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usafwx 1/20/2016 10:51pm
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usafwx wrote:
All my doctors swear I should have had a concussion with my latest crash and the impact that resulted in major internal bleeding, fractured ribs,etc. but...
All my doctors swear I should have had a concussion with my latest crash and the impact that resulted in major internal bleeding, fractured ribs,etc. but CT scans showed no trauma to my brain/head area, was wearing a 6D helmet and will forever wear one, marketing hype, whatever, 6D has proven itself, hopefully the leatt will too, but until then I'm sticking to my 6D.
Temor a la Mancha wrote:
Your doctors are fucking idiots. They have no way of knowing if you 'should' have a concussion or not.
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was sent to the ER they thought I had a concussion since I kept passing out. CT scans showed no brain trauma, I was passing out from loss of blood internally. Based on how I landed from the crash, that I personally experienced, not you, I hit my head on the ground first then my side, then landed on by my bike and another guys bike, so ya, one would hypothesis I "should" of had a concussion. If anyone sounds like an idiot its you sir.
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usafwx wrote:
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was...
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was sent to the ER they thought I had a concussion since I kept passing out. CT scans showed no brain trauma, I was passing out from loss of blood internally. Based on how I landed from the crash, that I personally experienced, not you, I hit my head on the ground first then my side, then landed on by my bike and another guys bike, so ya, one would hypothesis I "should" of had a concussion. If anyone sounds like an idiot its you sir.
I imagine your head would have fallen clean off without the 6d.
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usafwx wrote:
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was...
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was sent to the ER they thought I had a concussion since I kept passing out. CT scans showed no brain trauma, I was passing out from loss of blood internally. Based on how I landed from the crash, that I personally experienced, not you, I hit my head on the ground first then my side, then landed on by my bike and another guys bike, so ya, one would hypothesis I "should" of had a concussion. If anyone sounds like an idiot its you sir.
uk125250 wrote:
I imagine your head would have fallen clean off without the 6d.
Super educated response there. The point I was making is in some cheap China made Fox helmet I likely would have had a concussion, the 6D did what it is advertised to do, I don't know about you but I'd rather keep my concussions to a minimum, but in your case and some other responses here, seems like concussions wouldn't really hinder what already is hindered.
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The new Tampax helmet rocks.

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usafwx wrote:
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was...
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was sent to the ER they thought I had a concussion since I kept passing out. CT scans showed no brain trauma, I was passing out from loss of blood internally. Based on how I landed from the crash, that I personally experienced, not you, I hit my head on the ground first then my side, then landed on by my bike and another guys bike, so ya, one would hypothesis I "should" of had a concussion. If anyone sounds like an idiot its you sir.
uk125250 wrote:
I imagine your head would have fallen clean off without the 6d.
usafwx wrote:
Super educated response there. The point I was making is in some cheap China made Fox helmet I likely would have had a concussion, the 6D...
Super educated response there. The point I was making is in some cheap China made Fox helmet I likely would have had a concussion, the 6D did what it is advertised to do, I don't know about you but I'd rather keep my concussions to a minimum, but in your case and some other responses here, seems like concussions wouldn't really hinder what already is hindered.
I don't know for a fact, but I am pretty sure that the 6D helmets are "cheap china made helmets" just like the Fox helmet you were speaking of.
ChazzMichaelMichaels 1/21/2016 7:52am
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usafwx wrote:
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was...
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was sent to the ER they thought I had a concussion since I kept passing out. CT scans showed no brain trauma, I was passing out from loss of blood internally. Based on how I landed from the crash, that I personally experienced, not you, I hit my head on the ground first then my side, then landed on by my bike and another guys bike, so ya, one would hypothesis I "should" of had a concussion. If anyone sounds like an idiot its you sir.
So how hard you hit your head directly correlates to how hard you hit your ribs, spleen, and collar bone? Mmmm
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" tech features" "molded 3D shell" molded from what ? weight ?

chocolatethunder782 1/21/2016 8:43am
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usafwx wrote:
All my doctors swear I should have had a concussion with my latest crash and the impact that resulted in major internal bleeding, fractured ribs,etc. but...
All my doctors swear I should have had a concussion with my latest crash and the impact that resulted in major internal bleeding, fractured ribs,etc. but CT scans showed no trauma to my brain/head area, was wearing a 6D helmet and will forever wear one, marketing hype, whatever, 6D has proven itself, hopefully the leatt will too, but until then I'm sticking to my 6D.
Temor a la Mancha wrote:
Your doctors are fucking idiots. They have no way of knowing if you 'should' have a concussion or not.
usafwx wrote:
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was...
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was sent to the ER they thought I had a concussion since I kept passing out. CT scans showed no brain trauma, I was passing out from loss of blood internally. Based on how I landed from the crash, that I personally experienced, not you, I hit my head on the ground first then my side, then landed on by my bike and another guys bike, so ya, one would hypothesis I "should" of had a concussion. If anyone sounds like an idiot its you sir.
A ct scan can't show a concussion. It would only be able to see bleeding on your brain. There is a blood test that they use in other countries that can measure the extent of a concussion but we don't do it in America. (Because we love football too much)
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_155634.html
GeorgiePorgie 1/21/2016 8:48am
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Loss of blood internally ? Didn't they look at you? Or did they just think you being ghost white was because you work the night shift and never see daylight?

I don't see how you should of had a concussion. You do or don't. Lol. 2 ribs and comminuted collarbone and I never hit my head. So should I have had a concussion. I don't understand what you mean....

Chocolate post some literature evidence based practice review on that blood test. You'll then see why we don't use it in America.
chocolatethunder782 1/21/2016 9:07am
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Here's another article.
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2015/11/09/Blood-test-accurately-detects…

It is 94% accurate. It checks the level of a protein that is released when you have brain damage. We already do the same thing to diagnose heart attacks. The protein for heart damage is called triponin. This is the type of thing that happens when medical practices are guided by politicians. The NFL would hate for them to use something like this because all the players would come up positive for concussions after every game. I'm sure they pay lobbyists millions of dollars to lobby against it, but there is a lot of talk about it on the internet so maybe we will start using it eventually.
chocolatethunder782 1/21/2016 9:28am
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Here is exactly what I was talking about, the NFL is paying for the research so of course they won't be able to figure out how to use it in here in America. "The NFL likely agrees, as they have donated $2.4 million through the NFL Head Health Challenge to three different teams researching blood-based biomarkers (Quanterix, Banyan Labs, and researchers at the University of Montana)."

They already use it in other countries....

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/are-the-promises-of-concussion-bl…
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I am just glad that helmet companies are starting to make SERIOUS changes, not this MIPS B.S., and we can thank 6D for that. My only hope is that innovation in this area continues and that perhaps in the near future we can get a new standard by which to test MX helmets.

Now if we could get these new helmets to weigh less then 1000 grams that would be awesome.

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huck 1/21/2016 10:38am
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I'll buy one after David Bailey calls everybody out for not wearing one!
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Looks pretty cool. I just got myself a new Airoh for Christmas so it will be another year or two before I try something new. Should be some decent feedback by then.



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huck 1/21/2016 1:16pm
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It's great to see new technology out. Whether it's Leatt, 6D, Airoh, or any of the other manufacturers....I think it helps all riders in the long run.
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eGGz wrote:
That video is pure marketing hype / bs. Just to point out one example, this graph does not provide the X and Y data ranges. Without...
That video is pure marketing hype / bs.
Just to point out one example, this graph does not provide the X and Y data ranges.
Without the necessary data the actual difference between a "normal helmet" (whatever that is) and their helmet could actually be so tiny as to not make any difference at all.

JBernard_401 wrote:
youre an idiot. the leatt bar has almost no red in it at all. look how much red the other one has.
I totally agree the green bar is much lower definitely a safer helmut!
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EddieC wrote:
I am just glad that helmet companies are starting to make SERIOUS changes, not this MIPS B.S., and we can thank 6D for that. My only...
I am just glad that helmet companies are starting to make SERIOUS changes, not this MIPS B.S., and we can thank 6D for that. My only hope is that innovation in this area continues and that perhaps in the near future we can get a new standard by which to test MX helmets.

Now if we could get these new helmets to weigh less then 1000 grams that would be awesome.

Can you elaborate on your statement about MIPS?

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Amazing video....Nice to see Leatt expanding their product line
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Can you elaborate on your statement about MIPS?
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Loss of blood internally ? Didn't they look at you? Or did they just think you being ghost white was because you work the night shift...
Loss of blood internally ? Didn't they look at you? Or did they just think you being ghost white was because you work the night shift and never see daylight?

I don't see how you should of had a concussion. You do or don't. Lol. 2 ribs and comminuted collarbone and I never hit my head. So should I have had a concussion. I don't understand what you mean....

Chocolate post some literature evidence based practice review on that blood test. You'll then see why we don't use it in America.
Yes I had a ruptured spleen and lacerated kidney causing internal bleeding, loss of blood caused light headedness which gave the impression of a concussion, CT scans of my abdomen confirmed this after the CT scan of my head showed no trauma.
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usafwx 1/22/2016 9:19am
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usafwx wrote:
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was...
How do you figure? The impact I took was enough to fracture ribs, lacerate my kidney, rupture my spleen and fracture my collarbone. When I was sent to the ER they thought I had a concussion since I kept passing out. CT scans showed no brain trauma, I was passing out from loss of blood internally. Based on how I landed from the crash, that I personally experienced, not you, I hit my head on the ground first then my side, then landed on by my bike and another guys bike, so ya, one would hypothesis I "should" of had a concussion. If anyone sounds like an idiot its you sir.
ChazzMichaelMichaels wrote:
So how hard you hit your head directly correlates to how hard you hit your ribs, spleen, and collar bone? Mmmm
No but it gives you an idea of the impact. Should and did or did not are not interchangeable terms. Medicine, science etc. is all about coming to answers, hypothesis, diagnosis through deduction or theory/evidence. Some of you people are ridiculous on here.
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Can you elaborate on your statement about MIPS?
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EddieC wrote:
I am just glad that helmet companies are starting to make SERIOUS changes, not this MIPS B.S., and we can thank 6D for that. My only...
I am just glad that helmet companies are starting to make SERIOUS changes, not this MIPS B.S., and we can thank 6D for that. My only hope is that innovation in this area continues and that perhaps in the near future we can get a new standard by which to test MX helmets.

Now if we could get these new helmets to weigh less then 1000 grams that would be awesome.

hvaughn88 wrote:
Can you elaborate on your statement about MIPS?
http://www.bhsi.org/mips.htm

The link above does a really good job of explaining the ineffectiveness MIPS. My thoughts are that helmet companies that use MIPS do so in order to show that they are "keeping up" with this new trend in helmet safety without having to spend large amounts of cash in R&D to develop something that works.

MIPS is no where close to matching the technology of BELL, 6D, and Leatt and this is where MARKETING plays a role in blurring that difference to an uneducated public.

If you are a company that sells helmets I feel its the companies responsibility to push the limits of R&D to help keep riders safe and not just settle for a gov't standard that the industry knows should be changed.

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flarider 1/22/2016 10:40am
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My one comment here....

I am not going to state one product is better than another, or should or should not be worn. If you like it and makes you more comfortable, fine, wear it.

That said, I do think people need to be more careful in their wording on how "Product X saved my life"

There's no evidence of it and unless your physician was standing right there to witness your crash, anything else is purely speculative. I read so many of these "saved my life" posts regarding various products, you'd think people were dying in MX on a daily basis.

If you believe it reduced your amount or level of injury, that's easier to grasp than blanket "saved my life" claims.

I'll go away again now....
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I heard all the Leatt helmets are coated with Weston Peick's blood. You could let a train run over your head and be fine
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EddieC wrote:
[url=http://www.bhsi.org/mips.htm]http://www.bhsi.org/mips.htm[/url] The link above does a really good job of explaining the ineffectiveness MIPS. My thoughts are that helmet companies that use MIPS do so in...
http://www.bhsi.org/mips.htm

The link above does a really good job of explaining the ineffectiveness MIPS. My thoughts are that helmet companies that use MIPS do so in order to show that they are "keeping up" with this new trend in helmet safety without having to spend large amounts of cash in R&D to develop something that works.

MIPS is no where close to matching the technology of BELL, 6D, and Leatt and this is where MARKETING plays a role in blurring that difference to an uneducated public.

If you are a company that sells helmets I feel its the companies responsibility to push the limits of R&D to help keep riders safe and not just settle for a gov't standard that the industry knows should be changed.

The article mentions that Bell purchased a large interest in MIPS. Why would they then create a technology superior to it and reduce the return on their investment? It states that they purchased an interest in MIPS not necessarily their IP???
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EddieC wrote:
[url=http://www.bhsi.org/mips.htm]http://www.bhsi.org/mips.htm[/url] The link above does a really good job of explaining the ineffectiveness MIPS. My thoughts are that helmet companies that use MIPS do so in...
http://www.bhsi.org/mips.htm

The link above does a really good job of explaining the ineffectiveness MIPS. My thoughts are that helmet companies that use MIPS do so in order to show that they are "keeping up" with this new trend in helmet safety without having to spend large amounts of cash in R&D to develop something that works.

MIPS is no where close to matching the technology of BELL, 6D, and Leatt and this is where MARKETING plays a role in blurring that difference to an uneducated public.

If you are a company that sells helmets I feel its the companies responsibility to push the limits of R&D to help keep riders safe and not just settle for a gov't standard that the industry knows should be changed.

Canadad wrote:
The article mentions that Bell purchased a large interest in MIPS. Why would they then create a technology superior to it and reduce the return on...
The article mentions that Bell purchased a large interest in MIPS. Why would they then create a technology superior to it and reduce the return on their investment? It states that they purchased an interest in MIPS not necessarily their IP???
That is a good question and one that could only be answered by Bell.
We could suppose that Bell looked into this purchase before/during testing of their new technology not knowing if their new tech would work. Perhaps Bell had the foresight to know gear companies that didn't want to invest in new technology would need something and why not sell it to their competitors.

Whatever the reason is, it doesn't change the fact the MIPS doesn't even come close to the providing the same benefits as the 6D, Leatt and the Bell Flex.

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