The Ukraine is in a tight spot

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3/5/2022 2:09am
If the media / freedom of speech is cut off in Russia the only way for it to effect public opinion if is sanctions start to have an effect on Joe public and they know why , it just ends up like North Korea otherwise with the blame put for everything on the evil west

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3/5/2022 2:09am
Elliot wrote:
It's real. He's ok and back home. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/03/05/536566/s1200_sky.jpg[/img]
It's real. He's ok and back home.


That video is wild
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billyslad wrote:
If the media / freedom of speech is cut off in Russia the only way for it to effect public opinion if is sanctions start to...
If the media / freedom of speech is cut off in Russia the only way for it to effect public opinion if is sanctions start to have an effect on Joe public and they know why , it just ends up like North Korea otherwise with the blame put for everything on the evil west

Like they say, the first casualty of war is the truth. Not sure when that phrase was coined but it's even more true in the age of the internet.
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Elliot wrote:
Russia has announced a temporary ceasefire in Mariupol and Volnovakha.

We'll see how long that lasts or even if it gets implemented...
Well that didn't last long...


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3/5/2022 3:23am
Seems everyone is certain heavy bombardment of major cities is about to happen at any time. MSM , based on intelligence releases. And also Macron was sounding very bad about the upcoming days, a couple days ago, after his phone call with Putin. Unsure
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3/5/2022 3:36am
flarider wrote:
I have said many times, we all likely agree more than everyone realizes.

We all want the same things, just different ways of going about it
tuggy450 wrote:
Went down this road before, Keep saying it cause it sounds nice, but it is not true. Does Putin want the same things as the Ukraine...
Went down this road before, Keep saying it cause it sounds nice, but it is not true.

Does Putin want the same things as the Ukraine?

Maybe he just has a different way of going about it.

I meant us Americans
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kongols wrote:
China stopped buying russian gas and huge bank of China stopped operations in Russia. There is a lot going on behind a curtain. Kremlin is waitting...
China stopped buying russian gas and huge bank of China stopped operations in Russia. There is a lot going on behind a curtain. Kremlin is waitting on Ukraine for talks.
tuggy450 wrote:
Well I only hope, that china gets on board with the the sanctions. I would have liked to have had them not abstain in the un...
Well I only hope, that china gets on board with the the sanctions. I would have liked to have had them not abstain in the un on vote to condemn the aggression in the UN, or petition to change their vote. Even If just symbolic, condemning the aggression would help send a stronger message that he really has no allies in this.
China won't sanction Russia as they have too much to lose.
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plowboy wrote:
Good catch buddy;) I worked for Dowell out of the Enid Oklahoma site. You are correct...that was back in the early '80's. We dumped so many...
Good catch buddyWink I worked for Dowell out of the Enid Oklahoma site. You are correct...that was back in the early '80's. We dumped so many ungodly chemicals into the streams and rivers...it's a crime. I've stood a foot deep in sulfuric acid on location and pumped it right into the river...many times. The fish kills were a sin. Even when they sucked up the pit...it went to a disposal well that polluted the water table.
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I'm a 3rd generation hand, the things my dad and my grandfather did that we don't do now. The old Western Company of North America yard...
I'm a 3rd generation hand, the things my dad and my grandfather did that we don't do now. The old Western Company of North America yard in Gillette, WY is so contaminated from the guys changing their oil at the back of the yard that the property will never be used again, or can ever sell.
plowboy wrote:
As I said, I worked for Dowell...a division of Dow chemical. I'm sure that most of the stuff we pumped down hole was stuff Dow wanted...
As I said, I worked for Dowell...a division of Dow chemical. I'm sure that most of the stuff we pumped down hole was stuff Dow wanted rid of cheaper than "legal" disposal costs. We received it off rail tanker cars and injected it through the blender.
No offense, but you guys (and your stories) is why the tree huggers and NIMBY folks lose their shit anytime anyone mentions drilling a new hole
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I may have missed it while sleeping, but I read online there were rumors of Moscow imposing martial law and conscripting men of fighting age.

Did that happen?
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flarider wrote:
I may have missed it while sleeping, but I read online there were rumors of Moscow imposing martial law and conscripting men of fighting age. Did...
I may have missed it while sleeping, but I read online there were rumors of Moscow imposing martial law and conscripting men of fighting age.

Did that happen?
No, not yet.
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kongols wrote:
The Ministry of Emergency Situations reports that three FAB-500 aerial bombs were found in the yards near Chernihiv According to preliminary data, they appeared as a...
Some dude will be along soon with a smoke dangling to carry it off.

(I'm sorry, but I love these people and their tenacity)
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This is why we're staying out of it (for now)

The Associated Press
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BREAKING: Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Moscow would consider any third-party declaration of a no-fly zone over Ukraine as “participation in the armed conflict.”
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3/5/2022 7:16am
How will this end? It's obvious that Pootin will use any means necessary to achieve his objective and the West knows that.

There is a good chance that this is going to turn real ugly in the near future.

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3/5/2022 7:22am

President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that Western sanctions on Russia were akin to a declaration of war and warned that any attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would be tantamount to entering the conflict.

Putin reiterated that his aims in Ukraine are to defend Russian speaking communities through the "demilitarisation and de-Nazification" of the country so that it became neutral.

Ukraine and Western countries have dismissed this as a baseless pretext for the invasion he launched on 24 February and have imposed a sweeping range of sanctions aimed at isolating Moscow.



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3/5/2022 7:41am
It seems there are many people here with very short memories



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There are moments when the tectonic plates of history shift beneath our feet and Europe is violently remade. It is time to recognise that we are at such a moment. Time too, to stop saying that it is somehow unbelievable that this can be happening in 2022.

It is no more unbelievable now than it was in 1914 or 1939 - nothing predetermined that they would be years when darkness would descend. That's not to say, of course, that we are on the edge of a war that will suck in the rest of Europe or even the world.

The point is that peace is always fragile - and that what happens even in the most distant corners of Europe will always affect all of us.

Drawing the right lessons from those big moments when everything changes is not easy.

The French military commander Ferdinand Foch called the end of World War One a "20-year" ceasefire - because he felt the victorious allies had overplayed their hand in dealing with the defeated German Empire. He was about a year out.

The question for our generation is whether or not we made a similar miscalculation over how to handle Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed. We rejoiced as Poland, the Baltic States and others took their place among the free nations of the world.

Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic - once occupied by Soviets - joined Nato in 1999. The Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia followed five years later.

But the dark energy that drives Vladimir Putin is the other side of that coin. He saw Russia diminished, humiliated and stripped of what he saw as its right to a buffer zone of subordinate states.

He illustrates the point with a story - which might even be true - from his own shadowy past. A former colonel in the counter-intelligence corps of the KGB, Putin was reduced to acting as a part-time taxi driver. One imagines he would have been rather a difficult one.

At some point he conceived an almost mystical concept of restoring lost Russian greatness. He must have been encouraged by the way in which he got away with the annexation of Crimea - from Ukraine - in 2014. After all, four years later we were enjoying the World Cup in Russia.

Western Europe's main reaction to the end of the Cold War was to take a 30-year holiday from serious defence spending.

At one point a few years ago, only four of Germany's 128 fighter aircraft were combat ready and the Dutch had a plan to dispose of every one of their heavy tanks. The Dutch have thought again and the Germans are now proposing to spend an extra €100bn (£83bn) on defence.

It is good of course that Germany reflects on its past, but it's even better that it is thinking of the future too.

The German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is a Social Democrat who certainly didn't run for office on a promise of raising defence spending but he has risen to the historical demands of the moment rather impressively.

"With the invasion of Ukraine we are in a new era," he told the German parliament - defining the challenge of that new era as a simple question: "Whether we allow Putin to turn back the clock, or whether we mobilise power to set boundaries for warmongers such as Putin."

They are extraordinary words from the leader of a country where politicians once argued that the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941 made it impossible to stand up to the Kremlin

Sweden, which is wealthy and well-armed but militarily non-aligned, was the first country to feel colder winds blowing from the East and perhaps the first to act. It is increasing defence spending by an extraordinary 40% in its current five-year cycle - raising new infantry regiments and buying American Patriot anti-aircraft missiles.

The Swedish Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist said simply: " We have a situation where Russia is prepared to use military means to achieve political goals."

So the rather decadent view - that the only weapon the West would ever need is economic sanctions - is out of fashion now. You can't fight tanks with banks. No-one wants to see this continent turned into an armed camp of course, but when you feel those tectonic plates shifting you have to shift with them. Acting now - buying weapons and donating money - is the easy bit when the hot sharp stab of outrage is fresh.

But this new age of containment is going to call for much more. The will to stand with Ukrainians first - but then the grit, vision and staying power to stand guard over freedom wherever and whenever the next attack might come.






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