This nails it perfectly.

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3/23/2008 10:57am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="jtomasik":19likzhn][quote="KAWboy14":19likzhn][quote:19likzhn]It is a theory based upon physical observations[/quote:19likzhn]

belief in a creator is based upon the same physical observations....the belief in evolution sprang up as the only viable belief because of those who do not want accept what they see and dont want the responsibilty that goes along with having a creator....no creator! well it has to be this, there is nothing else!

life exists and it takes 2 people to make a baby......no way that process evolved![/quote:19likzhn]


Actually, belief in the gods was based upon simple observation that resulted in flawed conclusion supported with no critical analysis. Belief in science is based upon observation and verification of the theories arrived at through repeated testing. Two entirely different animals. Your last statement is perfect proof of this. Your statement about evolution is nonsense.[/quote:19likzhn]

god has no beginning and no end just like the universe....now show how science has proved that there is a beginning and an end to the universe
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3/23/2008 10:58am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="flarider":1idl4rje][quote="KAWboy14":1idl4rje]so you dont believe it takes 2 people to make a baby?

now give a working way/proof/observation and verification of the theories that science has proved that that could have happened through evolution

i will help you out.....there is none![/quote:1idl4rje]
So, God taught us to fuck?[/quote:1idl4rje]

i doubt he called it that but im sure by way of drawings he taught adam and eve the proper moves
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3/23/2008 10:58am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
that was a joke dave......they didnt even have paper back then <img class= " title="Smile">
3/23/2008 11:03am
Are you counting time Kawboy?

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3/23/2008 3:15pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="kdx man":3uv9dw86][quote="500guy":3uv9dw86]I don't think a man can live a full life based on things he knows or thinks are the facts.

Anyone who has Faith or Hope in some way admits the presence of a supreme being.[/quote:3uv9dw86]

Thats a pretty easy thing to say for a person who believes in a supreme being. I wish it were so easy.

I've tried multiple times to get some sort of spiritual anything in my life. Just doesnt seem to work. It never did.

The worst part for me is when a close friend or family member dies. I just cant accept the presence of any afterlife whatsoever. Most people console themselves with the thought that everybody will be back together at some point or another. That doesnt work for me. When this happens, it usually destroys me for a good couple months - nothing I can think of fixes that for me. With a close family member of mine in the hospital for the past 2 months, and no cure for anything in sight - this looks to be quite a dismal spring for me.[/quote:3uv9dw86]

sorry to hear about your situation, I'll keep a good thought for you

Call it blind faith. but I feel there has to be something other than this earth. I also struggle when it comes to sustaining anything spiritual, but I keep trying and in the meantime try to treat people the way I'd want to be treated
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3/23/2008 3:21pm Edited Date/Time 3/23/2008 3:49pm
Jtom and Kawboy- you two are so busy spouting your nonsense to see that KDX just said he has a close family member that is in the hospital for two months now with no cure in sight

Way to go- you're both The Smartest, Most Philosopical Guy on the Internet. That's right, both of you.
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3/23/2008 3:40pm
Sorry for your loved ones condition KDX. When death comes too soon for a loved one I don't know that it is any easier for us Christians if we are honest about things.
Faith does not really answer a lot of questions for me. It probably creates just as many as it may answer but i guess it gives me a reason to keep on keeping on with the hope that someday I will understand more.
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3/23/2008 3:48pm
KDX man , I'm sorry to hear about your family member,
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3/23/2008 4:44pm
Hey guys - thanks for the sympathy and kind words, but I wasnt really getting at that. Just sharing some slight parts of reasons as to why I feel I do about spirituality (or lack thereof?).
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3/23/2008 5:17pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="jtomasik":2cmlcn18]Dependable and consistent? That sure doesn't describe the gods of men, including this creation god you speak of (which is just another god of man). Well, that is unless we say that god simply abides by the laws of science. :D[/quote:2cmlcn18] Hi Jtom.

The problem with Christianity is not that it has been tried and found wanting; your problem is that it has been found difficult and left untried.

Reflections,
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3/23/2008 5:19pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="kdx man":1hvec3u6]Hey guys - thanks for the sympathy and kind words, but I wasnt really getting at that. Just sharing some slight parts of reasons as to why I feel I do about spirituality (or lack thereof?).[/quote:1hvec3u6] Hi KD. I understand what you are saying, and I want you to know that I care about what you feel. There is hope.


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3/23/2008 7:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="BUTCH":2bxmp2br]Are you counting time Kawboy?[/quote:2bxmp2br]

no i am not counting the 3.5 minutes i spend in here spewing....but i cant shut up about something i think i know, no more than anyone else can shut up about what they think they know!
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3/23/2008 7:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="Larry":1su953mv]Sorry for your loved ones condition KDX. When death comes too soon for a loved one I don't know that it is any easier for us Christians if we are honest about things.
Faith does not really answer a lot of questions for me. It probably creates just as many as it may answer but i guess it gives me a reason to keep on keeping on with the hope that someday I will understand more.[/quote:1su953mv]

evolution has no anwsers....the bible has answers to any questions you....religions just dont open the bible to give you the answers
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3/23/2008 7:34pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="KAWboy14":3vlczegd][quote="Larry":3vlczegd]Sorry for your loved ones condition KDX. When death comes too soon for a loved one I don't know that it is any easier for us Christians if we are honest about things.
Faith does not really answer a lot of questions for me. It probably creates just as many as it may answer but i guess it gives me a reason to keep on keeping on with the hope that someday I will understand more.[/quote:3vlczegd]

evolution has no anwsers....the bible has answers to any questions you....religions just dont open the bible to give you the answers[/quote:3vlczegd]

Yep its important to find your own answers from the Bible. Not what someone else tells you the answers are.
3/23/2008 7:49pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="Larry":vcnvsnbd][quote="KAWboy14":vcnvsnbd][quote="Larry":vcnvsnbd]Sorry for your loved ones condition KDX. When death comes too soon for a loved one I don't know that it is any easier for us Christians if we are honest about things.
Faith does not really answer a lot of questions for me. It probably creates just as many as it may answer but i guess it gives me a reason to keep on keeping on with the hope that someday I will understand more.[/quote:vcnvsnbd]

evolution has no anwsers....the bible has answers to any questions you....religions just dont open the bible to give you the answers[/quote:vcnvsnbd]

Yep its important to find your own answers from the Bible. Not what someone else tells you the answers are.[/quote:vcnvsnbd]That's not what the bible teaches!
3/24/2008 4:42am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="`ol Ger":2ewd3nq9] Hi Jtom.

The problem with Christianity is not that it has been tried and found wanting; your problem is that it has been found difficult and left untried.

Reflections,[/quote:2ewd3nq9]


Not accurate. I've tried it, and the only thing I find difficult to understand is the irrationality of the Christian.

You never answered my PM, Ger. You know where it was going, don't you? Just pointing out more of religious irrationality.
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3/24/2008 2:14pm
[quote:ve9jgq7g]BUTCH That's not what the bible teaches![/quote:ve9jgq7g]

your partially correct butch!

(acts 17:11) Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·ni′ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.
3/24/2008 5:05pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:27pm
[quote="KAWboy14":347u1wph][quote:347u1wph]BUTCH That's not what the bible teaches![/quote:347u1wph]

your partially correct butch!

(acts 17:11) Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·ni′ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.[/quote:347u1wph]All I'm saying is you are not to rely just on yourself to come to an understanding of the bible. ACTS 8:26-40
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3/25/2008 7:05am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:27pm
[quote="jtomasik":19x2xnh0][quote="`ol Ger":19x2xnh0] Hi Jtom.

The problem with Christianity is not that it has been tried and found wanting; your problem is that it has been found difficult and left untried.

Reflections,[/quote:19x2xnh0]


Not accurate. I've tried it, and the only thing I find difficult to understand is the irrationality of the Christian.

You never answered my PM, Ger. You know where it was going, don't you? Just pointing out more of religious irrationality.[/quote:19x2xnh0] Hi JTom. I answered it and sent it out in good faith.

Later I discovered that my inbox, outbox etc were all full. Olger gets a lot of mail, questions & whatnot.

gcwagoner@earthlink.net


regards
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3/25/2008 4:52pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:27pm
[quote="BUTCH":f1l3x8zm][quote="KAWboy14":f1l3x8zm][quote:f1l3x8zm]BUTCH That's not what the bible teaches![/quote:f1l3x8zm]

your partially correct butch!

(acts 17:11) Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·ni′ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.[/quote:f1l3x8zm]All I'm saying is you are not to rely just on yourself to come to an understanding of the bible. ACTS 8:26-40[/quote:f1l3x8zm]

i agree anyone who opens the bible on their own is lost

romans 10:14 However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?
3/25/2008 5:05pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:27pm
[quote="KAWboy14":1h9dksrn]
i agree anyone who opens the bible on their own is lost
[/quote:1h9dksrn]

Especially if they believe what they read. <img class= " title="Wink">

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