Let's see/review those 2019 kx450s

adamw21
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Monk wrote:
No?
adamw21 wrote:
24mx dosent ship to the states or so I have read
Monk wrote:
Wonder what's the justification? I should order a bunch and then send them south...
I guess 24mx won’t do it because of customs and tax. But you you’re willing to ship me a pie maybe we can work something out !
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Monk wrote:
Jesus, 4hrs later and I'm only on page 85...
Monk wrote:
Made it to the end... 160+ pages later I have learned there really isn't all too much people are doing to these bikes, mostly just personal...
Made it to the end...

160+ pages later I have learned there really isn't all too much people are doing to these bikes, mostly just personal or cosmetic...Here are my general observations.

-Exhaust isn't needed for performance as the consensus is the bike runs really well stock, but more so for more aesthetic reasons. Yes, possibly ugly but it does kinda grow on you. Either reinforced the stock subframe or rubber mount the exhaust.

-Stock chain roller and slider are junk and should be replaced

-Suspension seems to be awesome for 90% of us, with only a few needing/wanting revalves. Heavier springs on both ends for anyone outside the average guy, only 1 spring rate in the front is needed for the average guy. No one seems to have bolted up any A-kit stuff where if you ride a KTM it's about 50/50...lol

-Torque specs are important as the bike is 'softer' then some other manufacturers

-Clutch in 19/20 models comes with easily fixable concerns. 21 models seem to be addressed

-Not many have pushed over 100hrs on these bikes that is documented in this thread

-According to MXA the fork guards/plastics are brittle, don't recall one mention of broken fork guards on this entire thread.

-Offroad information is limited to only a few guys but all seem positive

-Lots of jumped from other Japanese brands to the Kawi, only a few from the Austrian brands have made the jump

-250mm rear disc seems partial across the board, some like, some don’t. No complaints with the front

-ARC seem to be the go to folding levers

-PC seems to be the go-to for Kawi. Limited complaints on their products

-Luxon/Ride Engineering for bar mounts but clamps seem to be a take it or leave it deal. Same with WCM.

-Not 1 person remarked or complained about the weight. Funny, that's what every KTM talks about, how light their stuff is.

-I think I'm one of the first with the XC model (but it's not widely different then the MX model anyway)

-No mentions of lightning (I'll be doing some night rides so I'll post up)

-No one complained about the stock grips

-Bike always seems to start reliably and people aren't upgrading the battery unless needed

-Stock wheels seem to be solid a free of concern of loose spokes or soft rims.

-Gull coverage skid plate is welcomed

WDSRCR wrote:
Monk, I also have the 21 XC and may be a little off your pace but maybe not by much. I'm 215lb (97.5kg) and 5'9" (152.5...
Monk, I also have the 21 XC and may be a little off your pace but maybe not by much. I'm 215lb (97.5kg) and 5'9" (152.5 Cm). My replies to your observations are below in BOLD

-Exhaust isn't needed for performance as the consensus is the bike runs really well stock, but more so for more aesthetic reasons. Yes, possibly ugly but it does kinda grow on you. Either reinforced the stock subframe or rubber mount the exhaust. Exhaust was only truly required for me due to needing a Spark Arrestor. Since I had Team Green $ available, I bought the full FMF Systemm, and drilled the can for the rubber grommet. The system seemed to give the bike a little more hit earlier in the powerband and it certainly pulls harder through the midrange.

-Stock chain roller and slider are junk and should be replaced. I just replaced my slider with 38 hours on it. It was almost worn completely through. The lower roller seems fine aside from the two small grooves where the chain runs. I replaced the Chain Guide by 20 hours due to the aluminum bending a little and the chain wearing through the side of the plastic inside. I used Acerbis and it seems to be wearing fairly well.

-Suspension seems to be awesome for 90% of us, with only a few needing/wanting revalves. Heavier springs on both ends for anyone outside the average guy, only 1 spring rate in the front is needed for the average guy. No one seems to have bolted up any A-kit stuff where if you ride a KTM it's about 50/50...lol I am riding bone stock suspension on the bike right now to good effect. It's a little firm for slower, tighter trail but it great when speeds pick up. I will be sending it to Protune in Ohio after the first round of the NEPG series this coming weekend. I came from KTM and had the WP bladder on the shock, and Cone Valve forks. This stock Showa suspension rivals the reworked A kit WP stuff for sure.

-Torque specs are important as the bike is 'softer' then some other manufacturers. I haven't had a problem with anything being "soft" yet. The worst I have encountered is the inner fender bolts that the seat bolts to. They are annoying, move around, and I almsot cross threaded a seat bolt into the exhaust side.

-Clutch in 19/20 models comes with easily fixable concerns. 21 models seem to be addressed. I haven't had any problems yet with my clutch aside from getting it hot in a race one time. I spoke to Stu Baylor at the Indiana NEPG and the clutch on his 20 was the only real issue he claimed to have. He recommended replacing the basket and hub with a good hardened billet setup. He claimed the OEM was soft enough that once you wore one clutch, there was enough of a groove started that it allowed new plates to slip and smoke quickly.

-Not many have pushed over 100hrs on these bikes that is documented in this thread, Im not to 100 yet but have 40 on it since late August. Should hit 100 around May if weather permits.

-According to MXA the fork guards/plastics are brittle, don't recall one mention of broken fork guards on this entire thread.

-Offroad information is limited to only a few guys but all seem positive.

-Lots of jumped from other Japanese brands to the Kawi, only a few from the Austrian brands have made the jump. I made the jump. I won't lie, there are times in really tight technical trail where I think the MX gearbox, even with the 51 rear sprocket, is a liability and the KTM 350 XCF would be a better choice for that.

-250mm rear disc seems partial across the board, some like, some don’t. No complaints with the front

-ARC seem to be the go to folding levers

-PC seems to be the go-to for Kawi. Limited complaints on their products

-Luxon/Ride Engineering for bar mounts but clamps seem to be a take it or leave it deal. Same with WCM. I just installed a XCGear Mako360 bar mount onto my bike. Will have more comments on that after this weekend. I had not had any problems with the stock mounts moving. I use G2 Ergo handguards and their Mongo mounts that attach the guards to the Top Triple Clamp. That kept the bars from twisting in a crash.

-Not 1 person remarked or complained about the weight. Funny, that's what every KTM talks about, how light their stuff is. I think the bike rides a lot lighter than it's true weight. The only time I noticed the added weight is putting it on a stand.

-I think I'm one of the first with the XC model (but it's not widely different then the MX model anyway)

-No mentions of lightning (I'll be doing some night rides so I'll post up). I will try to find the link to the company that has a plug and play lighting harness for the KX. They are in Canada. I haven't bought one yet. Shipping was 60% of the cost of the part so I skipped it for now. I would like to hear what you come up with. One series I ride requires bikes to be "street legal". I like to set my bikes up to look like they came with all the lights right from the factory with a clean install. Was very easy to do on the KTM.

-No one complained about the stock grips. I got about 2 rides with the stock grips. They seem very hard to me. I replaced them when I added handguards. I use ODI Gray Soft lockon grips.

-Bike always seems to start reliably and people aren't upgrading the battery unless needed. Only time I have an issue and have to hit the button more than once is if the bike coughs out in tight stuff while in too high of a gear. I've found to hit it, let off, and then hit it again works better than hitting and holding it.

-Stock wheels seem to be solid a free of concern of loose spokes or soft rims. I jjust went over all the spokes on my wheels two days ago. Rims have taken some hits but were true. Had quite a few spoke that needed torqued.

-Gull coverage skid plate is welcomed.I bought an Acerbis and am happy with it.
“Not 1 person remarked or complained about the weight. Funny, that's what every KTM talks about, how light their stuff is. I think the bike rides a lot lighter than it's true weight. The only time I noticed the added weight is putting it on a stand.”


The weight deal is a stupid concern for most amateur riders!
1) I have never had to carry my bike anywhere!
2) most amateurs are overweight themselves, so why worry about 2.5 lbs on your bike?
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Monk
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2/2/2021 8:59am
Monk wrote:
Jesus, 4hrs later and I'm only on page 85...
Monk wrote:
Made it to the end... 160+ pages later I have learned there really isn't all too much people are doing to these bikes, mostly just personal...
Made it to the end...

160+ pages later I have learned there really isn't all too much people are doing to these bikes, mostly just personal or cosmetic...Here are my general observations.

-Exhaust isn't needed for performance as the consensus is the bike runs really well stock, but more so for more aesthetic reasons. Yes, possibly ugly but it does kinda grow on you. Either reinforced the stock subframe or rubber mount the exhaust.

-Stock chain roller and slider are junk and should be replaced

-Suspension seems to be awesome for 90% of us, with only a few needing/wanting revalves. Heavier springs on both ends for anyone outside the average guy, only 1 spring rate in the front is needed for the average guy. No one seems to have bolted up any A-kit stuff where if you ride a KTM it's about 50/50...lol

-Torque specs are important as the bike is 'softer' then some other manufacturers

-Clutch in 19/20 models comes with easily fixable concerns. 21 models seem to be addressed

-Not many have pushed over 100hrs on these bikes that is documented in this thread

-According to MXA the fork guards/plastics are brittle, don't recall one mention of broken fork guards on this entire thread.

-Offroad information is limited to only a few guys but all seem positive

-Lots of jumped from other Japanese brands to the Kawi, only a few from the Austrian brands have made the jump

-250mm rear disc seems partial across the board, some like, some don’t. No complaints with the front

-ARC seem to be the go to folding levers

-PC seems to be the go-to for Kawi. Limited complaints on their products

-Luxon/Ride Engineering for bar mounts but clamps seem to be a take it or leave it deal. Same with WCM.

-Not 1 person remarked or complained about the weight. Funny, that's what every KTM talks about, how light their stuff is.

-I think I'm one of the first with the XC model (but it's not widely different then the MX model anyway)

-No mentions of lightning (I'll be doing some night rides so I'll post up)

-No one complained about the stock grips

-Bike always seems to start reliably and people aren't upgrading the battery unless needed

-Stock wheels seem to be solid a free of concern of loose spokes or soft rims.

-Gull coverage skid plate is welcomed

WDSRCR wrote:
Monk, I also have the 21 XC and may be a little off your pace but maybe not by much. I'm 215lb (97.5kg) and 5'9" (152.5...
Monk, I also have the 21 XC and may be a little off your pace but maybe not by much. I'm 215lb (97.5kg) and 5'9" (152.5 Cm). My replies to your observations are below in BOLD

-Exhaust isn't needed for performance as the consensus is the bike runs really well stock, but more so for more aesthetic reasons. Yes, possibly ugly but it does kinda grow on you. Either reinforced the stock subframe or rubber mount the exhaust. Exhaust was only truly required for me due to needing a Spark Arrestor. Since I had Team Green $ available, I bought the full FMF Systemm, and drilled the can for the rubber grommet. The system seemed to give the bike a little more hit earlier in the powerband and it certainly pulls harder through the midrange.

-Stock chain roller and slider are junk and should be replaced. I just replaced my slider with 38 hours on it. It was almost worn completely through. The lower roller seems fine aside from the two small grooves where the chain runs. I replaced the Chain Guide by 20 hours due to the aluminum bending a little and the chain wearing through the side of the plastic inside. I used Acerbis and it seems to be wearing fairly well.

-Suspension seems to be awesome for 90% of us, with only a few needing/wanting revalves. Heavier springs on both ends for anyone outside the average guy, only 1 spring rate in the front is needed for the average guy. No one seems to have bolted up any A-kit stuff where if you ride a KTM it's about 50/50...lol I am riding bone stock suspension on the bike right now to good effect. It's a little firm for slower, tighter trail but it great when speeds pick up. I will be sending it to Protune in Ohio after the first round of the NEPG series this coming weekend. I came from KTM and had the WP bladder on the shock, and Cone Valve forks. This stock Showa suspension rivals the reworked A kit WP stuff for sure.

-Torque specs are important as the bike is 'softer' then some other manufacturers. I haven't had a problem with anything being "soft" yet. The worst I have encountered is the inner fender bolts that the seat bolts to. They are annoying, move around, and I almsot cross threaded a seat bolt into the exhaust side.

-Clutch in 19/20 models comes with easily fixable concerns. 21 models seem to be addressed. I haven't had any problems yet with my clutch aside from getting it hot in a race one time. I spoke to Stu Baylor at the Indiana NEPG and the clutch on his 20 was the only real issue he claimed to have. He recommended replacing the basket and hub with a good hardened billet setup. He claimed the OEM was soft enough that once you wore one clutch, there was enough of a groove started that it allowed new plates to slip and smoke quickly.

-Not many have pushed over 100hrs on these bikes that is documented in this thread, Im not to 100 yet but have 40 on it since late August. Should hit 100 around May if weather permits.

-According to MXA the fork guards/plastics are brittle, don't recall one mention of broken fork guards on this entire thread.

-Offroad information is limited to only a few guys but all seem positive.

-Lots of jumped from other Japanese brands to the Kawi, only a few from the Austrian brands have made the jump. I made the jump. I won't lie, there are times in really tight technical trail where I think the MX gearbox, even with the 51 rear sprocket, is a liability and the KTM 350 XCF would be a better choice for that.

-250mm rear disc seems partial across the board, some like, some don’t. No complaints with the front

-ARC seem to be the go to folding levers

-PC seems to be the go-to for Kawi. Limited complaints on their products

-Luxon/Ride Engineering for bar mounts but clamps seem to be a take it or leave it deal. Same with WCM. I just installed a XCGear Mako360 bar mount onto my bike. Will have more comments on that after this weekend. I had not had any problems with the stock mounts moving. I use G2 Ergo handguards and their Mongo mounts that attach the guards to the Top Triple Clamp. That kept the bars from twisting in a crash.

-Not 1 person remarked or complained about the weight. Funny, that's what every KTM talks about, how light their stuff is. I think the bike rides a lot lighter than it's true weight. The only time I noticed the added weight is putting it on a stand.

-I think I'm one of the first with the XC model (but it's not widely different then the MX model anyway)

-No mentions of lightning (I'll be doing some night rides so I'll post up). I will try to find the link to the company that has a plug and play lighting harness for the KX. They are in Canada. I haven't bought one yet. Shipping was 60% of the cost of the part so I skipped it for now. I would like to hear what you come up with. One series I ride requires bikes to be "street legal". I like to set my bikes up to look like they came with all the lights right from the factory with a clean install. Was very easy to do on the KTM.

-No one complained about the stock grips. I got about 2 rides with the stock grips. They seem very hard to me. I replaced them when I added handguards. I use ODI Gray Soft lockon grips.

-Bike always seems to start reliably and people aren't upgrading the battery unless needed. Only time I have an issue and have to hit the button more than once is if the bike coughs out in tight stuff while in too high of a gear. I've found to hit it, let off, and then hit it again works better than hitting and holding it.

-Stock wheels seem to be solid a free of concern of loose spokes or soft rims. I jjust went over all the spokes on my wheels two days ago. Rims have taken some hits but were true. Had quite a few spoke that needed torqued.

-Gull coverage skid plate is welcomed.I bought an Acerbis and am happy with it.
Off my pace? Lol, I'm old and slow now...

I've got about 4hrs on it now and majorly impressed so far. With my history on ThumperTalk, we have partnered to do a build, as well documenting my season with the bike. Lots of good parts are in the mail!

Not 100% committed for a full race season (yet I've been training like I am) but might make a couple rounds. It's difficult for me to race with the long season, being 40, family and business owner.

No intention of spamming or disrespecting anyone on Vital but if you want to have a look at what's going on with my experience with the KX450XC, you are welcome to check out my thread on TT. I will post on here as well if others continue to show interest.

https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1360553-2021-kawasaki-kx450xc-thum…
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Monk wrote:
Off my pace? Lol, I'm old and slow now... I've got about 4hrs on it now and majorly impressed so far. With my history on ThumperTalk...
Off my pace? Lol, I'm old and slow now...

I've got about 4hrs on it now and majorly impressed so far. With my history on ThumperTalk, we have partnered to do a build, as well documenting my season with the bike. Lots of good parts are in the mail!

Not 100% committed for a full race season (yet I've been training like I am) but might make a couple rounds. It's difficult for me to race with the long season, being 40, family and business owner.

No intention of spamming or disrespecting anyone on Vital but if you want to have a look at what's going on with my experience with the KX450XC, you are welcome to check out my thread on TT. I will post on here as well if others continue to show interest.

https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1360553-2021-kawasaki-kx450xc-thum…
40A here. Full time career plus a business. I get most of my riding done at the races now. Very little practice time these last 5-7 years. Typically if I can be in the top 20% overall at an NEPG, I am happy.

I will venture over to TT and see what you have going on. I have read some of you posts over there in the past and you do a nice job writing. That's something I have always wanted to get into but life keeps getting in the way.

-J
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Monk wrote:
Off my pace? Lol, I'm old and slow now... I've got about 4hrs on it now and majorly impressed so far. With my history on ThumperTalk...
Off my pace? Lol, I'm old and slow now...

I've got about 4hrs on it now and majorly impressed so far. With my history on ThumperTalk, we have partnered to do a build, as well documenting my season with the bike. Lots of good parts are in the mail!

Not 100% committed for a full race season (yet I've been training like I am) but might make a couple rounds. It's difficult for me to race with the long season, being 40, family and business owner.

No intention of spamming or disrespecting anyone on Vital but if you want to have a look at what's going on with my experience with the KX450XC, you are welcome to check out my thread on TT. I will post on here as well if others continue to show interest.

https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1360553-2021-kawasaki-kx450xc-thum…
WDSRCR wrote:
40A here. Full time career plus a business. I get most of my riding done at the races now. Very little practice time these last 5-7...
40A here. Full time career plus a business. I get most of my riding done at the races now. Very little practice time these last 5-7 years. Typically if I can be in the top 20% overall at an NEPG, I am happy.

I will venture over to TT and see what you have going on. I have read some of you posts over there in the past and you do a nice job writing. That's something I have always wanted to get into but life keeps getting in the way.

-J
Thank you for the writing compliment.

More then half of our Pro class is guys over 30 (and half of those guys are over 35). They won't make a 30+ Pro class because they would lose most of the Pro class...lol
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Zeke27G wrote:
Engine braking help? Rode at Pala yesterday and the place was soft and really rutted. More than ever I noticed the engine braking and wished I...

Engine braking help?

Rode at Pala yesterday and the place was soft and really rutted. More than ever I noticed the engine braking and wished I had more of a freewheeling feel. My ECU was mapped by PC, but I was thinking of trying a Vortex ECU and having it mapped by Twisted Development? Or maybe I should skip that and try a Rekluse clutch?
Don't waste your money on a rekluse to reduce engine braking. It's a common misconception that it has that effect. I had a radius cx on a previous bike and it functioned exactly like a stock clutch until engine rpm dropped down near idle. I believe Hinson has a slipper clutch, but I don't know of anyone using these in moto.

Ecu tuning is probably going to be your best bet. I'm with you, I don't like engine braking.
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I have a Vortex ECU mapped by TD for sale for the 19-21 Kaw 450..

text or call 614-747-5249..
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49weasel wrote:
I have a Vortex ECU mapped by TD for sale for the 19-21 Kaw 450..

text or call 614-747-5249..
Text sent.
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Zeke27G wrote:
Engine braking help? Rode at Pala yesterday and the place was soft and really rutted. More than ever I noticed the engine braking and wished I...

Engine braking help?

Rode at Pala yesterday and the place was soft and really rutted. More than ever I noticed the engine braking and wished I had more of a freewheeling feel. My ECU was mapped by PC, but I was thinking of trying a Vortex ECU and having it mapped by Twisted Development? Or maybe I should skip that and try a Rekluse clutch?
How much throttle cable slack? Where is the position of your throttle housing? This takes no mapping. I know it is personal preference.
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adamw21 wrote:
To bad those aren’t for the us
Monk wrote:
No?
adamw21 wrote:
24mx dosent ship to the states or so I have read
Dont bother i tried Them on My bike but didnt like the look or how big they were so i sent them right back 😀
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Those 24mx look the same as the propeg ti pegs on my ktm. I personally love the size/width
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I’ve been checking in on this thread here and there since it started, but this purchase is going to encourage me to go back to the beginning and take it all in. 2021 Kawi 450, my first Kawi since the 06 KX450F (which I really enjoyed racing) in 2005/2006. Stoked!


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Happy new bike day! Enjoy
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soggy wrote:
Those 24mx look the same as the propeg ti pegs on my ktm. I personally love the size/width
For whatever reason the return springs are too light. My KTM springs weren't this light so IDK. I will mount the stock Kawi springs as they have more strength to them..
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Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at -2°f and getting colder..

I moved from 105mm to 102mm sag and the bike turns considerably better. Spring rates are unbalanced as I don't have my fronts in yet so the 5.7 rear is over-powering the front. I'm looking at Ride Engineerings 21.5 clamps to really hone the steering in... Any opinions? Our offroad races are tight so turning is favored over stability.

https://youtu.be/dZJ0zbSbPSw
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Kyle978 wrote:
I’ve been checking in on this thread here and there since it started, but this purchase is going to encourage me to go back to the...
I’ve been checking in on this thread here and there since it started, but this purchase is going to encourage me to go back to the beginning and take it all in. 2021 Kawi 450, my first Kawi since the 06 KX450F (which I really enjoyed racing) in 2005/2006. Stoked!



Welcome to 2019-2021 KX450's Anonymous, please state your name and tell us about the issues in your life with the previous brand that brought you here and what your recovery goals are?! Just jokin...congrats!

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Monk wrote:
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at...
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at -2°f and getting colder..

I moved from 105mm to 102mm sag and the bike turns considerably better. Spring rates are unbalanced as I don't have my fronts in yet so the 5.7 rear is over-powering the front. I'm looking at Ride Engineerings 21.5 clamps to really hone the steering in... Any opinions? Our offroad races are tight so turning is favored over stability.

https://youtu.be/dZJ0zbSbPSw
Im running the Ride Eng. 21.5mm triple clamps. I feel it greatly improved the cornering. I know some have said the 22mm clamps are a happy medium, but ive never experienced anything negative with the way the 21.5's perform. The 21.5's got the bike cornering the way I want.
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Monk wrote:
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at...
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at -2°f and getting colder..

I moved from 105mm to 102mm sag and the bike turns considerably better. Spring rates are unbalanced as I don't have my fronts in yet so the 5.7 rear is over-powering the front. I'm looking at Ride Engineerings 21.5 clamps to really hone the steering in... Any opinions? Our offroad races are tight so turning is favored over stability.

https://youtu.be/dZJ0zbSbPSw
Im running the Ride Eng. 21.5mm triple clamps. I feel it greatly improved the cornering. I know some have said the 22mm clamps are a happy...
Im running the Ride Eng. 21.5mm triple clamps. I feel it greatly improved the cornering. I know some have said the 22mm clamps are a happy medium, but ive never experienced anything negative with the way the 21.5's perform. The 21.5's got the bike cornering the way I want.
So it’s turning faster now?
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Monk wrote:
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at...
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at -2°f and getting colder..

I moved from 105mm to 102mm sag and the bike turns considerably better. Spring rates are unbalanced as I don't have my fronts in yet so the 5.7 rear is over-powering the front. I'm looking at Ride Engineerings 21.5 clamps to really hone the steering in... Any opinions? Our offroad races are tight so turning is favored over stability.

https://youtu.be/dZJ0zbSbPSw
Im running the Ride Eng. 21.5mm triple clamps. I feel it greatly improved the cornering. I know some have said the 22mm clamps are a happy...
Im running the Ride Eng. 21.5mm triple clamps. I feel it greatly improved the cornering. I know some have said the 22mm clamps are a happy medium, but ive never experienced anything negative with the way the 21.5's perform. The 21.5's got the bike cornering the way I want.
kkawboy14 wrote:
So it’s turning faster now?
davidgrip
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2/11/2021 7:16am
Monk wrote:
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at...
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at -2°f and getting colder..

I moved from 105mm to 102mm sag and the bike turns considerably better. Spring rates are unbalanced as I don't have my fronts in yet so the 5.7 rear is over-powering the front. I'm looking at Ride Engineerings 21.5 clamps to really hone the steering in... Any opinions? Our offroad races are tight so turning is favored over stability.

https://youtu.be/dZJ0zbSbPSw
Are you using the stock gearing and chain? Try going to a 116 link chain and moving the axle back for better bike balance.

Monk
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Monk wrote:
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at...
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at -2°f and getting colder..

I moved from 105mm to 102mm sag and the bike turns considerably better. Spring rates are unbalanced as I don't have my fronts in yet so the 5.7 rear is over-powering the front. I'm looking at Ride Engineerings 21.5 clamps to really hone the steering in... Any opinions? Our offroad races are tight so turning is favored over stability.

https://youtu.be/dZJ0zbSbPSw
davidgrip wrote:
Are you using the stock gearing and chain? Try going to a 116 link chain and moving the axle back for better bike balance. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/02/11/477995/s1200_003.jpg[/img]
Are you using the stock gearing and chain? Try going to a 116 link chain and moving the axle back for better bike balance.

Stock gearing yes so far... New chain going on as the stock one was done at 5.5hrs.
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davidgrip
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2/11/2021 7:25am
Monk wrote:
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at...
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at -2°f and getting colder..

I moved from 105mm to 102mm sag and the bike turns considerably better. Spring rates are unbalanced as I don't have my fronts in yet so the 5.7 rear is over-powering the front. I'm looking at Ride Engineerings 21.5 clamps to really hone the steering in... Any opinions? Our offroad races are tight so turning is favored over stability.

https://youtu.be/dZJ0zbSbPSw
davidgrip wrote:
Are you using the stock gearing and chain? Try going to a 116 link chain and moving the axle back for better bike balance. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/02/11/477995/s1200_003.jpg[/img]
Are you using the stock gearing and chain? Try going to a 116 link chain and moving the axle back for better bike balance.

Monk wrote:
Stock gearing yes so far... New chain going on as the stock one was done at 5.5hrs.
Perfect time to try the 116 link setup. you can always take out 2 links.
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2/11/2021 7:47am
davidgrip wrote:
Are you using the stock gearing and chain? Try going to a 116 link chain and moving the axle back for better bike balance. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/02/11/477995/s1200_003.jpg[/img]
Are you using the stock gearing and chain? Try going to a 116 link chain and moving the axle back for better bike balance.

Your chain be to tight!
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2/11/2021 9:04am
davidgrip wrote:
Are you using the stock gearing and chain? Try going to a 116 link chain and moving the axle back for better bike balance. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/02/11/477995/s1200_003.jpg[/img]
Are you using the stock gearing and chain? Try going to a 116 link chain and moving the axle back for better bike balance.

Moto520 wrote:
Your chain be to tight!
Per service manual: Measure the space between the bottom of the chain and the swingarm. 48mm-54mm (1.9in.-2.1in.).
Not even close to 3 fingers of slack.
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Hi guys,
Ho do I adapt a front wheel from the 2016 to the 2019? Do I just need to change the bearings?
MX683
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2/12/2021 6:28am
Almus72 wrote:
Hi guys,
Ho do I adapt a front wheel from the 2016 to the 2019? Do I just need to change the bearings?
I just made bushings for the fork lugs and used an axle that fit the older wheel......I found bearings that might work, but I didn't trust them
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2/12/2021 6:29am
Almus72 wrote:
Hi guys,
Ho do I adapt a front wheel from the 2016 to the 2019? Do I just need to change the bearings?
MX683 wrote:
I just made bushings for the fork lugs and used an axle that fit the older wheel......I found bearings that might work, but I didn't trust...
I just made bushings for the fork lugs and used an axle that fit the older wheel......I found bearings that might work, but I didn't trust them
I also needed to use the spacers that went with the older wheel
Polish Power
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2/12/2021 7:45am
Monk wrote:
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at...
Funny how slow things look on video, but when you ride how quick things feel... Unfortunately the weather turned for the worst and currently sitting at -2°f and getting colder..

I moved from 105mm to 102mm sag and the bike turns considerably better. Spring rates are unbalanced as I don't have my fronts in yet so the 5.7 rear is over-powering the front. I'm looking at Ride Engineerings 21.5 clamps to really hone the steering in... Any opinions? Our offroad races are tight so turning is favored over stability.

https://youtu.be/dZJ0zbSbPSw
Im running the Ride Eng. 21.5mm triple clamps. I feel it greatly improved the cornering. I know some have said the 22mm clamps are a happy...
Im running the Ride Eng. 21.5mm triple clamps. I feel it greatly improved the cornering. I know some have said the 22mm clamps are a happy medium, but ive never experienced anything negative with the way the 21.5's perform. The 21.5's got the bike cornering the way I want.
kkawboy14 wrote:
So it’s turning faster now?
You could say that i guess. If anything there is less effort to turn in and more front end traction when turning tight or more front end bite in general. I found with the stock offset, it would push at times. Ironically, Keefer mentions the same thing is his lasted podcast for mods on the kx450. I havent noticed anything negative with the handling on the bike since switching to this offset. If u do some searching on the internet, there are a few videos where some say the 21.5 made the bike not handle as good.
Almus72
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2/12/2021 7:46am
Almus72 wrote:
Hi guys,
Ho do I adapt a front wheel from the 2016 to the 2019? Do I just need to change the bearings?
MX683 wrote:
I just made bushings for the fork lugs and used an axle that fit the older wheel......I found bearings that might work, but I didn't trust...
I just made bushings for the fork lugs and used an axle that fit the older wheel......I found bearings that might work, but I didn't trust them
MX683 wrote:
I also needed to use the spacers that went with the older wheel
Ok, but in principle I would just need bearings, right?
Grovesy98
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2/12/2021 8:17am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2021 8:20am
Fitted a HGS Full System to my 2020 today. Picked it up used on Ebay for a good price. Slight crack in carbon end cap but only small. It looks and sounds a million times better than the stock bazooka! The front pipe tucks in nice and tight too.

Ive made a sound comparison video for YouTube here - https://youtu.be/u62PgVezhTU

The sound is much louder and deeper, and the throttle response is improved. Not sure how available HGS is in the US but its a big brand here in Europe.

Looking forward to riding it, although gonna be another few weeks of lockdown here in England yet. Haven't ridden the bike for 9 weeks now!





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