Yamaha in trouble.

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flarider 9/28/2009 11:31am
9/28/2009 11:31am
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Yamaha is doing the right thing and all the other OEM's should follow suit. This will benefit more teams, riders and the sport as a whole...
Yamaha is doing the right thing and all the other OEM's should follow suit.
This will benefit more teams, riders and the sport as a whole.
Divvy up the funds spent on one factory team over three or four satellite teams and you create greater opportunity for more riders and more riders on more similar or like equipment.
It also spreads out the R&D capabilities as more riders are available for testing and even simultaneous testing under race conditions.
The salaries may be lower, because I think the million dollar salaries coming out of LL's days are coming to an end, but in the end, the racing will be better.

One would also hope it would end the biggest problem in the sport and what holds it back on TV, a lack of parity. It's always the same riders at the front and if more riders are on similar or equal equipment, more opportunities to win become available.

As for amateur, I wouldn't mind to see more support in it, but the time has come for some limitations and transparency on money sources/sponsors.
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You're right.
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flarider 9/28/2009 11:35am
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BTW, in thinking about this a bit more, what the OEM's should do in regards to these teams is engine lease programs where they build them what is *close* to a factory engine (I say close only because of longevity issues) and every rider in that program will have essentially the same engine, less any bolt on's from sponsors or in-house team development (pipes, mapping, etc...)

I believe MDK wanted to do this, but it didn't pan out, but maybe just the timing was wrong
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mxcrf34 9/28/2009 11:36am
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NASCAR succeeds for a number of reasons, but they too are struggling financially due to corporate cut backs. One of the biggest factors in NASCAR is...
NASCAR succeeds for a number of reasons, but they too are struggling financially due to corporate cut backs.


One of the biggest factors in NASCAR is parity...different drivers win every week...the outcomes aren't script-like predictable. That makes people interested. Keeps fan interest.


Corporations like it because of the merchandising. For every guy who buys a Dale Jr. Tshirt or hat is another guy advertising AMP Energy Drink or the National Guard.


There is nothing like that in MX/SX


Sponsors of a team gets little more than a logo on the bike and trailer. Can't sell T's or hats at races, can't even give away decals.


Sponsors look at what is called impressions and the price per impression. If a guy buys a tshirt and wears it, at least 100 people (minimum) will likely see that shirt on each outing. Sell a few thousand of those t's, and your impression numbers sky rocket....few thousand t's sold per race (30+ races), and each shirt gets a minimum of 100 impressions (really more like a thousand+) every time it's worn....that is easily millions of people seeing that logo on the shirts alone.


NASCAR racing sponsors may spend 100X more, but their value received, or cost per impression numbers, far exceeds any sponsorship in MX/SX by 1000x.

NASCAR is actually a better value, and not just because of TV
Stewart and Reed are the only two riders right now that are marketable. Like flarider said, there are more bigger names in NASCAR because there are more winners. Sure the nationals saw a bunch of new winners, but how many times are they going to keep winning with Stewart and Reed racing. If we want more outside sponsors, we need more consistent winners, other than #22 and #7
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flarider 9/28/2009 11:59am
9/28/2009 11:59am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:24am
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Stewart and Reed are the only two riders right now that are marketable. Like flarider said, there are more bigger names in NASCAR because there are...
Stewart and Reed are the only two riders right now that are marketable. Like flarider said, there are more bigger names in NASCAR because there are more winners. Sure the nationals saw a bunch of new winners, but how many times are they going to keep winning with Stewart and Reed racing. If we want more outside sponsors, we need more consistent winners, other than #22 and #7
Wrong.

Pro Circuit is marketable
RV is marketable
JLaw is Marketable (Racing or not)
Dungey is marketable
Canard is, Pourcel is...and the list can go on
H&H, BBMX and others as a team are as well

Some will sell more than others, but you'd be surprised at how many people would buy a JT$ T-shirt or a H&H Matt Boni T-Shirt

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mosslander 9/28/2009 12:42pm
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Development spred out and it will ends up that you make the bike by your self at home.
Have a go to Yamaha toolshop they maybe have a hammer or two
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mxcrf34 9/28/2009 1:17pm
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Stewart and Reed are the only two riders right now that are marketable. Like flarider said, there are more bigger names in NASCAR because there are...
Stewart and Reed are the only two riders right now that are marketable. Like flarider said, there are more bigger names in NASCAR because there are more winners. Sure the nationals saw a bunch of new winners, but how many times are they going to keep winning with Stewart and Reed racing. If we want more outside sponsors, we need more consistent winners, other than #22 and #7
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Wrong. Pro Circuit is marketable RV is marketable JLaw is Marketable (Racing or not) Dungey is marketable Canard is, Pourcel is...and the list can go on...
Wrong.

Pro Circuit is marketable
RV is marketable
JLaw is Marketable (Racing or not)
Dungey is marketable
Canard is, Pourcel is...and the list can go on
H&H, BBMX and others as a team are as well

Some will sell more than others, but you'd be surprised at how many people would buy a JT$ T-shirt or a H&H Matt Boni T-Shirt
anyone outside of the sport is not going to know what pro circuit is. I have a shirt from them and every time I wear it, people ask me "Whats pro circuit?" RV, Dungey Canard and Barcia (soon to be) are marketable, RV the soonest, after #7 and #22. I'm not saying that they aren't right now, but people not familiar with the sport would be less likely to buy an RV or RD shirt than a reed or stewart shirt. Maybe "only" was too strong of a word.

Good call with the H&H and BBMX. I haven't heard much from them over the summer (out of sight out of mind?). I think the sport needs more of the satellite teams like you said. Especially when someone like Carey Hart, who gets tons of exposure from being with Pink, helps a ton.
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flarider 9/28/2009 1:22pm
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RV has Monster
JLaw was Monster, AM/PM and a few others....and Chico's Bail Bonds
Dungey is Makita
Canard has Geico
Pourcel is also Monster
BBMX is DNA Energy Drink
H&H is, well, H&H
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mxcrf34 9/28/2009 1:31pm
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Chico's Bail Bonds...classic lol

Maybe market motocross in general , then the riders. I don't know.

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