I started an apparel company to help support privateers in the AMA Motocross and Supercross championships called PRVTR Ride Shop

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1/3/2021 9:18am
Jmicmoto13 wrote:
I can appreciate the iniative to get something like this off the ground and moving. Don't listent to all the static from the armchair CEO's around...
I can appreciate the iniative to get something like this off the ground and moving. Don't listent to all the static from the armchair CEO's around here. Everyone's a critic. Would be happy to help if you guys need anyone to bounce ideas off of or anything. Keep pushing!
Thank you! It's all good. We expected some needles in the haystack.
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1/3/2021 9:33am
RonSkj wrote:
$29 tee shirts, less 15% to riders. You're still getting almost $25. Is this you helping the riders or vise-versa?
I know, right? I also despise these fool trying to make profit by providing a product. Government alone should be making money and sending us checks!
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1/3/2021 9:40am
I have a suggestion as well, and I hope it helps you out.

IMO, reverse the pitch. Rather than leading with the charitable side, lead with the quality of the product. You customer base is too narrow to attempt the Tom's or Bombas socially aware business model. They can make it up in massive volumes, in the 10's and 100's of thousands of each design and size being sold.

Your situation, which is honorable, doesn't have the luxury of massive volume because there just isn't that many people in this niche sport.

You should make your primary marketing focus in honing down your message as a top quality product, that is offering support to those racers that need it.

It's just a simple swapping around of the message. I agree with elsewhere that your message is a little muddy and unclear what is going where. You have every right to make a reasonable profit, don't let anyone say otherwise.

One idea to consider to make this easier is first, define what a privateer is. Had this fight here years ago when WWR was around. Then, bear in mind that Ted Park's program is designed to help those guys. Another idea to take from WWR is to basically have privateer riders claim if they are or aren't a privateer in order to be eligible for funds. Things change and riders get jobs, but if you're doing the season on the road, say so by signing up in advance and being on the list (also gives time for review)

Then you pool all the proceeds and dispense equally to all on the list.

Picking and choosing who was or wasn't worthy of help was a sore spot for me with WWR.

Good luck
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1/3/2021 9:49am Edited Date/Time 1/3/2021 9:52am
If you like clothes for what they cost, buy one. But, if you're buying it to "help privateers", you're a fool. Instead buy a $10 shirt...
If you like clothes for what they cost, buy one. But, if you're buying it to "help privateers", you're a fool. Instead buy a $10 shirt you do like and PayPal $20 directly to a privateer. "Charity" marketing has many problems, the biggest that it is ripe for abuse, lacks transparency and is terribly inefficient at getting money to the intended recipient.

Again, if you like the shirt for $30, buy it and enjoy wearing it.
prvtr.co wrote:
You make great points, however, we WILL prove you wrong. We aren't some multi-billion dollar "non-profit" who's CEO makes $500M a year, and only a small...
You make great points, however, we WILL prove you wrong. We aren't some multi-billion dollar "non-profit" who's CEO makes $500M a year, and only a small smidgen of their profits actually do any good. We're a one/two person team working out of our living room trying to do something new for this sport. It's going to take some time, but keep an eye out on our site, social feeds, and here and you'll see we're not here to make a quick buck on some lousy scam. We could easily just make a motocross apparel company and do nothing but profit it from it but that's not what we want to do.
There's nothing to prove wrong. If people like your clothes, they should buy them. If they want to help privateers, they should send money directly to privateers, or buy merch directly from privateers. Which is exactly what you are planning. Your company wants to help privateers so you're sending money directly to them. And I applaud your company for doing so. But people don't need middleman to give money to privateers.

Again, people should buy the shirts if they like them. They get a shirt they like, and they get a bonus of knowing that they are buying from a company that supports privateers. But if the goal is to help privateers, they should bypass your shirts and give money directly.
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1/3/2021 10:22am Edited Date/Time 1/3/2021 10:26am
EngIceDave wrote:
I have a suggestion as well, and I hope it helps you out. IMO, reverse the pitch. Rather than leading with the charitable side, lead with...
I have a suggestion as well, and I hope it helps you out.

IMO, reverse the pitch. Rather than leading with the charitable side, lead with the quality of the product. You customer base is too narrow to attempt the Tom's or Bombas socially aware business model. They can make it up in massive volumes, in the 10's and 100's of thousands of each design and size being sold.

Your situation, which is honorable, doesn't have the luxury of massive volume because there just isn't that many people in this niche sport.

You should make your primary marketing focus in honing down your message as a top quality product, that is offering support to those racers that need it.

It's just a simple swapping around of the message. I agree with elsewhere that your message is a little muddy and unclear what is going where. You have every right to make a reasonable profit, don't let anyone say otherwise.

One idea to consider to make this easier is first, define what a privateer is. Had this fight here years ago when WWR was around. Then, bear in mind that Ted Park's program is designed to help those guys. Another idea to take from WWR is to basically have privateer riders claim if they are or aren't a privateer in order to be eligible for funds. Things change and riders get jobs, but if you're doing the season on the road, say so by signing up in advance and being on the list (also gives time for review)

Then you pool all the proceeds and dispense equally to all on the list.

Picking and choosing who was or wasn't worthy of help was a sore spot for me with WWR.

Good luck
Thank you for the suggestions. It's definitely tough in such a small market and you make some great points! We will absolutely take these into consideration.

As for our PRVTR Party Fund and who we are "funding", we are laying it out to any rider who is not on a factory team or factory-supported team. Otherwise, it's an open game. Defining a privateer over the past few years has gotten a little muddy, so we feel it doesn't need to be super specific, just as long as they are not on a top-tier team. Smaller team riders will be eligible such as SGB/Team Babbitts but teams like Smart Top/Bull Frogs spas won't be because they are factory supported. This also makes it easier for everyone because there are no sign-ups. We track it all based on AMA points throughout the season and determine who is eligible.

If our customers and fans (or even riders) feel a specific rider doesn't deserve to be eligible, we will then reach out to the rider to discuss exactly what their deal is and remove them if we feel the need to. Since we are doing our fund for the most improved rider, it still makes it a very even and level playing field for anyone to win.

With that all said, this is also a trial run. We may completely change it around when outdoors hits or we may keep it the same. Only time will tell!


Also - just as a note, we are also using Racer X and their "Privateer Profile" articles to further determine who is eligible.
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If you like clothes for what they cost, buy one. But, if you're buying it to "help privateers", you're a fool. Instead buy a $10 shirt...
If you like clothes for what they cost, buy one. But, if you're buying it to "help privateers", you're a fool. Instead buy a $10 shirt you do like and PayPal $20 directly to a privateer. "Charity" marketing has many problems, the biggest that it is ripe for abuse, lacks transparency and is terribly inefficient at getting money to the intended recipient.

Again, if you like the shirt for $30, buy it and enjoy wearing it.
prvtr.co wrote:
You make great points, however, we WILL prove you wrong. We aren't some multi-billion dollar "non-profit" who's CEO makes $500M a year, and only a small...
You make great points, however, we WILL prove you wrong. We aren't some multi-billion dollar "non-profit" who's CEO makes $500M a year, and only a small smidgen of their profits actually do any good. We're a one/two person team working out of our living room trying to do something new for this sport. It's going to take some time, but keep an eye out on our site, social feeds, and here and you'll see we're not here to make a quick buck on some lousy scam. We could easily just make a motocross apparel company and do nothing but profit it from it but that's not what we want to do.
There's nothing to prove wrong. If people like your clothes, they should buy them. If they want to help privateers, they should send money directly to...
There's nothing to prove wrong. If people like your clothes, they should buy them. If they want to help privateers, they should send money directly to privateers, or buy merch directly from privateers. Which is exactly what you are planning. Your company wants to help privateers so you're sending money directly to them. And I applaud your company for doing so. But people don't need middleman to give money to privateers.

Again, people should buy the shirts if they like them. They get a shirt they like, and they get a bonus of knowing that they are buying from a company that supports privateers. But if the goal is to help privateers, they should bypass your shirts and give money directly.
Yes, absolutely support privateers in whatever way you want to, it doesn't have to be through us!

However, we are creating motocross apparel meant to be different than personal/rider branded merch, so anyone who loves motocross has a lot of options. Currently, two of our four collections are PRVTR branded, but we do plan to have a lot more unique collections that are more moto-specific like the Raw and Kickstart collections once we get our branding more established. This way, your average motocross fan can buy merch they like without even knowing a privateer, yet it still helps them. And then hopefully we can help the average fan have a better understanding and respect for privateers through our way of giving back.
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1/4/2021 7:14pm
Boomslang wrote:
What are the normal prices of a T shirt that side? Here in SA we pay aroung $25 - $40 for say a Thor T...or Fox...
RonSkj wrote:
Well, these aren't Fox or Thor but Vital mx is selling tee shirts for $9.99 [url=https://store.vitalmedianet.com/category/vital-mx]store.vitalmedianet.com/category/vital-mx[/url] I'll bet if you sent $29 for one, they would...
Well, these aren't Fox or Thor but Vital mx is selling tee shirts for $9.99 store.vitalmedianet.com/category/vital-mx I'll bet if you sent $29 for one, they would be happy to kick down 15% to anyone you wanted.
RonSkj wrote:
Dam, I missed it.. Vital has some @ 7.99, Imma have to order a few.
Fasthouse and most others sell their Tshirts for about the same price and the ones on Vital that are for $7.99 are on sale because they only have size small left and I think most Vital members need a XL or bigger so no one they are blowing out the smalls.

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