Turkey shoots down Russian SU24

Xracerdone wrote:

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kongols wrote:

One of the pilots is alive and back in a Russian base.

MR. X wrote:

I wonder if they handed him over because of what has gone on already or if he escaped capture or was rescued .

NV825 wrote:

I hope to god this isn't the start of WWIII

Xracerdone wrote:

Prior to the 21st century, war was organized by geographic segregation and nationalism. WW3 isn't going to look like any of them. WW3 is going to...

Prior to the 21st century, war was organized by geographic segregation and nationalism. WW3 isn't going to look like any of them. WW3 is going to consist of sucker-punches, dirty attacks and chaos on a worldwide scale with no front lines, no uniforms, and no rules of war.

kongols wrote:

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kongols wrote:

Haha. Russian media is running with a story that Obama accepted Turkey`s proposal to take out russian plane as a warning to Putin for destroying oil...

Haha. Russian media is running with a story that Obama accepted Turkey`s proposal to take out russian plane as a warning to Putin for destroying oil smuggling to Turkey from ISIS. They say that conversation took place during G20 summit.
Well, you should see russian media. It`s like a sci-fi sitcom. Imaginary runs wild there.

FastEddy wrote:

There's a couple rumors going around in regards to Putin destroying their oil shipments. I heard Obama was upset at Putin during their last meeting regarding...

There's a couple rumors going around in regards to Putin destroying their oil shipments.
I heard Obama was upset at Putin during their last meeting regarding ISIS/Syria.
Allegedly Obama was upset due to environmental concerns because of Putin destroying the oil shipments.
He supposedly said that was reason no one else was targeting them.

NV825 wrote:

I hope to god this isn't the start of WWIII

Xracerdone wrote:

Prior to the 21st century, war was organized by geographic segregation and nationalism. WW3 isn't going to look like any of them. WW3 is going to...

Prior to the 21st century, war was organized by geographic segregation and nationalism. WW3 isn't going to look like any of them. WW3 is going to consist of sucker-punches, dirty attacks and chaos on a worldwide scale with no front lines, no uniforms, and no rules of war.

NV825 wrote:

And that's what exactly scares me. There will most likely never be an official start to WWIII because the entire landscape of war has changed.

kongols wrote:

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Sunhouse wrote:

If the pilots are taken captive by "moderate" rebels, they are done for. It will prove why Russia bombs them in the first place, but I...

If the pilots are taken captive by "moderate" rebels, they are done for. It will prove why Russia bombs them in the first place, but I guess Western media will look past that.
Let´s hope they are in Turkish captivity

Motocross83 wrote:

x2 Very likely I would say. Turkey is supposedly on our side, so even if the Russians have crossed into their air space, you'd think that...

x2 Very likely I would say. Turkey is supposedly on our side, so even if the Russians have crossed into their air space, you'd think that the common goal should remain of greater importance. Of course the reality is that Turkey has been aiding IS - buying their oil, letting them move freely across the border etc - all while we turn a blind eye.

TeamGreen wrote:

When you continuously INTRUDE into Sovereign Airspace and you're TOLD PUBLICLY that said Airspace WILL BE DEFENDED... When you fly a POS SU24 in Airspace defended...

When you continuously INTRUDE into Sovereign Airspace and you're TOLD PUBLICLY that said Airspace WILL BE DEFENDED...

When you fly a POS SU24 in Airspace defended by well equipped F16s...

When you're BOMBING THE SHIT OUT OF THE SOVEREIGN NATION'S ALLIES...you know...the country who's airspace you keep VIOLATING?

When you don't even have the common-sense to advise said SOVEREIGN NATION'S local ATC...

When you're flying that old POS for a nation that shot down a Commercial 777 & everyone in the world knows "It was you, you Ass Hole!"...

When you go on camera and say,"We didn't see it coming. The missle just hit us with no warning!" You Fuggin' Whinning lil' Bitch!

Well then, you brought that shit on yourself and you should consider yourself lucky; becuase, Turkey could've knocked all your shit outta the sky & the world would have said,"What? We didn't see nuthin'."

Don't start none, Won't be none!

Motocross83 wrote:

In 2014 a Turkish fighter flew into Syrian airspace. At this time it must be remembered that there was already a great deal of tension between...

In 2014 a Turkish fighter flew into Syrian airspace. At this time it must be remembered that there was already a great deal of tension between Turkey and Syria i.e they were far from friends. Syria fired on the Turkish plane for violating their airspace and Erdogan (the Turkish president) protested vigorously, saying that it was totally unreasonable to fire on an aircraft entering another nations airspace for only a short time. This is a 180 degree difference on his current statements. In this instance Russia and Turkey, which incidentally have friendly relations, including both strong commercial and tourist links, were supposedly on the same side - that is attacking ISIS and other groups that hold the same extremist philosophy. Therefore it must have been extremely surprising to the Russians that Turkey went so far as to launch an attack against them. A few weeks ago Russia did stray into Turkish airspace and Putin apologised immediately.

With regard to Turkey's allies, I refer you to the recent session of congress where one of America's generals (I forget his name) was being questioned as to how many moderates he could reliably identify; he stated that it was "4 or 5"... The lady who was questioning him remarked "General, you must realise that's a joke?". In fact most of the weapons which the West has handed over to the supposed "moderates", are now in the hands of ISIS. Either because the moderates sold them to IS, or because they left with the weapons and joined up themselves directly. I would like to further remind you that the moderates then proceeded to machine gun one of the pilots as he descended on his parachute - this being in direct violation of the Geneva Convention. And then attempted to murder the further rescue team.

Lastly, at this point we don't actually know whether in fact the Russians did enter Turkish airspace on this occasion. However even Turkey claim that it was only for a period of 17 seconds. This is the kind of thing that has happened previously and will continue to happen between nations operating in close proximity.

TeamGreen wrote:

When you continuously INTRUDE into Sovereign Airspace and you're TOLD PUBLICLY that said Airspace WILL BE DEFENDED... When you fly a POS SU24 in Airspace defended...

When you continuously INTRUDE into Sovereign Airspace and you're TOLD PUBLICLY that said Airspace WILL BE DEFENDED...

When you fly a POS SU24 in Airspace defended by well equipped F16s...

When you're BOMBING THE SHIT OUT OF THE SOVEREIGN NATION'S ALLIES...you know...the country who's airspace you keep VIOLATING?

When you don't even have the common-sense to advise said SOVEREIGN NATION'S local ATC...

When you're flying that old POS for a nation that shot down a Commercial 777 & everyone in the world knows "It was you, you Ass Hole!"...

When you go on camera and say,"We didn't see it coming. The missle just hit us with no warning!" You Fuggin' Whinning lil' Bitch!

Well then, you brought that shit on yourself and you should consider yourself lucky; becuase, Turkey could've knocked all your shit outta the sky & the world would have said,"What? We didn't see nuthin'."

Don't start none, Won't be none!

Motocross83 wrote:

In 2014 a Turkish fighter flew into Syrian airspace. At this time it must be remembered that there was already a great deal of tension between...

In 2014 a Turkish fighter flew into Syrian airspace. At this time it must be remembered that there was already a great deal of tension between Turkey and Syria i.e they were far from friends. Syria fired on the Turkish plane for violating their airspace and Erdogan (the Turkish president) protested vigorously, saying that it was totally unreasonable to fire on an aircraft entering another nations airspace for only a short time. This is a 180 degree difference on his current statements. In this instance Russia and Turkey, which incidentally have friendly relations, including both strong commercial and tourist links, were supposedly on the same side - that is attacking ISIS and other groups that hold the same extremist philosophy. Therefore it must have been extremely surprising to the Russians that Turkey went so far as to launch an attack against them. A few weeks ago Russia did stray into Turkish airspace and Putin apologised immediately.

With regard to Turkey's allies, I refer you to the recent session of congress where one of America's generals (I forget his name) was being questioned as to how many moderates he could reliably identify; he stated that it was "4 or 5"... The lady who was questioning him remarked "General, you must realise that's a joke?". In fact most of the weapons which the West has handed over to the supposed "moderates", are now in the hands of ISIS. Either because the moderates sold them to IS, or because they left with the weapons and joined up themselves directly. I would like to further remind you that the moderates then proceeded to machine gun one of the pilots as he descended on his parachute - this being in direct violation of the Geneva Convention. And then attempted to murder the further rescue team.

Lastly, at this point we don't actually know whether in fact the Russians did enter Turkish airspace on this occasion. However even Turkey claim that it was only for a period of 17 seconds. This is the kind of thing that has happened previously and will continue to happen between nations operating in close proximity.

TeamGreen wrote:

See the SU24 in the ground?

See me laughing?

That's all you need to know.

Sunhouse wrote:

Why is that funny?

TeamGreen wrote:

When you continuously INTRUDE into Sovereign Airspace and you're TOLD PUBLICLY that said Airspace WILL BE DEFENDED... When you fly a POS SU24 in Airspace defended...

When you continuously INTRUDE into Sovereign Airspace and you're TOLD PUBLICLY that said Airspace WILL BE DEFENDED...

When you fly a POS SU24 in Airspace defended by well equipped F16s...

When you're BOMBING THE SHIT OUT OF THE SOVEREIGN NATION'S ALLIES...you know...the country who's airspace you keep VIOLATING?

When you don't even have the common-sense to advise said SOVEREIGN NATION'S local ATC...

When you're flying that old POS for a nation that shot down a Commercial 777 & everyone in the world knows "It was you, you Ass Hole!"...

When you go on camera and say,"We didn't see it coming. The missle just hit us with no warning!" You Fuggin' Whinning lil' Bitch!

Well then, you brought that shit on yourself and you should consider yourself lucky; becuase, Turkey could've knocked all your shit outta the sky & the world would have said,"What? We didn't see nuthin'."

Don't start none, Won't be none!

Motocross83 wrote:

In 2014 a Turkish fighter flew into Syrian airspace. At this time it must be remembered that there was already a great deal of tension between...

In 2014 a Turkish fighter flew into Syrian airspace. At this time it must be remembered that there was already a great deal of tension between Turkey and Syria i.e they were far from friends. Syria fired on the Turkish plane for violating their airspace and Erdogan (the Turkish president) protested vigorously, saying that it was totally unreasonable to fire on an aircraft entering another nations airspace for only a short time. This is a 180 degree difference on his current statements. In this instance Russia and Turkey, which incidentally have friendly relations, including both strong commercial and tourist links, were supposedly on the same side - that is attacking ISIS and other groups that hold the same extremist philosophy. Therefore it must have been extremely surprising to the Russians that Turkey went so far as to launch an attack against them. A few weeks ago Russia did stray into Turkish airspace and Putin apologised immediately.

With regard to Turkey's allies, I refer you to the recent session of congress where one of America's generals (I forget his name) was being questioned as to how many moderates he could reliably identify; he stated that it was "4 or 5"... The lady who was questioning him remarked "General, you must realise that's a joke?". In fact most of the weapons which the West has handed over to the supposed "moderates", are now in the hands of ISIS. Either because the moderates sold them to IS, or because they left with the weapons and joined up themselves directly. I would like to further remind you that the moderates then proceeded to machine gun one of the pilots as he descended on his parachute - this being in direct violation of the Geneva Convention. And then attempted to murder the further rescue team.

Lastly, at this point we don't actually know whether in fact the Russians did enter Turkish airspace on this occasion. However even Turkey claim that it was only for a period of 17 seconds. This is the kind of thing that has happened previously and will continue to happen between nations operating in close proximity.

TeamGreen wrote:

See the SU24 in the ground?

See me laughing?

That's all you need to know.

Motocross83 wrote:

In 2014 a Turkish fighter flew into Syrian airspace. At this time it must be remembered that there was already a great deal of tension between...

In 2014 a Turkish fighter flew into Syrian airspace. At this time it must be remembered that there was already a great deal of tension between Turkey and Syria i.e they were far from friends. Syria fired on the Turkish plane for violating their airspace and Erdogan (the Turkish president) protested vigorously, saying that it was totally unreasonable to fire on an aircraft entering another nations airspace for only a short time. This is a 180 degree difference on his current statements. In this instance Russia and Turkey, which incidentally have friendly relations, including both strong commercial and tourist links, were supposedly on the same side - that is attacking ISIS and other groups that hold the same extremist philosophy. Therefore it must have been extremely surprising to the Russians that Turkey went so far as to launch an attack against them. A few weeks ago Russia did stray into Turkish airspace and Putin apologised immediately.

With regard to Turkey's allies, I refer you to the recent session of congress where one of America's generals (I forget his name) was being questioned as to how many moderates he could reliably identify; he stated that it was "4 or 5"... The lady who was questioning him remarked "General, you must realise that's a joke?". In fact most of the weapons which the West has handed over to the supposed "moderates", are now in the hands of ISIS. Either because the moderates sold them to IS, or because they left with the weapons and joined up themselves directly. I would like to further remind you that the moderates then proceeded to machine gun one of the pilots as he descended on his parachute - this being in direct violation of the Geneva Convention. And then attempted to murder the further rescue team.

Lastly, at this point we don't actually know whether in fact the Russians did enter Turkish airspace on this occasion. However even Turkey claim that it was only for a period of 17 seconds. This is the kind of thing that has happened previously and will continue to happen between nations operating in close proximity.

TeamGreen wrote:

See the SU24 in the ground?

See me laughing?

That's all you need to know.

Itsblackandwhite wrote:

So your laughing was like "allahu akbar, allahu akbar!" ?? [img]http://www.notable-quotes.com/b/george_w_bush_quote_2.jpg[/img]

So your laughing was like "allahu akbar, allahu akbar!" ??

TeamGreen wrote:

Wow How foolish are you? I'll let you in on a little secret, F that, let's make it SEVERAL OBVIOUS FACTS FOR THE OBLIVIOUS: You fly...

Wow

How foolish are you?

I'll let you in on a little secret, F that, let's make it SEVERAL OBVIOUS FACTS FOR THE OBLIVIOUS:

You fly your ARMED FIGHTER-BOMBERS in to a country that see's you coming...?
You're warned SEVERAL TIMES to "turn away" & NOT TO APPROACH...?
One of the warned Pilots peeled-off and AVOIDED ATTACK...?
Worst of All, what if you'd recently done this shit and WERE WARNED INFRONT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD...?

And, for those that truly don't understand...

The Russians were "Out-Tech'd". That's right. A Turk AWACS is what really kicked thier ass.

Again: Don't Start None, Won't Be None!

TeamGreen wrote:

See the SU24 in the ground?

See me laughing?

That's all you need to know.

Itsblackandwhite wrote:

So your laughing was like "allahu akbar, allahu akbar!" ?? [img]http://www.notable-quotes.com/b/george_w_bush_quote_2.jpg[/img]

So your laughing was like "allahu akbar, allahu akbar!" ??

TeamGreen wrote:

Wow How foolish are you? I'll let you in on a little secret, F that, let's make it SEVERAL OBVIOUS FACTS FOR THE OBLIVIOUS: You fly...

Wow

How foolish are you?

I'll let you in on a little secret, F that, let's make it SEVERAL OBVIOUS FACTS FOR THE OBLIVIOUS:

You fly your ARMED FIGHTER-BOMBERS in to a country that see's you coming...?
You're warned SEVERAL TIMES to "turn away" & NOT TO APPROACH...?
One of the warned Pilots peeled-off and AVOIDED ATTACK...?
Worst of All, what if you'd recently done this shit and WERE WARNED INFRONT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD...?

And, for those that truly don't understand...

The Russians were "Out-Tech'd". That's right. A Turk AWACS is what really kicked thier ass.

Again: Don't Start None, Won't Be None!