Fixing the sport?

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GIwasB4 3/27/2015 8:57pm
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OK, here goes: I have worked in the back side of production in everything from a supercross race, to the circus, to a Barry Manilow show...
OK, here goes: I have worked in the back side of production in everything from a supercross race, to the circus, to a Barry Manilow show.
Feld....repeat... FELD.. owns supercross, no different than the circus, a monster truck show, MX arenacross or Disney on Ice.

It's a show, it's hollywood, it's a production.

Supercross racing is NOT A SPORT!

It is a show and if your lucky and have enough talent, you can participate.

Sorry.
You can't fix what THEY don't want fixed.
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Tarz483 3/27/2015 8:59pm
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I'm a big fan of the sport
. Have been for many years
.lately I've been thinking it needs some fixing
And not just safety ...
But in fairness .
It's like there are two or three separate races
Going on
..imo the bikes need to be more equal
And perhaps closer to stock .
... no parts that can't be bought
By any one ..
And why do we need
Those holeshot devices ?
If nobody had 1
Nobody would need 1 ..
But watching the races
Sometimes it seems like the factory riders
Are in Nascars
and the privateers ate trying to
Compete with them in stock
Impala's
... these are already
The fastest most talented
Guys in the world
Why give them the fastest
Best handling bikes
And an unfair advantage
.. making for some boring racing ..
Imo somethings need to happen to
Make things more equal
And perhaps slow it down a little at the same time
With stock motors and suspension perhaps ??
ByronFRiday 3/27/2015 9:02pm
3/27/2015 9:02pm
the_wood109 wrote:
This is the straw man argument that pops up the most. Everyone knows that you cannot eliminate risk. The question is: "How can we minimize risk?"...
This is the straw man argument that pops up the most.

Everyone knows that you cannot eliminate risk. The question is: "How can we minimize risk?"

If you are saying to just accept the current amount of risk, I don't see how you could ever claim to care about the well being of the riders.
See you in 12 months from now...NOTHING will change.

Every one of you will forget about this in a few days.. 10 days tops and yawl will be preoccupied with another thread STAMP IT!



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MXGooner 3/27/2015 9:02pm
3/27/2015 9:02pm Edited Date/Time 3/27/2015 9:07pm
Changing displacements and technology by major manufacturers, won't happen for years. If ever!

Immediate action should start at Eliminating 450C. There is NO reason for that class.

In what case, do novice riders need to be riding the fastest bikes made, make sense?

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the_wood109 3/27/2015 9:15pm
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the_wood109 wrote:
This is the straw man argument that pops up the most. Everyone knows that you cannot eliminate risk. The question is: "How can we minimize risk?"...
This is the straw man argument that pops up the most.

Everyone knows that you cannot eliminate risk. The question is: "How can we minimize risk?"

If you are saying to just accept the current amount of risk, I don't see how you could ever claim to care about the well being of the riders.
ByronFRiday wrote:
See you in 12 months from now...NOTHING will change. Every one of you will forget about this in a few days.. 10 days tops and yawl...
See you in 12 months from now...NOTHING will change.

Every one of you will forget about this in a few days.. 10 days tops and yawl will be preoccupied with another thread STAMP IT!



Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer?

I agree that most people around here will forget about safety when they get a new picture of a top rider's girl, but does that make it any less important?

Your argument boils down to: We can't stop everyone from getting hurt, so why care about safety? It's a stupid argument, and you aren't the first one to make it.

Do you give a shit if these riders get hurt or not?
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GIwasB4 3/27/2015 9:20pm
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You should limit the size of the steps the elephants have to climb, it would be safer for the elephants and theyre trainers.

Same thing.
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the_wood109 wrote:
This is the straw man argument that pops up the most. Everyone knows that you cannot eliminate risk. The question is: "How can we minimize risk?"...
This is the straw man argument that pops up the most.

Everyone knows that you cannot eliminate risk. The question is: "How can we minimize risk?"

If you are saying to just accept the current amount of risk, I don't see how you could ever claim to care about the well being of the riders.
ByronFRiday wrote:
See you in 12 months from now...NOTHING will change. Every one of you will forget about this in a few days.. 10 days tops and yawl...
See you in 12 months from now...NOTHING will change.

Every one of you will forget about this in a few days.. 10 days tops and yawl will be preoccupied with another thread STAMP IT!



the_wood109 wrote:
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer? I agree that most people around here...
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer?

I agree that most people around here will forget about safety when they get a new picture of a top rider's girl, but does that make it any less important?

Your argument boils down to: We can't stop everyone from getting hurt, so why care about safety? It's a stupid argument, and you aren't the first one to make it.

Do you give a shit if these riders get hurt or not?
Glad you boiled it down for us,

Mensa meeting for Muslim loving atheists let out already?
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the_wood109 3/27/2015 9:28pm
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ByronFRiday wrote:
See you in 12 months from now...NOTHING will change. Every one of you will forget about this in a few days.. 10 days tops and yawl...
See you in 12 months from now...NOTHING will change.

Every one of you will forget about this in a few days.. 10 days tops and yawl will be preoccupied with another thread STAMP IT!



the_wood109 wrote:
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer? I agree that most people around here...
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer?

I agree that most people around here will forget about safety when they get a new picture of a top rider's girl, but does that make it any less important?

Your argument boils down to: We can't stop everyone from getting hurt, so why care about safety? It's a stupid argument, and you aren't the first one to make it.

Do you give a shit if these riders get hurt or not?
hillbilly wrote:
Glad you boiled it down for us,

Mensa meeting for Muslim loving atheists let out already?
Just ask me if you can suck it, hillbilly. I'm going to say no, but at least you can have some closure on the issue.
RailinRuts450 3/27/2015 9:28pm
3/27/2015 9:28pm
MXGooner wrote:
Changing displacements and technology by major manufacturers, won't happen for years. If ever! Immediate action should start at Eliminating 450C. There is NO reason for that...
Changing displacements and technology by major manufacturers, won't happen for years. If ever!

Immediate action should start at Eliminating 450C. There is NO reason for that class.

In what case, do novice riders need to be riding the fastest bikes made, make sense?
Brother, I dont "need" a 450, nor can I ride one to its full potiential, but because I'm 31 years old, 6'4" and 225 lbs without gear, in pretty decent shape, I couldn't ride the tracks and do the stuff I can do now without one or at least be comfortable without one.

450s aren't all about top end power, for some of us it's about having extra power on tap. I would bet the bank kids and young amateurs have had horrendous crashes on 65s, 85s, super minis, 150Fs, 125s, 250s and 250Fs trying to do stuff they shouldn't have tried. I also submit far less of us vet riders, even the really fast ones, have less major injuries than kids do or did, because either through our own processes or our parents advice have learned to use our heads.

It's never going to happen but it would be interesting to see data on 10-15, 15-20, 20-25, 25-30, 30-35 and so on with age groups involving injuries in the sport.

I've already mentioned my opinion means little to nothing to anyone. Its about having some down time and wanting to talk about a sport I enjoy with like minded people. Like we should never talk about anything because it doesn't mean anything right? Great point. Top notch stuff.

Also, good stuff PEPE.
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GIwasB4 3/27/2015 9:32pm
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ByronFRiday wrote:
See you in 12 months from now...NOTHING will change. Every one of you will forget about this in a few days.. 10 days tops and yawl...
See you in 12 months from now...NOTHING will change.

Every one of you will forget about this in a few days.. 10 days tops and yawl will be preoccupied with another thread STAMP IT!



the_wood109 wrote:
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer? I agree that most people around here...
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer?

I agree that most people around here will forget about safety when they get a new picture of a top rider's girl, but does that make it any less important?

Your argument boils down to: We can't stop everyone from getting hurt, so why care about safety? It's a stupid argument, and you aren't the first one to make it.

Do you give a shit if these riders get hurt or not?
hillbilly wrote:
Glad you boiled it down for us,

Mensa meeting for Muslim loving atheists let out already?
Nascar=show+scripted outcome

WWE=show+scripted outcome

SX=show+scripted outcome

amateur racing-good as it gets.
ByronFRiday 3/27/2015 9:41pm
3/27/2015 9:41pm
the_wood109 wrote:
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer? I agree that most people around here...
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer?

I agree that most people around here will forget about safety when they get a new picture of a top rider's girl, but does that make it any less important?

Your argument boils down to: We can't stop everyone from getting hurt, so why care about safety? It's a stupid argument, and you aren't the first one to make it.

Do you give a shit if these riders get hurt or not?
Here's the reality. Here's a sort story -

Lets pretend that the motorcycle industry is a brick wall.

Lets also pretend that you and you're risk minimising advocacy are riding directly into a brick wall.

Pad up buddy.... you're gonna need it.

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GIwasB4 wrote:
OK, here goes: I have worked in the back side of production in everything from a supercross race, to the circus, to a Barry Manilow show...
OK, here goes: I have worked in the back side of production in everything from a supercross race, to the circus, to a Barry Manilow show.
Feld....repeat... FELD.. owns supercross, no different than the circus, a monster truck show, MX arenacross or Disney on Ice.

It's a show, it's hollywood, it's a production.

Supercross racing is NOT A SPORT!

It is a show and if your lucky and have enough talent, you can participate.

Sorry.
What he said
ByronFRiday 3/27/2015 9:48pm
3/27/2015 9:48pm
the_wood109 wrote:
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer? I agree that most people around here...
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer?

I agree that most people around here will forget about safety when they get a new picture of a top rider's girl, but does that make it any less important?

Your argument boils down to: We can't stop everyone from getting hurt, so why care about safety? It's a stupid argument, and you aren't the first one to make it.

Do you give a shit if these riders get hurt or not?
Lets imagine this girl was talking about "Do you give a shit if these riders get hurt or not?" instead of "I love cats."

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the_wood109 3/27/2015 9:49pm
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ByronFRiday wrote:
Here's the reality. Here's a sort story - Lets pretend that the motorcycle industry is a brick wall. Lets also pretend that you and you're risk...
Here's the reality. Here's a sort story -

Lets pretend that the motorcycle industry is a brick wall.

Lets also pretend that you and you're risk minimising advocacy are riding directly into a brick wall.

Pad up buddy.... you're gonna need it.

There is nothing "real" about your story.

If you are pretending, then you aren't talking about reality.
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the_wood109 3/27/2015 9:50pm
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The cat lady was fake, as well.
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hillbilly wrote:
Glad you boiled it down for us,

Mensa meeting for Muslim loving atheists let out already?
Do they have those in B F Tennessee?
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the_wood109 wrote:
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer? I agree that most people around here...
Are you saying that we should not try to figure out and address ways to make the sport safer?

I agree that most people around here will forget about safety when they get a new picture of a top rider's girl, but does that make it any less important?

Your argument boils down to: We can't stop everyone from getting hurt, so why care about safety? It's a stupid argument, and you aren't the first one to make it.

Do you give a shit if these riders get hurt or not?
hillbilly wrote:
Glad you boiled it down for us,

Mensa meeting for Muslim loving atheists let out already?
the_wood109 wrote:
Just ask me if you can suck it, hillbilly. I'm going to say no, but at least you can have some closure on the issue.
Uh, mensa meeting for Muslim loving homosexual atheists let out already?
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Straight up begging for attention, now.

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MXGooner 3/27/2015 10:00pm
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My opinion wasn't aimed at you Railin450' but I understand your defensiveness and wish you the best of luck. I've considered age, experience and size in my post. Perhaps you should do the same big guy and stick to the woods.

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GIwasB4 3/27/2015 10:06pm
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hillbilly wrote:
Uh, mensa meeting for Muslim loving homosexual atheists let out already?
Sippin the backwoods holy water aside.
Tell me your real opinion?
ByronFRiday 3/27/2015 10:07pm
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Here's your answer! JK
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IMHO, like it was said, you make the choice to twist the throttle. The bike doesn't yell up to you and say hang on. You decide to roll it or jump it, I tell my boy to do what he feels comfortable doing. He gets good results, and is learning from it. He's working up to doing more and more stuff on the track. He's not riding over his head, while other kids overriding are getting carried away in a ambulance. I've seen it happen often. Slow and steady will eventually win the race. So all this crap about bikes being to powerful is a load of crap. YOU MAKE THE CHOICE!!!!!! My son is only 8 years old he's just learning and having fun, not getting ready for the Nationals. It will all come with lots of seat time, and riding smart.
RailinRuts450 3/28/2015 4:14am
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MXGooner wrote:
My opinion wasn't aimed at you Railin450' but I understand your defensiveness and wish you the best of luck. I've considered age, experience and size in...
My opinion wasn't aimed at you Railin450' but I understand your defensiveness and wish you the best of luck. I've considered age, experience and size in my post. Perhaps you should do the same big guy and stick to the woods.

I have Gooner, I beleive its personal choice between the riders and their parents (if that applies.) I guess I didn't understand what you were saying and thought you were another "no 450s" guy. I do love me some woods, but I also love moto!
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What a discussion
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I’m all for personal responsibility and choice. The problem I see is with the speed of the tracks and the high speed jumps causing catastrophic injury. The displacement of the bike will not change that much. Take a look at the two videos below and notice the difference in speed and the size of the jumps. Is the difference in speed due to the HP (450 vs 500 2-stroke) or the track design? Were Stanton, Larocco and Kiedrowski just slow? In which video do you feel a rider is more likely to sustain a severe injury? The tracks need to be slowed down and the size of the jumps need to be reduced. Especially at the amateur level.

1993 Millville 125 500 Motocross Natonal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwaoqUSlubU

2013 Red Bull Spring Creek National (Millville) Race Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNShIDuKqws
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919x wrote:
I’m all for personal responsibility and choice. The problem I see is with the speed of the tracks and the high speed jumps causing catastrophic injury...
I’m all for personal responsibility and choice. The problem I see is with the speed of the tracks and the high speed jumps causing catastrophic injury. The displacement of the bike will not change that much. Take a look at the two videos below and notice the difference in speed and the size of the jumps. Is the difference in speed due to the HP (450 vs 500 2-stroke) or the track design? Were Stanton, Larocco and Kiedrowski just slow? In which video do you feel a rider is more likely to sustain a severe injury? The tracks need to be slowed down and the size of the jumps need to be reduced. Especially at the amateur level.

1993 Millville 125 500 Motocross Natonal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwaoqUSlubU

2013 Red Bull Spring Creek National (Millville) Race Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNShIDuKqws
No.
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