The AMA is at it again, 130+ B Riders bumped to A

[quote="SIMX":3osv1ndj]Dave, I believe the "rules" state, once you run A, you're officially an A rider.

Good point. It's going to get interesting,isn't it![/quote:3osv1ndj]
Exactly!
So, now you'll have people claiming they never should've been forcibly advanced that day and some guy with a higher RPV will not be advanced

It's hard enough to do this advancement thing.

all this does is make it a royal pain in the ass.


when you don't follow the rule book you lose. that simple.

Kinda funny for these B riders now, if they didn't follow the rules and move up to A, they win....

For those riders in D23 that moved up late last year or sent in for an A class district card, they will have the option of going back to B class prior to our season starting. If they ride the first district race as an A rider, they will stay an A rider.

This was a real opportunity for the AMA to step up and answer all these people that have been asking what value they bring to the table. Instead, they have once again folded under some outside influences.

[quote:olgflsic]This is where I picked up on a rider that I know of that just got back winning the "C" class, even though he's on the C-B national list.

So... I know he is racing this weekend also at the qualifier here. Will he be moved for this race? Will he be D'qd for Whitney?
[/quote:olgflsic]

No opinions?

Ryan Holliday's response as a whole was this; "we have 11,000 B riders this year and there are only a small handful that are capable of running in the A class". He also mentioned that more local kids ride AMA back east and the west coast kids never ride AMA events, so a kid back east will accumulate points faster than a kid on the west that rode a few nationals. With that being said, the mid pack kid back east could point out very easily and a hot shot from CA could ride a few nationals, get top 10 and still be eligible the following year due to the lack of AMA events he attends.

His moral to the story was; there are a handful of kids that should be bumped, indefinatly, but the verbiage in the current rules won't allow them to only bump a few. The verbiage reads ANY B rider with over 100 points needs to advance and his though on that is, if they do that 90% that get bumped aren't ready for the A class and it will hut the local turnouts. He said they're going to reword the verbiage this offseason to correct this loop hole.

Like I said before, I think you should get two years in C if you're a legit beginner, one year in B if you just moved up from 80's and then you need to mature in the A class'.

I think the AMA failed in this situation, but that's just my opinion. Either way, it doesn't effect me and/or my team just trying to see the big pic here.

[quote:2tuxxxbo]Dave, I believe the "rules" state, once you run A, you're officially an A rider.

Good point. It's going to get interesting,isn't it!
Exactly!
So, now you'll have people claiming they never should've been forcibly advanced that day and some guy with a higher RPV will not be advanced[/quote:2tuxxxbo]

Why can't they appeal to the AMA to drop back to B? Seems like a good argument they would have.

[quote:2jhs9wc9] The verbiage reads ANY B rider with over 100 points needs to advance and his though on that is, if they do that 90% that get bumped aren't ready for the A class and it will hut the local turnouts. He said they're going to reword the verbiage this offseason to correct this loop hole.[/quote:2jhs9wc9]

It's based on RPV. I don't see where there is anything to do with 100 points.

His reasoning doesn't make sense either, but that's another story.

[quote:1r4v0t82]Ryan Holliday's response as a whole was this; "we have 11,000 B riders this year and there are only a small handful that are capable of running in the A class". He also mentioned that more local kids ride AMA back east and the west coast kids never ride AMA events, so a kid back east will accumulate points faster than a kid on the west that rode a few nationals. With that being said, the mid pack kid back east could point out very easily and a hot shot from CA could ride a few nationals, get top 10 and still be eligible the following year due to the lack of AMA events he attends.

His moral to the story was; there are a handful of kids that should be bumped, indefinatly, but the verbiage in the current rules won't allow them to only bump a few. The verbiage reads ANY B rider with over 100 points needs to advance and his though on that is, if they do that 90% that get bumped aren't ready for the A class and it will hut the local turnouts. He said they're going to reword the verbiage this offseason to correct this loop hole.

Like I said before, I think you should get two years in C if you're a legit beginner, one year in B if you just moved up from 80's and then you need to mature in the A class'.

I think the AMA failed in this situation, but that's just my opinion. Either way, it doesn't effect me and/or my team just trying to see the big pic here.[/quote:1r4v0t82]


NONE of this above is "NEW". and the 100 points/ 90% is not a rule or any part of the RPV process. Riders have for years who lived in NON AMA areas have not been scrutinized anywhere as much as ones that do. Sorry thats the way it is, and no way did that or does that excuse not making a list and sticking to it. We don't advance 100's of riders because of a "few" that maybe shouldnt' be? I call that bullshit, and thats what appeal is for.

my opinion.

Wardy's opinion times 2.

I leave it this, saying B riders aren't ready for A just shows how little they know...there are only 3 guys on gate in A, what does it take to be ready for A.....turn 21, dad stops paying bills and now your slower than you have been last 5 years??? 30% of top B riders are faster than existing A, minus 10 guys!!! Rule says move up...move up....basing on what non-ama areas do means there will never be rule. If I was C guy and told to move and B doesn't have to, I would file protest and just recite Holiday statement just switch out B/A to C/B, and appeal it. Same logic I guess works for B. This opinion who and when someone is ready for A is stupid, it isn't about, age, points or districts...is it about speed.....

We run an independent race series and we advanced a few dozen riders out and if their cry starts with..."Next year at Lorettas....." I stop listening there....welcome to A class!!!!!

[quote="j100":26fpdxz7][quote="flarider":26fpdxz7]I've stayed out of this, but I do have one question.

If Little Jimmy signed up and raced last weekend in A because either
A) He was told to
His points said he should

Can he now move back to B after already racing in A class that one time?
Can he be protested for having competed in an A class?[/quote:26fpdxz7]NOPE! Tevin Tapia and Lowell Spanger are now screwed. Kyle Regal packed up and left when he was told he had to move up and now he's still eligable due to this nonsense.[/quote:26fpdxz7]

Not exactly true. Spangler had to move up because he was top 5 at LL's last year, not because of this rule.

I don't get why it's such a big deal. It will still basically be the same riders racing against each other if they all get moved up as they should according to their points, but they will be called A riders instead of B riders. They can still race for championships weather locally or national just under a new class name.

Sounds like it will still be empty A classes locally and even bigger B classes if they do advance the C riders and not the B riders.

motofab.. now that's the best way of putting it I've read yet! And you're right.. B class should be full up!

[quote="jbomx363":1yd0bikz]motofab.. now that's the best way of putting it I've read yet! And you're right.. B class should be full up![/quote:1yd0bikz]

x2, there is no excuse for this.

How much does the A.M.A get from the OEM's?

I have thought about this all day,

the problem is simple. The people at AMA have never had to deal with this kind of pressure. they have never had to tell a screaming dad or mom/ no your kid stays in A class and that is final. I think they never realized how hard it is to do and how many they have to deal with. Well they do now. I know for a fact that Mr holiday never realized going into this job that he had to make lists and then follow through with the process. In fact it has not COMPLETELY happened yet to this day. NOw the "big" players attached to the LL type races are bitching. The proper thing to do is to send out the list, enforce it, and then figure out the appeal process. Doing what they are today, I hope like hell they have a smooth season pertaining to any rules, because not advancing is not an option that will work.

Hell i would volunteer for that job (advancement guy) until they figure out how to do it, give those people who "don't think" they belong in A, I have a full two pages of answers for just about every excuse.

You see a rider not wanting to move, with the average in points, is just looking for and using an excuse, since his/her riding shows performance.

You see this little advancment list which is national, most of the complainers I will bet never have been in the process before, and thats exactly what the system is in place to fix.

Kawasaki was upset about them moving up the B team they had and no one gets moved up. My question still stands how much do the OEM's pay the A.M.A?

I hope that National list is correct for c-b riders. My understanding is that they've not added correctly from Nov.1 to Nov. 1 and included Dec. 2007 racing into a riders points and they could be mistakenly on the move up list.

Still..... It will be interesting when a true B guy protests a B guy that's above the RPV and possibly on the move up list that the rulebook clearly states is in the favor of the true B guy.

It can't be that hard to tell someone that they have to move up. Heck, they should be proud to be that fast.