Minibikes and pitbikes now illegal

Wandell
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2/10/2009 2:38pm
My son has two rules when riding his KLX110.
1.....Always were your helmet and other safety gear
2.....Never chew on your motorcycle.
41NDT
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2/10/2009 3:35pm
Wandell wrote:
My son has two rules when riding his KLX110.
1.....Always were your helmet and other safety gear
2.....Never chew on your motorcycle.
Wandell
Love rule 2. I will install this rule into my newborn although i feel this should of been rule 1
This is the problem with the western world today and one of the resons we are slipping as global power makers. It should be like this- The minority (liberals, do gooders etc) will have a say but will not necessary have the say
Sledneck
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2/10/2009 3:44pm
We we needed a snack back in the day, we peeled the paint off CR 80 frames and ate it.

Jeez, we washed filters in leaded race fuel and everyones fine.
WTF? And we knew TEL could be absorbed right through the skin.
2/10/2009 4:07pm
Growing up we had Leaded gasoline hairspray that worked refrigerant that worked body filler that worked paint that worked and as a sheet metal worker lead is used all the time. And there's nothing wrong with me. And there's nothing wrong with me. Who said that!!

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Void Main
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2/10/2009 4:14pm
We had a mold to make our own lead sinkers. My dad gave me the job to make the sinkers when I was a kid out of a bucket full of lead tire weights. I remember when I didn't have the pliers handy I would bite the sinker to attach it to the line. I'm thinking that might not have been such a good idea?
SteveS
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2/10/2009 5:12pm
41NDT wrote:
Wandell Love rule 2. I will install this rule into my newborn although i feel this should of been rule 1 This is the problem with...
Wandell
Love rule 2. I will install this rule into my newborn although i feel this should of been rule 1
This is the problem with the western world today and one of the resons we are slipping as global power makers. It should be like this- The minority (liberals, do gooders etc) will have a say but will not necessary have the say
So have your say by going to www.tomself.com and filling out the quick and easy form to say your piece to Congress.
davis224
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2/10/2009 7:00pm
It was kind of sad seeing all the minis getting pushed off the showroom today, and we are also being told not to service them or sell parts.
CR250Rider
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2/10/2009 7:06pm
WTF?

welcome to bizarro-world
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LETTER SENT, THANKS STEVE
sharkey
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2/10/2009 7:30pm
davis224 wrote:
It was kind of sad seeing all the minis getting pushed off the showroom today, and we are also being told not to service them or...
It was kind of sad seeing all the minis getting pushed off the showroom today, and we are also being told not to service them or sell parts.
that sucks, couldnt this be exploited in about everything we do, this is just crazy
SteveS
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2/11/2009 7:23am
Yes, it could be exploited in just about everything we do, if it relates to kids.
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2/15/2009 9:24pm
It is not that they contain lead, the problem is the parts have not been tested and certified that they do not contain lead.

This was posted on our district site, the letter is from Greg Robinson, Owner of Unadilla...

"Good Afternoon...forget the good, as our country has descended into lunacy.

I have spent most of the day on two conference calls relative to the subject line above, and I must say I am rather concerned about the fate of our sport and industry. Not to mention our local communities for the further loss of jobs and $$ that our industry brings in each year. It is certainly that dire..believe me.

As of yesterday, all the OEMs had to pull for sale all new youth minicycles and atvs for those under the age of 13...this under order of the CPSC due to lead content of plastics and certain metals. As of yesterday, a dealer or private individual can no longer provide parts or service, to these affected machines, in which there is a possibility that those same parts may contain lead...no oil changes, plastic, levers, engine cases, etc, etc..goggles, helmets, clothing, knee braces..you name it. You may think that is just for new machines, but it is for everything new and used.

The CPSC also ruled that machines under 85cc are considered toxic to the health of young children.

Effective yesterday, Honda has pulled replacement parts from their service system for these machines pending lead certification...this takes 400 days. KTM, Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Yamaha are doing the same thing. If you have a 1,2,3 year old machine, you won't be able to buy most parts for it very soon.

Yamaha is sending out restrictions to its dealers saying that an 85cc bike can only be sold, and should only be operated by someone over the age of 13.

Now to the fun part for us as a race promoter.

*Because the manufacturers are now issuing these guidelines, we as promoters cannot allow a youth under the age of 13 to participate for two reasons.

*We are allowing someone to participate in a sanctioned activity on a vehicle that has been determined by the manufacturer and the CPSC to be unsafe for that age level.

*We are allowing someone to participate in a sanctioned activity on a vehicle that the CPSC has determined is a toxic substance.

If you think I am joking, consider the following

*MX Sports is considering removing youth classes from the Loretta Lynn's program, GNCC, and ATV Nationals...we run all three of these series and I can tell you that these classes make up over 1/3 of our entries and more than half of our attendance.

*The AMA will be forced to ban youths under 13 from any AMA amateur or pro competition due to legal ramifications. The same will apply to local districts and sanctioning bodies, as insurance will not be available to cover this exposure.

*The lifeblood of our sport are these kids..if they cannot participate, they will find something else to do, and we will not get them back. They will not race, watch, or buy products. That means Mom, Dad and older brothers/sisters won't be there either.

*Unadilla would most likely not participate in any form of amateur racing..with only half or less of the entries left, it wouldn't be financially possible.

DO I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION YET!

There are two efforts going on right now to get a temporary stay granted by the CPSC for "Off Road Vehicles." The MIC (Motorcycle Industry Council) and Missouri State House Rep Mike Sense(#4 in line in the MO st govt) are both developing grass roots letter campaigns through websites to develop a ground swell of support for this stay. Keep in mind this is only temporary, and unless a Federal injunction or legislation is developed, this isn't going away.

There are several opinions floating around on this subject saying that our thinking is flawed and that only the sale of new units is affected...if that is the case, why are helmet, goggle, sneakers, sunglasses, OEM parts and accessories, and dealer service being pulled for these units???

I will leave you with this..if indeed this is overblown, and we are right that we shouldn't be affected by this, it still doesn't mean that we can't/won't be sued by someone using this logic, and worse yet, convince a jury that the above is true. If it gets that far, you will have spent nearly a million $$ in your own defense, just to prove you were right all along.

IS IT WORTH THAT TO YOU?

I will get you info on the two websites, and I encourage you to beg everyone you know that rides, owns, promotes, or attends an off road sporting event to get everyone they know in the same manner to fill out one of these letters...Every Mom Dad and Kid should individually enter their name. Then they should contact their local representatives too.

Thanks for listening, and please do not think you can't make a difference..contact your local representatives as well..explain the economic impact this will have..educate yourself on this subject as quickly as you can."

Greg Robinson
VP Marketing
Unadillla Motorsports
(c) 315-725-9537 greg@unadillamx.com

Go immediatly to: http://www.tomself.com and send a letter to Congress to put a stop to this insanity.


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crewchief91
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2/15/2009 10:11pm
Hey guys, I'm new to your site but not to bikes and motocross. I found this info on the CPSC website (www.cpsc.gov) it was released on 2/12/09 and i wonder if the lawyers have seen this.

In addition, as part of the staff’s proposed approach, the CPSC staff looked to the definition of “toy” in the ASTM F963-07 toy safety standard for guidance.7 The CPSIA makes ASTM F963 a mandatory CPSC standard on February 10, 2009. ASTM F963 excludes certain types of articles from the definition of toy: • Bicycles • Tricycles • Sling shots and sharp-pointed darts • Playground equipment • Non-powder guns • Kites • Art materials, model kits, and hobby items in which the finished products is not primarily of play value8 • Sporting goods, camping goods, athletic equipment, musical instruments, and furniture, except for toy versions of these • Powered models of aircraft, rockets, boats, and land vehicles .

It seems to me that our kids bikes would come under the exemption of sporting goods.
After all motorcycle racing last time I heard was considered A SPORT.
I think they intended this for alot of toys coming from China that don't meet US standards.
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2/16/2009 4:40am
CPSC Approves Sale of Units for 12- to 15-year-olds

Publish date: Feb 15, 2009
Dealernews / Joe Delmont

Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) said Saturday it has heard the concerns of the motorcycle and ATV industries and riders and is responding by taking action to meet their needs. The agency has decided that machines designated for youths ages 12 to 15 - formerly the Y12 category - are not prohibited under new lead content regulations and can be sold, an agency representative confirms with Dealernews.

"It's time for everyone to be aware that those models for youths 12 to 15 are not deemed to be children's products under the law," said Scott Wolfson, a CPSC spokesman. "Those that are the old Y12 or any newer version of a model [for 12- to 15-year-olds] do not have to come off showroom floors and can be sold appropriately to young riders," he says.

The agency is charged with implementing the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) that was signed by President Bush last August. The law limits the amount of lead in paint and materials contained in products designed primarily for youth ages 12 and under.

Wolfson said dealers should "keep in touch with CPSC. We have heard the voices of those throughout the industry and those who are riders. We're working as hard as we can as an agency. We have a vast child safety law we are continuing to interpret and implement in the right way."

While Wolfson said he could not provide a date when the agency would be able to act upon petitions presented to it by the MIC/SVIA that would permit the sale of youth products, he urged dealers to view the situation calmly.

"We really want to calm down dealers," he says. "They should get (the youth models) off their showfloors and back into holding areas. It's only been a matter of days since we received the industry's petitions.

"We're dealing with more than ATVs - we're dealing with every single product for children under 12," Wolfson continues. "We need a little bit more time to process the petitions and make assessments. We want our decisions to be based upon sound legal judgments."

Wolfson said the agency is reviewing situations based upon child safety factors, the law as it's written, and priorities and resources within the agency.

"The industry needs to settle down," he says, "and give the agency the appropriate amount of time to review the petition and make sound decisions that will benefit everyone in the marketplace."

The new regulations went into effect Feb. 10. Any products for children that don't meet the requirements specified in the law cannot be sold. These items include ATVs, dirtbikes, apparel, and related parts and accessories, in addition to many other products for children.

ATVRE Editor's Note: Make your voice heard. Go to www.tomself.com to send a letter to congress to support the youth of our sport under the age of 12.
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2/16/2009 8:04am
kids that eat paint chips cant afford a motorcycle.

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