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MX253 5/6/2009 9:25am
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GuyB wrote:
Supercross is plenty hard enough.

What's really hard is watching the quality of the posts here drop, the instant the season's over.

This ain't fight club.
I agree. It seems like people get on here just to argue-
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Big Lenny wrote:
All this crying about SX only and [b]real men[/b] riding MX is funny, how many of you [b]real men[/b] could actually ride an AMA SX track...
All this crying about SX only and real men riding MX is funny, how many of you real men could actually ride an AMA SX track at speed for 15 mins?, you can't, that's what the real gripe is all about...NFM
Im pretty sure Uptite use to race professionally...
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i've ridden pro supercross tracks and can tell you it is very difficult. throttle control and concentration are huge factors in it. but weren't you saying yesterday that only riders that do both deserve factory rides? do you argue just to argue?
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Big Lenny 5/6/2009 10:03am
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i've ridden pro supercross tracks and can tell you it is very difficult. throttle control and concentration are huge factors in it. but weren't you saying...
i've ridden pro supercross tracks and can tell you it is very difficult. throttle control and concentration are huge factors in it. but weren't you saying yesterday that only riders that do both deserve factory rides? do you argue just to argue?
That was a different topic, Duh...

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rc4187 wrote:
i've ridden pro supercross tracks and can tell you it is very difficult. throttle control and concentration are huge factors in it. but weren't you saying...
i've ridden pro supercross tracks and can tell you it is very difficult. throttle control and concentration are huge factors in it. but weren't you saying yesterday that only riders that do both deserve factory rides? do you argue just to argue?



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BUTCH 5/6/2009 10:07am
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Big Lenny wrote:
All this crying about SX only and [b]real men[/b] riding MX is funny, how many of you [b]real men[/b] could actually ride an AMA SX track...
All this crying about SX only and real men riding MX is funny, how many of you real men could actually ride an AMA SX track at speed for 15 mins?, you can't, that's what the real gripe is all about...NFM
Racer92 wrote:
You know that kinda goes both ways. I doubt James would be able to complete a humid/hot 3-hour harescramble that thousands of amatuers run on weekends.
You are joking , right?
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Big Lenny wrote:
That was a different topic, Duh...
Quiet boy..
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BobbyM 5/6/2009 10:12am
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Big Lenny wrote:
All this crying about SX only and [b]real men[/b] riding MX is funny, how many of you [b]real men[/b] could actually ride an AMA SX track...
All this crying about SX only and real men riding MX is funny, how many of you real men could actually ride an AMA SX track at speed for 15 mins?, you can't, that's what the real gripe is all about...NFM
I thought james sponsor didn't want to race mx and offered a contract accordingly. bfd...leave the kid alone...you can't expect him to pay to race, wtf?

one lap would do these these jokers in lenny.
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Dean 5/6/2009 10:15am
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Big Lenny wrote:
All this crying about SX only and [b]real men[/b] riding MX is funny, how many of you [b]real men[/b] could actually ride an AMA SX track...
All this crying about SX only and real men riding MX is funny, how many of you real men could actually ride an AMA SX track at speed for 15 mins?, you can't, that's what the real gripe is all about...NFM
BobbyM wrote:
I thought james sponsor didn't want to race mx and offered a contract accordingly. bfd...leave the kid alone...you can't expect him to pay to race, wtf...
I thought james sponsor didn't want to race mx and offered a contract accordingly. bfd...leave the kid alone...you can't expect him to pay to race, wtf?

one lap would do these these jokers in lenny.
uuhh Bobby, I think you misunderstood
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Big Lenny 5/6/2009 10:17am
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Big Lenny wrote:
That was a different topic, Duh...
troublebros wrote:
Quiet boy..
Redneck City weighs in...Huh
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Racer92 5/6/2009 10:50am
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You are joking , right?
No, not at all. Do you know what kinda fitness it takes to run an Expert or Pro level 3-hour GNCC type race?

Oh thats right, its only 'trail riding',, my bad..........
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Dean 5/6/2009 10:53am
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So you're saying the average amateur is better than James outdoors? He doesn't have to prove him self outdoors anymore. He's been there and done that...
So you're saying the average amateur is better than James outdoors? He doesn't have to prove him self outdoors anymore. He's been there and done that. If he was challenged, I'm sure he'd come out on top anyway. I had the chance to ride on both types of tracks and I'd prefer SX only also.
Racer92 wrote:
No I wasnt saying an amateur is better than James. Lenny had asked if anyone here could run a 15 minute Supercross, and the answer is...
No I wasnt saying an amateur is better than James. Lenny had asked if anyone here could run a 15 minute Supercross, and the answer is obviously no. Its a discipline most guys dont train for and arent prepared for.

Same goes with running a 3-hour scramble. It is NOT that easy to line up and go full-tilt in tight woods for 3 hours. It takes lots of training to get your body used to hours & hours of abuse and not get fatigued. Offroad cant just relax & rest if you want, especially if its a technical track with tight woods, steep drops, rocky creek beds, logs, etc, etc. You just cant take a break and always fighting the terrain, so it requires a different fitness. I can remember when Kiedrowski first tried offroad racing, he admitted upfront he had no clue it was that hard to run 3-hours WFO and it took him a while to adapt.
Dean wrote:
Henry was completely wasted after he won that one GNCC he ran. Now to be fair, I'm sure James could handle a 3 hour trail ride...
Henry was completely wasted after he won that one GNCC he ran.


Now to be fair, I'm sure James could handle a 3 hour trail ride pretty easily, but out there, trying to win the Pro class, he'd likely struggle
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DzynOne 5/6/2009 11:12am
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DzynOne wrote:
So you're saying the average amateur is better than James outdoors? He doesn't have to prove him self outdoors anymore. He's been there and done that...
So you're saying the average amateur is better than James outdoors? He doesn't have to prove him self outdoors anymore. He's been there and done that. If he was challenged, I'm sure he'd come out on top anyway. I had the chance to ride on both types of tracks and I'd prefer SX only also.
Racer92 wrote:
No I wasnt saying an amateur is better than James. Lenny had asked if anyone here could run a 15 minute Supercross, and the answer is...
No I wasnt saying an amateur is better than James. Lenny had asked if anyone here could run a 15 minute Supercross, and the answer is obviously no. Its a discipline most guys dont train for and arent prepared for.

Same goes with running a 3-hour scramble. It is NOT that easy to line up and go full-tilt in tight woods for 3 hours. It takes lots of training to get your body used to hours & hours of abuse and not get fatigued. Offroad cant just relax & rest if you want, especially if its a technical track with tight woods, steep drops, rocky creek beds, logs, etc, etc. You just cant take a break and always fighting the terrain, so it requires a different fitness. I can remember when Kiedrowski first tried offroad racing, he admitted upfront he had no clue it was that hard to run 3-hours WFO and it took him a while to adapt.
I agree, the scramble is difficult, but thats not what James wants to do. If it was, then he'd train and dominate that as well. Thats like basketball fans getting mad at Michael Jordan for not playing on the playground with street players (who are just as talented as pro players). Michael doesnt need to play street ball.

Plus, think of the business aspect of the Scramble versus Supercross. One makes WAY more money than the other. It's that simple.

It really bothers me that people want him to ride outdoors. He's been riding outdoors since he was a toddler! Give him a break. That goes for every rider who wants to do SX only. Let them ride where they want. If you like outdoor racing then you do it.

I'm just sayin.
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ChrisB 5/6/2009 11:40am
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I dunno, as a fan and someone that has ridden once or twice, I find it much more exciting to watch JS, RC, RV, KW, DV, etc, blow by me at Glen Helen at warp speed than watch those same guys jump triples all day... but that's JMO.

To each his own i guess
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DzynOne, dude Im not trying to squabble with you on anything, and i know James doesnt want to race offroad,, I never said that. I think you totally missed my point, but thats okay - - Im not very bright.



Never mind.............
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DzynOne wrote:
So you're saying the average amateur is better than James outdoors? He doesn't have to prove him self outdoors anymore. He's been there and done that...
So you're saying the average amateur is better than James outdoors? He doesn't have to prove him self outdoors anymore. He's been there and done that. If he was challenged, I'm sure he'd come out on top anyway. I had the chance to ride on both types of tracks and I'd prefer SX only also.
Racer92 wrote:
No I wasnt saying an amateur is better than James. Lenny had asked if anyone here could run a 15 minute Supercross, and the answer is...
No I wasnt saying an amateur is better than James. Lenny had asked if anyone here could run a 15 minute Supercross, and the answer is obviously no. Its a discipline most guys dont train for and arent prepared for.

Same goes with running a 3-hour scramble. It is NOT that easy to line up and go full-tilt in tight woods for 3 hours. It takes lots of training to get your body used to hours & hours of abuse and not get fatigued. Offroad cant just relax & rest if you want, especially if its a technical track with tight woods, steep drops, rocky creek beds, logs, etc, etc. You just cant take a break and always fighting the terrain, so it requires a different fitness. I can remember when Kiedrowski first tried offroad racing, he admitted upfront he had no clue it was that hard to run 3-hours WFO and it took him a while to adapt.
DzynOne wrote:
I agree, the scramble is difficult, but thats not what James wants to do. If it was, then he'd train and dominate that as well. Thats...
I agree, the scramble is difficult, but thats not what James wants to do. If it was, then he'd train and dominate that as well. Thats like basketball fans getting mad at Michael Jordan for not playing on the playground with street players (who are just as talented as pro players). Michael doesnt need to play street ball.

Plus, think of the business aspect of the Scramble versus Supercross. One makes WAY more money than the other. It's that simple.

It really bothers me that people want him to ride outdoors. He's been riding outdoors since he was a toddler! Give him a break. That goes for every rider who wants to do SX only. Let them ride where they want. If you like outdoor racing then you do it.

I'm just sayin.
people should read the whole freeking thread


not one single person has suggested that JS quitSX and run the GNCC's


it's that simple

I'm just sayin'
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Racer92 wrote:
"Gotta disagree w/ you on this. I'm pretty sure he'd finish just fine. " Not trying to discount your opinion or start anything but just hafta...
"Gotta disagree w/ you on this. I'm pretty sure he'd finish just fine. "
Not trying to discount your opinion or start anything but just hafta ask: have you raced scrambles in summer?
I have not...I'm fat AND slow. I can't ride for 15 minutes straight WFO at this point.

but, back to your statement:

You know that kinda goes both ways. I doubt James would be able to complete a humid/hot 3-hour harescramble that thousands of amatuers run on weekends.

You said "complete" a 3 hour harescramble that amateurs run. To say that James wouldn't complete such a race is naive. Would he win a pro race? Probably not unless he trained for it. Then...sure.
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Racer92 5/6/2009 2:12pm
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txmxer, oh okay, I understand you now - thanks for clarifying.
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huck wrote:
A "non-racer" wouldn't understand...
Big Lenny wrote:
You ever race an AMA SX main?...
have you? do the riders really want this? just making the main you cant make a living, and racing outdoors doesnt pay well either but at leat 40 guys get to race in the main event
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sharkey 5/6/2009 9:33pm
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Big Lenny wrote:
I just don't get why guys say SX is for pussies, that's all..I think it's extremely difficult...
nobody said it was for pussies, people just want to see the riders race both series period thats all
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the_wood109 5/6/2009 9:35pm
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What makes SX so difficult? It certainly is difficult, but why. I ask Lenny this question only.
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the_wood109 wrote:
What makes SX so difficult? It certainly is difficult, but why. I ask Lenny this question only.
GoldenState54 5/6/2009 10:05pm
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ChrisB wrote:
I dunno, as a fan and someone that has ridden once or twice, I find it much more exciting to watch JS, RC, RV, KW, DV...
I dunno, as a fan and someone that has ridden once or twice, I find it much more exciting to watch JS, RC, RV, KW, DV, etc, blow by me at Glen Helen at warp speed than watch those same guys jump triples all day... but that's JMO.

To each his own i guess
Me too!
knowitallnovice 5/6/2009 10:32pm
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If I was James I'd wanna spank Villopoto like RC spanked him.

Just to let everyone know, what's up.

There is a changing of the guard.
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Big Lenny 5/6/2009 10:43pm
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Big Lenny wrote:
I just don't get why guys say SX is for pussies, that's all..I think it's extremely difficult...
sharkey wrote:
nobody said it was for pussies, people just want to see the riders race both series period thats all
STFU , first off, you Twit, I never said I made a main, I was into this sport while you were still swimming in a ballsack...
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Big Lenny 5/6/2009 10:45pm
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the_wood109 wrote:
What makes SX so difficult? It certainly is difficult, but why. I ask Lenny this question only.
Prop your money down qualify and then figure it out...
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the_wood109 5/6/2009 10:47pm
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That was nice, Len.


Provide some real insight for a change.

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