Serious Question About Age Discrimination

GeorgiePorgie 3/6/2018 10:09am
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It’s just easier to stfu and bake them a cake today. Just like it’s easier to let wombat prove his points of amendment inequality.
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akillerwombat 3/6/2018 10:15am
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
It’s just easier to stfu and bake them a cake today. Just like it’s easier to let wombat prove his points of amendment inequality.
If you can prove to me that any other amendment is more important than the first I'll gladly admit you're right.

The best anyone has done in this thread is saying, "they're all important".
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akillerwombat 3/6/2018 10:18am
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Not sure if it's been posted yet, but the age thing could be on the way to at least one courtroom.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/man-sues-walmart-a…
This case is a bit of a gamble for this 20 year old. It is without a doubt winnable (as it is discrimination as defined by the current law) but a very possible outcome of this case is raising the age required to purchase a gun across the board to 21.

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newmann 3/6/2018 10:20am
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Have you ever looked at any wedding cakes? Some serious artistic abilities go into those things. I didn't follow the cake squabble too much but can't imagine someone not being willing to sell someone a cake. Designing a cake around a gay theme though? That would take me into the territory of Wal Mart being willing to sell me a lever action but not an AR15 or a hand gun. They made the decision to remove those guns years ago.

Someone comes to me with a wrecked car, I'll repair it. I don't care about your age, race, religion why should I? Someone comes to me wanting me to restore an old car? Sorry, can't help you. Not enough time, employees or shop space available when every wreck has a set number of days before an insurance company starts climbing up my ass.
GeorgiePorgie 3/6/2018 10:28am
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Newmann you’ll be hearing from my lawyer for refusing to restore my vehicle.
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newmann 3/6/2018 10:36am
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Newmann you’ll be hearing from my lawyer for refusing to restore my vehicle.
Bring him with you, I'll cook you both a steak. Perfect medium rare. Wink
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JAFO92 3/6/2018 10:47am
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newmann wrote:
Have you ever looked at any wedding cakes? Some serious artistic abilities go into those things. I didn't follow the cake squabble too much but can't...
Have you ever looked at any wedding cakes? Some serious artistic abilities go into those things. I didn't follow the cake squabble too much but can't imagine someone not being willing to sell someone a cake. Designing a cake around a gay theme though? That would take me into the territory of Wal Mart being willing to sell me a lever action but not an AR15 or a hand gun. They made the decision to remove those guns years ago.

Someone comes to me with a wrecked car, I'll repair it. I don't care about your age, race, religion why should I? Someone comes to me wanting me to restore an old car? Sorry, can't help you. Not enough time, employees or shop space available when every wreck has a set number of days before an insurance company starts climbing up my ass.
Alright dammit, you already said I could bring Fido over and have you put the new doors and fenders on then shoot some single stage over it !



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newmann 3/6/2018 11:39am
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Have you ever looked at any wedding cakes? Some serious artistic abilities go into those things. I didn't follow the cake squabble too much but can't...
Have you ever looked at any wedding cakes? Some serious artistic abilities go into those things. I didn't follow the cake squabble too much but can't imagine someone not being willing to sell someone a cake. Designing a cake around a gay theme though? That would take me into the territory of Wal Mart being willing to sell me a lever action but not an AR15 or a hand gun. They made the decision to remove those guns years ago.

Someone comes to me with a wrecked car, I'll repair it. I don't care about your age, race, religion why should I? Someone comes to me wanting me to restore an old car? Sorry, can't help you. Not enough time, employees or shop space available when every wreck has a set number of days before an insurance company starts climbing up my ass.
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Alright dammit, you already said I could bring Fido over and have you put the new doors and fenders on then shoot some single stage over...
Alright dammit, you already said I could bring Fido over and have you put the new doors and fenders on then shoot some single stage over it !



You'll be cooking me a steak...
m121c 3/6/2018 1:06pm
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
It’s just easier to stfu and bake them a cake today. Just like it’s easier to let wombat prove his points of amendment inequality.
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If you can prove to me that any other amendment is [u]more important than the first[/u] I'll gladly admit you're right. The best anyone has done...
If you can prove to me that any other amendment is more important than the first I'll gladly admit you're right.

The best anyone has done in this thread is saying, "they're all important".
Since you won’t reply to me and explain how they AREN’T, I’ll play.

Not only are they all important.. they are dependlently important on one another, as I said earlier.

Historically speaking, it’s difficult to provide an example because no country on this earth has legally guranteed rights the way we do in the United States... If you must though, a vague knowledge of events that resulted in Nazi germany would be a starting point to realizing why every right is equally important.

You can scream at the government until you are blue in the face... but when they have the guns and you have no power, your silly words will do nothing to stop a tyrannical force, and thats just one of many examples.

Fundamentally though, when you take on the position that one given amendment is more important then any another, you can effectively make a case that the least important can be done away with or changed (as you have already made a case with the 2nd amendment in a past thread). Effectively, what YOU determine to be “most important” might be someone elses “least important” at some point or another, and if the case has already been made that one can be done away with.. then it can be made again and again. As I said earlier.. shit falls apart.

This is why it’s a dangerous principle... it’s practically the introduction chapter to the playbook of a tyrannical state.

You can personally value your 1st amendment rights as the most important, however in the eyes of law and at the core ideas of freedom, they are all equal in importance.
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akillerwombat 3/6/2018 1:26pm
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Since you won’t reply to me and explain how they AREN’T, I’ll play. Not only are they all important.. they are dependlently important on one another...
Since you won’t reply to me and explain how they AREN’T, I’ll play.

Not only are they all important.. they are dependlently important on one another, as I said earlier.

Historically speaking, it’s difficult to provide an example because no country on this earth has legally guranteed rights the way we do in the United States... If you must though, a vague knowledge of events that resulted in Nazi germany would be a starting point to realizing why every right is equally important.

You can scream at the government until you are blue in the face... but when they have the guns and you have no power, your silly words will do nothing to stop a tyrannical force, and thats just one of many examples.

Fundamentally though, when you take on the position that one given amendment is more important then any another, you can effectively make a case that the least important can be done away with or changed (as you have already made a case with the 2nd amendment in a past thread). Effectively, what YOU determine to be “most important” might be someone elses “least important” at some point or another, and if the case has already been made that one can be done away with.. then it can be made again and again. As I said earlier.. shit falls apart.

This is why it’s a dangerous principle... it’s practically the introduction chapter to the playbook of a tyrannical state.

You can personally value your 1st amendment rights as the most important, however in the eyes of law and at the core ideas of freedom, they are all equal in importance.
What is more important, the body guard or the person (idea) they are guarding?
m121c 3/6/2018 2:10pm
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What is more important, the body guard or the person (idea) they are guarding?
Clever strawman... They are equally important. With out each other, both of their positions are at risk.

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akillerwombat 3/6/2018 2:14pm
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m121c wrote:
Clever strawman... They are equally important. With out each other, both of their positions are at risk.

With out each other, both of their positions are at risk.
Without the person needing to be guarded, there wouldn't be a guard position.

If you can't admit that the body guard is less important than the person they are guarding then we have no where to go.
m121c 3/6/2018 2:29pm
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[b]With out each other, both of their positions are at risk.[/b] Without the person needing to be guarded, there wouldn't be a guard position. If you...
With out each other, both of their positions are at risk.
Without the person needing to be guarded, there wouldn't be a guard position.

If you can't admit that the body guard is less important than the person they are guarding then we have no where to go.
It’s almost concerning that you continually find it acceptable to put one being or idea over another.

Yet its not surpising given the many fallscies of modern day liberalism.

..And you are right, there is no where to go here. However, you are wrong on the account that it’s because of me not giving you the answer you want, rather its due to you continually failing to materilize a logistical arguement.

Discussions can’t be made on vague statements and strawmans. Thats just an oberservation, not a personal attack, but you can define it how you want.
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akillerwombat 3/6/2018 2:37pm
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m121c wrote:
It’s almost concerning that you continually find it acceptable to put one being or idea over another. Yet its not surpising given the many fallscies of...
It’s almost concerning that you continually find it acceptable to put one being or idea over another.

Yet its not surpising given the many fallscies of modern day liberalism.

..And you are right, there is no where to go here. However, you are wrong on the account that it’s because of me not giving you the answer you want, rather its due to you continually failing to materilize a logistical arguement.

Discussions can’t be made on vague statements and strawmans. Thats just an oberservation, not a personal attack, but you can define it how you want.
The bill of rights, which is the basis of this entire conversation, is literally putting a group of ideas over all others.
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hard2kill 3/6/2018 5:43pm
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akillerwombat wrote:
[b]With out each other, both of their positions are at risk.[/b] Without the person needing to be guarded, there wouldn't be a guard position. If you...
With out each other, both of their positions are at risk.
Without the person needing to be guarded, there wouldn't be a guard position.

If you can't admit that the body guard is less important than the person they are guarding then we have no where to go.
m121c wrote:
It’s almost concerning that you continually find it acceptable to put one being or idea over another. Yet its not surpising given the many fallscies of...
It’s almost concerning that you continually find it acceptable to put one being or idea over another.

Yet its not surpising given the many fallscies of modern day liberalism.

..And you are right, there is no where to go here. However, you are wrong on the account that it’s because of me not giving you the answer you want, rather its due to you continually failing to materilize a logistical arguement.

Discussions can’t be made on vague statements and strawmans. Thats just an oberservation, not a personal attack, but you can define it how you want.
"It’s almost concerning that you continually find it acceptable to put one being or idea over another."

While I don't necessarily agree with wombat on all points, I don't think that is exactly what he is saying either.
Rather I believe he is simply suggesting (correct me if I am wrong) that it hinges on on a point of consideration, which really just points back to showing love and compassion for others. Hence the body guard showing love for the person who needs it. That too is the intent of the Bill of Rights, to hinge the law towards love and compassion for each others "rights".

Jesus Christ had this same discussion with Liberals and Conservatives of his day (Pharisees and Sadducees)

Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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I think it more akin to a symbiotic relationship.

The idea is important. The protection of the idea is equally important. One doesn’t exist without the other.
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TXDirt 3/6/2018 6:09pm
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I had a sorta similar discussion with a buddy of mine. You know the most important people in the world? Electricians. Without electricity your world as you know it today doesn’t exist. But no one really thinks about that.

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GeorgiePorgie 3/6/2018 7:13pm
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TXDirt wrote:
I had a sorta similar discussion with a buddy of mine. You know the most important people in the world? Electricians. Without electricity your world as...
I had a sorta similar discussion with a buddy of mine. You know the most important people in the world? Electricians. Without electricity your world as you know it today doesn’t exist. But no one really thinks about that.
Where would an electrician be without the wire?

Without plumbers you’re swimming in shit. Where would a plumber be without shit? Or fresh water I suppose as well...?
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Wombat - regarding someone challenging you vis-a-vis the supremacy of the 1st Amendment - I'll be your huckleberry. I think the 4th amendment is the most important, and by a long measure. My feeling is that property rights are the primary thing that makes the burden of the American experiment worth the trouble. Without the 4th, the 1st is just a hastily scribbled permission slip that allows hamstrung plebes to spew forth platitudes and grievances to their manner-born betters, and the 2nd is just an empty offer allowing a person to take a gun and guard the air; whereas the 4th allows a citizen that most extreme of freedoms: the right to shut the world out any time they want to, put their feet up, and enjoy the splendid view of their privately owed utopia. As someone that does that often, let me just say that the sound of silence is...without peer. Long live the 4th.

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