Gunshow "Loophole"

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maicoman 2/5/2016 8:29pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
At least this video shows the truth about buying from a dealer. No full autos can be sold to anyone unless they have a class 3...
At least this video shows the truth about buying from a dealer. No full autos can be sold to anyone unless they have a class 3 license, no gun show loophole and shows the libs don't know anything. Like someone else said, the so called "loophole" is private sales between two citizens. Anytime you go through the dealer you must do a background check. Hell, in California you can't buy from a private party without going to a dealer, doing a background check and waiting the stupid 10 days before you can pick up your gun. Other states, and even counties in states have their own laws, when it comes to private party sales. But anytime you are buying from a dealer there is a background check no matter what!
the class 3 license part is urban legend.

add pawn shops to this.

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maicoman 2/5/2016 8:50pm
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the gun show loophole is this,

two private individuals that live in a non communist state , AZ comes to mind, can buy / sell a weapon in a private transaction without doing a background check, ie 4473, which includes the nics verification or valid CCW permit or need of an FFL dealer.

the only responsibility the seller has is;

1. verify person is of age for pistol or shotgun
2. verify person is a resident of same state.
3. no NFA items can be sold without a form 4 approval.

the loophole is because there are no verification's as to if the person buying the weapon is legally able to do so.

so the argument to close the loophole is a "bad guys" could purchase a weapon in this matter.

I'll let the statisticians educate us on how many " bad guys" buy weapons this way, I'm pretty sure they don't buy jack shit.



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maicoman wrote:
the gun show loophole is this, two private individuals that live in a non communist state , AZ comes to mind, can buy / sell a...
the gun show loophole is this,

two private individuals that live in a non communist state , AZ comes to mind, can buy / sell a weapon in a private transaction without doing a background check, ie 4473, which includes the nics verification or valid CCW permit or need of an FFL dealer.

the only responsibility the seller has is;

1. verify person is of age for pistol or shotgun
2. verify person is a resident of same state.
3. no NFA items can be sold without a form 4 approval.

the loophole is because there are no verification's as to if the person buying the weapon is legally able to do so.

so the argument to close the loophole is a "bad guys" could purchase a weapon in this matter.

I'll let the statisticians educate us on how many " bad guys" buy weapons this way, I'm pretty sure they don't buy jack shit.



So the "gun show loophole" is really the "private seller loophole"?
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maicoman 2/5/2016 9:08pm
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maicoman wrote:
the gun show loophole is this, two private individuals that live in a non communist state , AZ comes to mind, can buy / sell a...
the gun show loophole is this,

two private individuals that live in a non communist state , AZ comes to mind, can buy / sell a weapon in a private transaction without doing a background check, ie 4473, which includes the nics verification or valid CCW permit or need of an FFL dealer.

the only responsibility the seller has is;

1. verify person is of age for pistol or shotgun
2. verify person is a resident of same state.
3. no NFA items can be sold without a form 4 approval.

the loophole is because there are no verification's as to if the person buying the weapon is legally able to do so.

so the argument to close the loophole is a "bad guys" could purchase a weapon in this matter.

I'll let the statisticians educate us on how many " bad guys" buy weapons this way, I'm pretty sure they don't buy jack shit.



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So the "gun show loophole" is really the "private seller loophole"?
10-4

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and throw this out without double checking it because in the overall picture it doesn't mean shit, but I know it was a good fact for many years.

how many murders have been committed with any LEGAL full auto weapons since 1934 ( the first year they "outlawed full auto's )?

the answer use to be 0, all murders with full autos were done with illegal weapons. the anti-gun nuts are truly an amazing bunch.

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FastEddy 2/6/2016 3:00am
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maicoman wrote:
10-4 I'm gonna go out on a limb here and throw this out without double checking it because in the overall picture it doesn't mean shit...
10-4

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and throw this out without double checking it because in the overall picture it doesn't mean shit, but I know it was a good fact for many years.

how many murders have been committed with any LEGAL full auto weapons since 1934 ( the first year they "outlawed full auto's )?

the answer use to be 0, all murders with full autos were done with illegal weapons. the anti-gun nuts are truly an amazing bunch.
The same goes with suppressors and many AOWS & DD's from my understanding.

Realistically in regards to suppressors,sound reduction is a good thing on the ranges indoor or out,short arms or long arms.It's sorta silly that they are classified and thrown in there with other NFA stuff.
Personally I believe they shouldn't even be serial numbered let a lone fall under the NFA ...
They should be just another accessory.


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maicoman 2/6/2016 9:48am
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maicoman wrote:
10-4 I'm gonna go out on a limb here and throw this out without double checking it because in the overall picture it doesn't mean shit...
10-4

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and throw this out without double checking it because in the overall picture it doesn't mean shit, but I know it was a good fact for many years.

how many murders have been committed with any LEGAL full auto weapons since 1934 ( the first year they "outlawed full auto's )?

the answer use to be 0, all murders with full autos were done with illegal weapons. the anti-gun nuts are truly an amazing bunch.
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The same goes with suppressors and many AOWS & DD's from my understanding. Realistically in regards to suppressors,sound reduction is a good thing on the ranges...
The same goes with suppressors and many AOWS & DD's from my understanding.

Realistically in regards to suppressors,sound reduction is a good thing on the ranges indoor or out,short arms or long arms.It's sorta silly that they are classified and thrown in there with other NFA stuff.
Personally I believe they shouldn't even be serial numbered let a lone fall under the NFA ...
They should be just another accessory.


add hunting, it's really a no brainer and I totally agree with you, but it comes down to money, remember they get $200 per transfer.

back in '34, a Thompson sold for about $200 bucks and the stamp was $200, smart way to kill sales. now it's just a cash cow.
GeorgiePorgie 2/6/2016 12:42pm
2/6/2016 12:42pm
ALSO...most suppressors aren't like the movies. The gun still goes BANG. It doesn't go "chirp-chirp" like James Bond. There are some suppressors that quiet it so much all you hear is the bolt on an MP5. I'm not sure how many people actually can afford those, or can get them in their possession....
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
ALSO...most suppressors aren't like the movies. The gun still goes BANG. It doesn't go "chirp-chirp" like James Bond. There are some suppressors that quiet it so...
ALSO...most suppressors aren't like the movies. The gun still goes BANG. It doesn't go "chirp-chirp" like James Bond. There are some suppressors that quiet it so much all you hear is the bolt on an MP5. I'm not sure how many people actually can afford those, or can get them in their possession....
Ammo can matter also.
Guys can get pretty crafty hand loading subsonic rounds and there's some stuff that's factory made that works well like Special-k or Remington Super X 147 grain.
They'll even change/modify parts on those MP5's to get them quieter.
hkpro.com has a lot of knowledgeable people in regards to MP5's.
You even see transferable ones on there for sale every now and then and I've even seen a couple semi-auto demilled ones. Also clones.
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300 Blackout Subsonic is a fun and super quiet one through a suppressor. Funny to pull the trigger, refocus and then watch the hole appear through the target at 100 yards. Then you hear the THWACK! Laughing Damn thing probably drops 8 inches at 100 yards, only runs about 1000 feet per second.

Put half a straw full of water down the throat of a suppressor on the 45 and it goes Hollywood quiet for about ten rounds. Freaky.

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Spartacus 2/7/2016 10:13am
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What I've personally found is that most pedestrian anti's just plain don't know anything about guns other than what they've seen or heard. Few I've ever spoken to, rationally explaining different weapons and how they work, don't fail to see my position better. One HUGE anti even gave my AR her blessing when I told her it was used in competition.

If the anti's (like us) make decisions off the availability heuristic (you can only base decisions from what you know) I figure the more they actually know about guns the better. My wife was from a non-gun family and was mortified with my guns. Less than a year later she was shooting USPSA. And of course you won't change a lot of people's minds but I've gotten several anti's out breaking clays and they had a blast.

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austin888_99 2/7/2016 12:14pm
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Wow people other than me know who stephen crowder is. The pople i know in real life have no clue. Does anyone know who bill whittle is? He has great commentary on about everything but some good ones in guns too.

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