Should Webb ride a 250 like Noren?

I know you can't truly compare apples to apples on this argument because of track conditions, layouts, etc but it makes me think. Everyone is talking about how much worse Webb looks on the bulky Yamaha 450 and he doesn't look like himself.
That being said, looking back at A1 last year when Webb was on the 250 his fastest time in the main (yes track is better than the 450 main but maintenance is done between the two often) was a 1:01.392 while Dungey (who finished second in 450 main) had a fast lap of 1:02.333. Pretty much a full second quicker than Dungey was while on a 250 and yes I know track isn't the same but I really don't think the full 3 second difference (the difference is being a second faster to 2 seconds slower, as shown below) is going to be made up with track condition.
Then you fast forward to this year where Dungey finished second at A1 with a 1:03.111 fast lap time while Coops fastest was a 1:05.052, pretty much a full 2 seconds here. He can't touch Roczens 1:01.859 fastest so I'm not even going to bring that into the equation.
I could be an idiot but I feel sometimes numbers don't lie and any one who knows mx to an extent can tell Webb doesn't ride a 450 on a sx track near as good as he does the arguable best 250 in its class being the Yamaha. And obviously they aren't going to put a Yamaha factory 450 rider on a 250 because that obviously doesn't look good from a marketing and promotion view. But, Noren rides a 250 cuz he feels more comfortable on it, so would Webb's results improve if he was on a 250 as well? Just makes ya think is that Yamaha 450 that bad for him?
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1/18/2017 11:26am
Yeah he should but Yamaha would never let him
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1/18/2017 11:29am
What do you think it would do for his career in terms of proving he's a good 450 rider, if he jumped on a 250 and got instantly better? That would not be a good move at all
1/18/2017 11:31am
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1/18/2017 11:35am
Ha! Love this question!
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1/18/2017 11:37am
TripleFive wrote:
Tomorrow on VitalMX: Should Webb Ride a 2-Stoke Like Jesus?
Wait until after A2 and we might need to see Webb transition towards BMX.
1/18/2017 11:38am
TripleFive wrote:
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Plot Twist: Jesus brings weedmaps on board for sponsor ship, and the two opposing dichotomies of vital spontaneously explode. No one knows which direction to fling their own feces.
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1/18/2017 11:38am
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1/18/2017 11:56am
"Norén rides a 250 because he's more comfortable on it"

You couldn't be more wrong. Noren changed to the 450 long ago and his style suits the 450 much more but in Sweden we don't have supercross so he's using the easier handling 250 to truly learn the ways of the supercross.
The only reason he's racing on a 250 right now is to practice for his 250east effort later in the season and using the 450 class to get comfortable as he can't run the 250 class and still wants to get tracktime and racecraft dailed in.
This will be his second season ever I believe in supercross and he's improved tons since last year. He is a motocross specialist still and will probably always be but the lack of supercross experience is keeping him from getting any rides. He's been top 10 450 outdoors two years in a row and been getting top 5s when he got used to the factory Honda both years. He could be a top 5 threat every weekend if he could just get a solid ride from the start.

As for Webb, he had setup issues. That combined with the huge amount of pressure has gotten to him. He can't use Reedys setup so he has to figure one out himself. He'll get there eventually but this first year he needs to get on with the fact that it's a learning year and he won't be going on the podium any time soon and he'll come out strong next year
1/18/2017 12:02pm
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"Norén rides a 250 because he's more comfortable on it" You couldn't be more wrong. Noren changed to the 450 long ago and his style suits...
"Norén rides a 250 because he's more comfortable on it"

You couldn't be more wrong. Noren changed to the 450 long ago and his style suits the 450 much more but in Sweden we don't have supercross so he's using the easier handling 250 to truly learn the ways of the supercross.
The only reason he's racing on a 250 right now is to practice for his 250east effort later in the season and using the 450 class to get comfortable as he can't run the 250 class and still wants to get tracktime and racecraft dailed in.
This will be his second season ever I believe in supercross and he's improved tons since last year. He is a motocross specialist still and will probably always be but the lack of supercross experience is keeping him from getting any rides. He's been top 10 450 outdoors two years in a row and been getting top 5s when he got used to the factory Honda both years. He could be a top 5 threat every weekend if he could just get a solid ride from the start.

As for Webb, he had setup issues. That combined with the huge amount of pressure has gotten to him. He can't use Reedys setup so he has to figure one out himself. He'll get there eventually but this first year he needs to get on with the fact that it's a learning year and he won't be going on the podium any time soon and he'll come out strong next year
Didn't know that about his 250 situation. I totally understand that then and it makes total sense. I guess I'm just such a huge Webb fan and want him to do well and contend for a podium some nights. I know he can't ride a 250 and he never will in the 450. Sorry, I'll just go back to sneaking bourbon shots in my office and keep my mouth shut lmao
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1/18/2017 12:05pm
No.

He should keep working on his 450 set-up.
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1/18/2017 12:07pm
TripleFive wrote:
Tomorrow on VitalMX: Should Webb Ride a 2-Stoke Like Jesus?
a 2 Stoke? Hell yah, Jesus would be stoked.

Might even order some pizzas. Might take a nap. Doesn't really matter.
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1/18/2017 12:08pm
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Skidaddle wrote:
a 2 Stoke? Hell yah, Jesus would be stoked.

Might even order some pizzas. Might take a nap. Doesn't really matter.
Might wash my car.
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1/18/2017 12:11pm
TripleFive wrote:
Tomorrow on VitalMX: Should Webb Ride a 2-Stoke Like Jesus?
Skidaddle wrote:
a 2 Stoke? Hell yah, Jesus would be stoked.

Might even order some pizzas. Might take a nap. Doesn't really matter.
TeamGreen wrote:
Might wash my car.
LOL. While waiting for some contracts to get approved or denied also on a new warehouse.
1/18/2017 12:17pm
RG1 wrote:
What do you think it would do for his career in terms of proving he's a good 450 rider, if he jumped on a 250 and...
What do you think it would do for his career in terms of proving he's a good 450 rider, if he jumped on a 250 and got instantly better? That would not be a good move at all
Could be like the late 80's early 90's. He still may be quick on a 450 outdoors but maybe a 250 suits him indoors? It will never happen and we'll never know. It would be interesting to see though. There would be a shit storm if he got a podium on one.
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1/18/2017 12:24pm
Tomorrow on Vital: Is Webb washed up?


It's been TWO (2) races. ONLY 2 races and people are saying all kinds of idiotic things. Would he be faster on a 250 right now? Yes. He ridden it for the past 3-4 years and he is smaller, it fits him better right now.

He isn't going to just hop into this stacked ass 450 class and start kicking ass. He needs to build more strength along with many other things, some things that can't be duplicated at this practice track or gym.

Look at RV's results when he first went to the 450.

Give the kid some time.
1/18/2017 12:32pm
Hell will freeze over before Yamaha permits their premier 450 star to race a 250 in the 450 class.
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1/18/2017 12:40pm
Hell will freeze over before Yamaha permits their premier 450 star to race a 250 in the 450 class.
deffo.

Or Barcia learning to short shift
1/18/2017 1:00pm
No you silly sallies he is going to be alongside jeff emig and rc dressed like a kangaroo and eating a banana.This is gonna happen by oakland

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