Dow up 600

10/13/2008 3:50pm
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OK, so we got doom and gloom posts all day last week. Now that the Dow is roaring back, where are all the threads about how...
OK, so we got doom and gloom posts all day last week. Now that the Dow is roaring back, where are all the threads about how great Bush is or something like that (as if presidents or bailout plans actually have anything to do with the Dow)?
Holy Shit! I don't sit around waiting for you to post so I can reply to it AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Jesus frikkin' Christ child. Hasn't your mommy taught you patients yet??? Oh yeah, patients is a second grade subject.
10/13/2008 3:52pm
Pffft...get out of the deep end, child, or I'm going to be forced to hold your proverbial head under the water till you stop moving. The...
Pffft...get out of the deep end, child, or I'm going to be forced to hold your proverbial head under the water till you stop moving.

The buck stops with the president. The department of the treasury is directly under his control. The treasury developed the meat of the bailout plan. The bailout plan is responsible for the rise in the stock market.

Bush didn't create at environment where this was acceptable. Wall Street bankers did.

Anyway, personally, I don't blame Bush for the rise or the fall. I dont' give him that much credit (or any president). But you should at least be consistent.

I didn't once say "winning"...I said "successes" (look it up).

And there have been successes? The surge...worked. Hussien? Not in power (and I'm not talking about Obama)....Have we "won" the war? No. But in the midst of it there have been small successes.

I am 100% better off today than I was before Bush took office (the past 5 years have been the very most productive of my professional career). The economy is about the same actually (the dow is a bit higher...I think it was in the 7000 range in early 2000, but my memory could be wrong), Bush inherited the economy left over from the dot-com crash...so it wasn't all that good when he got it.

Like I said...you either need a life jacket, or to get out of the deep end so the adults can swim.
Jabjr222 wrote:
nice... forget it. You are as fake as they come. I won't even bother wasting my energy playing your game... You are just a jackass who...
nice... forget it. You are as fake as they come. I won't even bother wasting my energy playing your game... You are just a jackass who needs something better to do. Did school get out early today? Your parents aren't home yet so you can get online?
Jabjr222 has now been officially done in...what a chicken shit...I didn't even break a sweat...hell, I didn't even have to use two hands.

That was too easy.
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10/13/2008 3:56pm
Jabjr222 has now been officially done in...what a chicken shit...I didn't even break a sweat...hell, I didn't even have to use two hands. That was too...
Jabjr222 has now been officially done in...what a chicken shit...I didn't even break a sweat...hell, I didn't even have to use two hands.

That was too easy.
nope, not done in, not pwned, nothing... just figured you were some stupid jackass that wasn't worth it. I read your other posts and they are as weak as anything I have ever read on here (and that is really saying something). I LOVE ripping people up on this board that deserve it. I thought you were worthy but when you can't even accurately explain to me what I wrote to you, then you don't get to play.

Come at me with something real and substantiative and we can start this again. But if all you are going to do is give some half-ass talking points in response to everything, then it's really a bore for me.
10/13/2008 3:59pm
Jabjr222 has now been officially done in...what a chicken shit...I didn't even break a sweat...hell, I didn't even have to use two hands. That was too...
Jabjr222 has now been officially done in...what a chicken shit...I didn't even break a sweat...hell, I didn't even have to use two hands.

That was too easy.
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nope, not done in, not pwned, nothing... just figured you were some stupid jackass that wasn't worth it. I read your other posts and they are...
nope, not done in, not pwned, nothing... just figured you were some stupid jackass that wasn't worth it. I read your other posts and they are as weak as anything I have ever read on here (and that is really saying something). I LOVE ripping people up on this board that deserve it. I thought you were worthy but when you can't even accurately explain to me what I wrote to you, then you don't get to play.

Come at me with something real and substantiative and we can start this again. But if all you are going to do is give some half-ass talking points in response to everything, then it's really a bore for me.
And the guy that said he was done with me...must have decided he wasn't done, and had to post again.

I wonder why that is???

Oh yeah, because he's my little puppet....I tug a string over here, and he does exactly what I want him too.

Tap out now, dude...really, don't make me break your arm....just tap out and I'll let you go.

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10/13/2008 4:07pm
And the guy that said he was done with me...must have decided he wasn't done, and had to post again. I wonder why that is??? Oh...
And the guy that said he was done with me...must have decided he wasn't done, and had to post again.

I wonder why that is???

Oh yeah, because he's my little puppet....I tug a string over here, and he does exactly what I want him too.

Tap out now, dude...really, don't make me break your arm....just tap out and I'll let you go.
It's ok sweetie... if you are for real, feel free to play again. You need to start with easier fishes on here before you should even think about playing on my level. Just keep thinking you beat me. Doesn't bother me a bit.

And if you are interested in "tugging", I think there are posts on craigslist for people like you...
10/13/2008 4:13pm
And the guy that said he was done with me...must have decided he wasn't done, and had to post again. I wonder why that is??? Oh...
And the guy that said he was done with me...must have decided he wasn't done, and had to post again.

I wonder why that is???

Oh yeah, because he's my little puppet....I tug a string over here, and he does exactly what I want him too.

Tap out now, dude...really, don't make me break your arm....just tap out and I'll let you go.
Jabjr222 wrote:
It's ok sweetie... if you are for real, feel free to play again. You need to start with easier fishes on here before you should even...
It's ok sweetie... if you are for real, feel free to play again. You need to start with easier fishes on here before you should even think about playing on my level. Just keep thinking you beat me. Doesn't bother me a bit.

And if you are interested in "tugging", I think there are posts on craigslist for people like you...
Har!

It's hard to claim victory when you're the one walking away (and making sorry ass excuses at that).

Let me give you some advice (i'm not in the education business...but for a dumb ass like you, I'll make an exception, but only because I feel bad for you)....When you say you "aren't going to waste your time with me" as soon as you reply to me again...you lose. It's pretty simple.

Don't say shit you don't mean, and you'll be that much better off.

10/13/2008 4:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:49pm
Did you just call me "sweetie"?

You do know I'm a man right? Do you make a habit of calling men sweetie?

Um....that's a little bit...um...pssst...gay...(not that there is anything wrong with that)...

Anyway, I'll be back tomorrow...I'm going riding.
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Did you just call me "sweetie"? You do know I'm a man right? Do you make a habit of calling men sweetie? Um....that's a little bit...um...pssst...gay...(not...
Did you just call me "sweetie"?

You do know I'm a man right? Do you make a habit of calling men sweetie?

Um....that's a little bit...um...pssst...gay...(not that there is anything wrong with that)...

Anyway, I'll be back tomorrow...I'm going riding.
Sorry if you didn't get it but I was trying to talk to you like any other child... It's ok. It all comes down to the fact that you couldn't even understand my post that lead us to this point. That's ok. I didn't think you would get it. Your brain must hurt.

Oh yeah, and the "gay" comments, come on. I expected more from you. Now shut the fuck up.
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10/13/2008 4:37pm
You guys are a buzz kill.
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10/13/2008 4:44pm
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You gotta love GREED
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Greed and Fear apparently. Im sitting here watching Fast Money and they were just saying that todays buying was actually "fear buying" Fear of missing the...
Greed and Fear apparently. Im sitting here watching Fast Money and they were just saying that todays buying was actually "fear buying" Fear of missing the bottom Id guess. It might go a few more days like this but Id expect it to drop even lower when the earnings start being reported.
Earnings will already be priced in to most stocks, I think the worst is over for now.

Time to party.
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10/13/2008 4:49pm
Jabr...Y4L hasn't been on Vital much (or at all?) but he comes from the motodrive days.

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10/13/2008 4:49pm
Holy Shit! I don't sit around waiting for you to post so I can reply to it AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Jesus frikkin' Christ child. Hasn't...
Holy Shit! I don't sit around waiting for you to post so I can reply to it AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Jesus frikkin' Christ child. Hasn't your mommy taught you patients yet??? Oh yeah, patients is a second grade subject.
Patients are those under a doctor's care.

Patience is a second grade spelling quiz.

Tomorrow's lesson will be irony.
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10/13/2008 4:52pm
BDOG wrote:
Earnings will already be priced in to most stocks, I think the worst is over for now.

Time to party.
I wouldn't hold anything over night.

If you can't get out by the close, don't get in. The ride's not over yet.
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10/13/2008 4:56pm
BDOG wrote:
Earnings will already be priced in to most stocks, I think the worst is over for now.

Time to party.
Rooster wrote:
I wouldn't hold anything over night.

If you can't get out by the close, don't get in. The ride's not over yet.
I agree. Things will continue to be very volatile and very well may test 8000 but I think that just may be bottom.(I think Smile )

This is the perfect environment to make BIG money if you can keep from being to greedy because the reverse holds true also.
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10/13/2008 5:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:49pm
dougie wrote:
What does it mean when they say its up or down but on low or high volume? For instance today its up, way up, but on...
What does it mean when they say its up or down but on low or high volume? For instance today its up, way up, but on low volume. And for some reason thats not a good thing I take it. ?

Also they were saying today that the bond markets were not open and the Canadians were having a holiday and the Japanese banks were closed. How does that affect today? If the answer is too long just ignore my question.

And as long as Im asking questions: If our markets problems are mostly related to the subprime lending that went on.....then why are most of the Worlds markets crashing at the same time?
A rally like this on thin volume usually means it wont last. Here's what I look for in picking a bottom and subsequent sustained rally:

The S&P 500 closed at about 900 on Friday. If that's the bottom, we will get nice little rally within a short time (Today), but we will revisit that 900 area but on lower volume. This cycle could happen 2 or 3 times but with lower volume each time. I will usually buy on the 2nd or 3rd visit.
All this depends on market fundamentals though. Right now there aren't any. PE ratios are useless right now until we see what the earnings and forecast look like.
Go on Yahoo finance and pull up the interactive chart for the S&P. by using the date bar at the bottom you can zoom in on previous corrections and you will see what I'm talking about.
I do not call this recent crash a correction, I aint buyin til I see the pattern I'm looking for though.
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10/13/2008 5:12pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:49pm
Futures up for tomorrow already.

Ivan,

Why not ride the wave?



We get a few more days and confidence comes back and confidence is what fuels this thing.

That being said I believe there is more bad news on the way.
10/13/2008 5:15pm
Holy Shit! I don't sit around waiting for you to post so I can reply to it AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Jesus frikkin' Christ child. Hasn't...
Holy Shit! I don't sit around waiting for you to post so I can reply to it AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Jesus frikkin' Christ child. Hasn't your mommy taught you patients yet??? Oh yeah, patients is a second grade subject.
Rooster wrote:
Patients are those under a doctor's care.

Patience is a second grade spelling quiz.

Tomorrow's lesson will be irony.
That's funny.
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10/13/2008 5:59pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:49pm
BDOG wrote:
Futures up for tomorrow already. Ivan, Why not ride the wave? We get a few more days and confidence comes back and confidence is what fuels...
Futures up for tomorrow already.

Ivan,

Why not ride the wave?



We get a few more days and confidence comes back and confidence is what fuels this thing.

That being said I believe there is more bad news on the way.
I was going to today but I couldn't stay near a computer. At this point, I'm not holding this shit overnight. I may short the S&P late if it rallies again tomorrow. Check out SDS. It's a radical ultra short for the S&P. It really moves.
I forgot that dougie is on a dial up so using the interactive charts just won't work. But check out the last big plunge on the S&P in 2000. A lot of people thought it found the bottom in Oct of 01'. They got hurt. When it did find the bottom, it cycled at least 3 times before it climbed out. That's what I'm looking for.
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I kicked myself in the ass today for not buying Apple and Monsanto on Friday, which my gut told me to do. I got a feeling Apple could ride to 125 before it deflates again.

That stock is all about emotion, I love that fucker.

I will check out SDS, I have never played with the indexes like you do but I like the theory.



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10/13/2008 6:18pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:49pm
BDOG wrote:
Futures up for tomorrow already. Ivan, Why not ride the wave? We get a few more days and confidence comes back and confidence is what fuels...
Futures up for tomorrow already.

Ivan,

Why not ride the wave?



We get a few more days and confidence comes back and confidence is what fuels this thing.

That being said I believe there is more bad news on the way.
Ivan wrote:
I was going to today but I couldn't stay near a computer. At this point, I'm not holding this shit overnight. I may short the S&P...
I was going to today but I couldn't stay near a computer. At this point, I'm not holding this shit overnight. I may short the S&P late if it rallies again tomorrow. Check out SDS. It's a radical ultra short for the S&P. It really moves.
I forgot that dougie is on a dial up so using the interactive charts just won't work. But check out the last big plunge on the S&P in 2000. A lot of people thought it found the bottom in Oct of 01'. They got hurt. When it did find the bottom, it cycled at least 3 times before it climbed out. That's what I'm looking for.
So SDS moves inversely to the S&P. 2 TO 1 right?



SSO does the opposite?
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10/13/2008 6:51pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:49pm
dougie wrote:
What does it mean when they say its up or down but on low or high volume? For instance today its up, way up, but on...
What does it mean when they say its up or down but on low or high volume? For instance today its up, way up, but on low volume. And for some reason thats not a good thing I take it. ?

Also they were saying today that the bond markets were not open and the Canadians were having a holiday and the Japanese banks were closed. How does that affect today? If the answer is too long just ignore my question.

And as long as Im asking questions: If our markets problems are mostly related to the subprime lending that went on.....then why are most of the Worlds markets crashing at the same time?
hey dougie, good question, i can't answer all of it but i can say that:

the subprime issue caused a credit crisis and that the rest of the world invested heavily in our housing boom. heck i guess they are greedy just like we are Smile

anyway..........

wall street stopped buying that paper overnight, sometime last year which is why so many mortgage brokers have gone under(we don't hear so much about that anymore d we???). at the global crux is that many of those mortgages were being sold on the world market so now those folks are stuck with bad paper.

ok you with me? basically this is pinching the banks cause someone ultimatley has to be responsible for the paper.

another scenario we have here, and all over the world for that matter is that companies work on credit, that is nothing new. an example shows how dangerous this can be is, company ABC needs x amount of credit at certain points in the year to meet payroll.

what the hell happens when credit runs dry? it's not that the bank doesn't want to lend to that company, they'd love to(they've proftitted from it in the past and they need that now), the fundamental issue is that the money cannot be lent right now(if they even have it). the bank has to hold on to it to ensure their own future (to the best of their ability)!!!

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Half way through the 1929 crash there were similar rally's to this one....dead cat bounce.

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