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TeamGreen wrote:

Suspension-wise you can buy just about EVERYTHING your heart desires. ECU? The Red-Box isn't "all the rage" compared to some of the other stuff, complete w/data-acquisition...

Suspension-wise you can buy just about EVERYTHING your heart desires.

ECU? The Red-Box isn't "all the rage" compared to some of the other stuff, complete w/data-acquisition, that's available these days.

It's Sooooo Easy to make a competitive a Honda.

And you, of all people, know this!
Remember that fast motor Preston had that was as good/better than some of the "in-house" stuff?

Xeno wrote:

Sure, MCR could buy the good suspension- but I don't think they will. Can't buy the factory ECU, and if you could it requires a technician...

Sure, MCR could buy the good suspension- but I don't think they will.

Can't buy the factory ECU, and if you could it requires a technician who is fluent in Japanese.

Vince Friese has great results on his 2014 CRF450R. I'm a fan for sure.

BTW- How is it that you are 1,000 feet from my shop today and you don't stop by? AND you send someone else over to pick up your rear wheel that's been on my wheel rack for 2 YEARS???

Really, TeamGreen? Really?

Xeno wrote:

I don't see Yamaha dropping the coin on Reed and Bogle in the same year. I say they get going with Reed and keep options on...

I don't see Yamaha dropping the coin on Reed and Bogle in the same year. I say they get going with Reed and keep options on Martin, Webb and Plessinger- some go to JGR and some go to the factory team.

I think Kawi will cave on Bogle's price and pull the trigger.

Gringoe wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Hahn is resigned for next year and bogle got left out in the rain.

TeamGreen wrote:

This all depends on what he accepts in the from of a contract: Base versus Bonus. He's going to have to make that kind of decision...

This all depends on what he accepts in the from of a contract: Base versus Bonus. He's going to have to make that kind of decision. A few others have already paved the way...

If he wants Factory Equipment, he'll have to take what they're offering (likely a lower base than he wants).

Xeno wrote:

Are you referring to Reed or Bogle? We know Reed's not afraid to take all his incentive as win bonus- that's his trademark.

TeamGreen wrote:

Bogle He's in an "odd year" situation where everyone-else is in the 2nd year of existing contracts and there's only a few spots available. Also, he...

Bogle

He's in an "odd year" situation where everyone-else is in the 2nd year of existing contracts and there's only a few spots available. Also, he hasn't lit the world on fire on a 450.

Also, the way everyone is writting off the MCR possibilities is almost funny. They're still out there and there bikes WORK. Vince's Honda was working really well this summer. I think it's a very viable option for him.

Xeno wrote:

Are you referring to Reed or Bogle? We know Reed's not afraid to take all his incentive as win bonus- that's his trademark.

TeamGreen wrote:

Bogle He's in an "odd year" situation where everyone-else is in the 2nd year of existing contracts and there's only a few spots available. Also, he...

Bogle

He's in an "odd year" situation where everyone-else is in the 2nd year of existing contracts and there's only a few spots available. Also, he hasn't lit the world on fire on a 450.

Also, the way everyone is writting off the MCR possibilities is almost funny. They're still out there and there bikes WORK. Vince's Honda was working really well this summer. I think it's a very viable option for him.

cwtoyota wrote:

Beyond all that, it [i]sounds[/i] like that team will bend over backwards to satisfy the rider. The fact that they go racing with 17 different brand...

Beyond all that, it sounds like that team will bend over backwards to satisfy the rider. The fact that they go racing with 17 different brand of motorcycle seems like an indicator that they are totally clueless or that they are willing to do whatever it takes. I haven't been a fan of Vince in the past, but his results are no joke, the dude and the bike are working.


This makes me wonder, do the agents take into account the timing of contracts that they sign their riders into? Seems like if Bogle (a rider who was growing short on years in the 250cc class) had an agent sign him into a contract for his 250cc ride, a good agent would have pulled a Kasparov and thought a few moves ahead. When is the best window for a factory 450cc contract? Ok, all the riders have 2 year deals that end next year... "Hey Justin, don't sign that 2 year deal, tell them you want a 1 year deal with an option for the 2nd year". Maybe they asked and were told "sign for 2 or kick rocks kid"...

51xc wrote:

as far as i know tomac had a one year deal with option for a 2nd year on his 450 honda ride. but we are talking...

as far as i know tomac had a one year deal with option for a 2nd year on his 450 honda ride. but we are talking about eli. teams expect championships from him so he will have more say in that than a bogle.