together on Wednesday if I read it correct earlier Cool
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Be an interesting time to see Russia reactions to this news about two more countries joining Nato
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Finnish president spoke with Putin over phone yesterday and told him we are joining NATO, he said it would be a huge mistake, but surprisingly didn’t say a single threat about it and said Putin was almost wierdly calm about it. But maybe he didn’t want to just show it. But said we are alert and prepared for anything, but chances Russia will do anything are low, but never zero.
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Thanks for the info, Kongols. It’s sickening to see the destruction of the Ukrainian cities, and much worse, the lives forever lost. There was no reason for any of this to happen. It’s the ambition of a demented tyrant.
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Nighttrain wrote:
Thanks for the info, Kongols. It’s sickening to see the destruction of the Ukrainian cities, and much worse, the lives forever lost. There was no reason...
Thanks for the info, Kongols. It’s sickening to see the destruction of the Ukrainian cities, and much worse, the lives forever lost. There was no reason for any of this to happen. It’s the ambition of a demented tyrant.
Yup, and now people lives are taken or destroyed just because he has no idea how to get out of this mess. He knew he lost week in to war, everything after that is Russia trying to save Putins face. Sad.
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Sandvik74 wrote:
Finnish president spoke with Putin over phone yesterday and told him we are joining NATO, he said it would be a huge mistake, but surprisingly didn’t...
Finnish president spoke with Putin over phone yesterday and told him we are joining NATO, he said it would be a huge mistake, but surprisingly didn’t say a single threat about it and said Putin was almost wierdly calm about it. But maybe he didn’t want to just show it. But said we are alert and prepared for anything, but chances Russia will do anything are low, but never zero.
"Finland confirmed on Sunday that it would apply for NATO membership and Sweden is expected to follow suit, in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. However Turkey's concerns may pose an obstacle, as any decision on NATO enlargement requires unanimous approval by all 30 member states."



BERLIN, May 15 (Reuters) - Turkey's foreign minister said on Sunday that Sweden and Finland must stop supporting terrorist groups in their countries, provide clear security guarantees and lift export bans on Turkey as they seek membership in NATO.
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Sandvik74 wrote:
Finnish president spoke with Putin over phone yesterday and told him we are joining NATO, he said it would be a huge mistake, but surprisingly didn’t...
Finnish president spoke with Putin over phone yesterday and told him we are joining NATO, he said it would be a huge mistake, but surprisingly didn’t say a single threat about it and said Putin was almost wierdly calm about it. But maybe he didn’t want to just show it. But said we are alert and prepared for anything, but chances Russia will do anything are low, but never zero.
swordfish wrote:
"Finland confirmed on Sunday that it would apply for NATO membership and Sweden is expected to follow suit, in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. However...
"Finland confirmed on Sunday that it would apply for NATO membership and Sweden is expected to follow suit, in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. However Turkey's concerns may pose an obstacle, as any decision on NATO enlargement requires unanimous approval by all 30 member states."



BERLIN, May 15 (Reuters) - Turkey's foreign minister said on Sunday that Sweden and Finland must stop supporting terrorist groups in their countries, provide clear security guarantees and lift export bans on Turkey as they seek membership in NATO.
I would bet Turkey won't vote against NATO membership of Finland or Sweden for fear of not being approved to buy the 40 F-16's and 80 modernization kits they want. If the Sec. of State and the Defense Secretary aren't having that discussion with Turkeys leadership, they will eventually. Turkey didn't think buying the S-400 radar system would cost them the F-35 deal but it did.
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Sandvik74 wrote:
Finnish president spoke with Putin over phone yesterday and told him we are joining NATO, he said it would be a huge mistake, but surprisingly didn’t...
Finnish president spoke with Putin over phone yesterday and told him we are joining NATO, he said it would be a huge mistake, but surprisingly didn’t say a single threat about it and said Putin was almost wierdly calm about it. But maybe he didn’t want to just show it. But said we are alert and prepared for anything, but chances Russia will do anything are low, but never zero.
swordfish wrote:
"Finland confirmed on Sunday that it would apply for NATO membership and Sweden is expected to follow suit, in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. However...
"Finland confirmed on Sunday that it would apply for NATO membership and Sweden is expected to follow suit, in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. However Turkey's concerns may pose an obstacle, as any decision on NATO enlargement requires unanimous approval by all 30 member states."



BERLIN, May 15 (Reuters) - Turkey's foreign minister said on Sunday that Sweden and Finland must stop supporting terrorist groups in their countries, provide clear security guarantees and lift export bans on Turkey as they seek membership in NATO.
dkurtd wrote:
I would bet Turkey won't vote against NATO membership of Finland or Sweden for fear of not being approved to buy the 40 F-16's and 80...
I would bet Turkey won't vote against NATO membership of Finland or Sweden for fear of not being approved to buy the 40 F-16's and 80 modernization kits they want. If the Sec. of State and the Defense Secretary aren't having that discussion with Turkeys leadership, they will eventually. Turkey didn't think buying the S-400 radar system would cost them the F-35 deal but it did.
Sweden made a statement expressing their confidence Turkey would not block them.
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Turkey already said they won`t block them. They just want some questions answered.
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Since the beggining of war, unprecedented number of russians left Russia. Official russian state number is 3.8 million. They go to Turkey, Egypt, Kazahstan, Baltic States, Armenia, Georgia. And it`s just a beggining. People getting out before iron curtain shuts down.
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Sandvik74 5/16/2022 10:24am
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kongols wrote:
Putin on Finland and Sweden joining Nato: "Russia has no problem with those states. So there is no direct threat from expansion to those countries. But...
Funny how he’s been threatening us for the last 20 years for joining NATO, and now that it happend he totally switched around and dosen’t almost even care because he knows we have no intentions of attacking Russia.
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Sandvik74 5/16/2022 10:26am
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But on the Russian propaganda tv they already pushed to the people that Finland joined NATO and we are already putting our military together to attack Russia
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kongols 5/16/2022 11:07am
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Russian telegram chanels from Mariupol is saying all solders from Azovstal came out of Bunkers. Some say it`s from order by Zelensky. Wounded are taken to hospital, POW`s to camp near Mariupol.
Haven`t seen much on ukrainian media.
Russians are saying there is a deal made. Perhaps they`ll exchange all Pow`s. And that includes high ranking russian pilots that are being procecuted in Ukraine right now. We`ll see.
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kongols 5/16/2022 11:26am
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From AZOV.


No weapon will work without professional servicemen, making them the most valuable element of the army.
In order to save lives, the entire Mariupol garrison is implementing the approved decision of the Supreme Military Command and hopes for the support of the Ukrainian people.
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kongols 5/16/2022 11:38am
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Russians are panicking that all Mariupol defenders will be exchanged. Russians wanted public executions of AZOV. Everyone screeming treason. Even prominent bloggers from frontline.
Might be true and might be bullshit. On a other hand- I don`t see Azov laying down weapons without Zelensky order and I don`t see Zelensky giving such order without concrete deal.
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kongols 5/16/2022 11:50am
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Turkey again changed it`s mind. Erdogan says he`ll block Finland and Sweden joining NATO.
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kongols 5/16/2022 12:02pm
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Ukraine says 51 seriously wounded from Mariupol been exchanged for russian POW`s. Not a surrender.
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Igor Girkin is russian GRU colonel who started whole war in Donbass back in 2014. He and his team directed all of it back then.


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