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We have people in the streets doing wrong, but its the cops fault. Steward failed a drug test, but its FIM fault. When did the criminals and cheaters start having a voice?
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TommyLee93 12/18/2014 6:06am
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It is always someone else's fault.
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Not dotting the "I" and crossing the "t", doesn't make someone a criminal!
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Taking a drug that is on the banned list without prior approval is a direct violation of the drug policy.

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jmx411 12/18/2014 6:14am
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TommyLee93 wrote:
Taking a drug that is on the banned list without prior approval is a direct violation of the drug policy.
Exactly!! If I failed a drug test in the NCAA I would have had a 365 day suspension and I couldn't redshirt. I knew what was on the list and if it was a drug I needed to take for health reasons I had to list it. You break the rules you pay the price.
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TommyLee93 wrote:
Taking a drug that is on the banned list without prior approval is a direct violation of the drug policy.
I don't know what you're reading, but I haven't seen anyone saying that Stewart didn't do it or that he doesn't have the elephant's share of the fault. . . Just saying that the penalty is too steep. . .

It's like giving jail time for not getting your vehicle registered.
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Liberals ,that is the answer to your question.
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TommyLee93 wrote:
Taking a drug that is on the banned list without prior approval is a direct violation of the drug policy.
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I don't know what you're reading, but I haven't seen anyone saying that Stewart didn't do it or that he doesn't have the elephant's share of...
I don't know what you're reading, but I haven't seen anyone saying that Stewart didn't do it or that he doesn't have the elephant's share of the fault. . . Just saying that the penalty is too steep. . .

It's like giving jail time for not getting your vehicle registered.
well, to be fair, wouldn't it be more equivalent to just getting your license suspended?
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jmx411 12/18/2014 6:17am
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Stewart has also been in trouble for hiring a doctor to to inject him between motos. Not talking about an angel here. You break the rules you serve the time.
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jmx411 12/18/2014 6:19am
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I am a part of this generation that is the "everyone should get a trophy" and for parents to not punish their kids when they get in trouble. Now we are seeing the consequences
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I wish James could race, but agreed , rules are rules, if you send out a message that rules can be bent , then everyone gonna expect the same treatment
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Ripper02 12/18/2014 6:24am
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WADA doesn't mess around, in there eyes Stew tested positive for amphetamine, nothing else beyond that matters. Punishment may be stiff, but that is the world we live in.
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jmx411 12/18/2014 6:27am
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Its not helping Stewart's cause when Deegan and Sorby are the main athletes posting to let Bubba ride. Not the type role models I want my kids looking up to.
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Stewart has done his time for his infraction, he basically lost his 2014 season results because of it. The problem is should he have to loose his 2015 results because of it. Most people think that is far to harsh and that includes me.

He admitted he did wrong so don't turn this into something its not.
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jmx411 wrote:
Its not helping Stewart's cause when Deegan and Sorby are the main athletes posting to let Bubba ride. Not the type role models I want my...
Its not helping Stewart's cause when Deegan and Sorby are the main athletes posting to let Bubba ride. Not the type role models I want my kids looking up to.
They are just the first!

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jmx411 12/18/2014 6:33am
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Its not helping Stewart's cause when Deegan and Sorby are the main athletes posting to let Bubba ride. Not the type role models I want my...
Its not helping Stewart's cause when Deegan and Sorby are the main athletes posting to let Bubba ride. Not the type role models I want my kids looking up to.
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They are just the first!

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Yea I know, and what I see happening is the FIM put this big suspension up to make a point, but they will back it down to probably four races or half a season. We see it alot with other sports, they put a big number up to make headlines and then they back it down after a hearing.
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mom241 12/18/2014 6:33am
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jmx411 wrote:
Stewart has also been in trouble for hiring a doctor to to inject him between motos. Not talking about an angel here. You break the rules...
Stewart has also been in trouble for hiring a doctor to to inject him between motos. Not talking about an angel here. You break the rules you serve the time.
Has anyone considered that Stewart was probably taking this substance for the whole season last year? He already got away with months of being "illegal".
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jmx411 wrote:
We have people in the streets doing wrong, but its the cops fault. Steward failed a drug test, but its FIM fault. When did the criminals...
We have people in the streets doing wrong, but its the cops fault. Steward failed a drug test, but its FIM fault. When did the criminals and cheaters start having a voice?
I don't think there are many people saying there should be no punishment but there are plenty of people saying the punishment should fit the crime.

The suspension isn't for using the drug, it's for not filing the correct paperwork.

If that carries 16 months what's a fair penalty for an actual failed drug test?

Make no mistake, the FIM is a self serving organisation which will flex its muscles at any opportunity.

Will all this fuss make change the Stewart outcome? I doubt it, they're way too arrogant for that but it will make them think twice next time, they won't be liking that people have dared to stand up to them.

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jmx411 12/18/2014 6:35am
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We live in a world where its the "Teachers fault", "Coaches fault", "Police's fault", "Schools fault". Man up and take ownership for the wrongdoing.
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jmx411 12/18/2014 6:35am
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jmx411 wrote:
We have people in the streets doing wrong, but its the cops fault. Steward failed a drug test, but its FIM fault. When did the criminals...
We have people in the streets doing wrong, but its the cops fault. Steward failed a drug test, but its FIM fault. When did the criminals and cheaters start having a voice?
ttproducts wrote:
I don't think there are many people saying there should be no punishment but there are plenty of people saying the punishment should fit the crime...
I don't think there are many people saying there should be no punishment but there are plenty of people saying the punishment should fit the crime.

The suspension isn't for using the drug, it's for not filing the correct paperwork.

If that carries 16 months what's a fair penalty for an actual failed drug test?

Make no mistake, the FIM is a self serving organisation which will flex its muscles at any opportunity.

Will all this fuss make change the Stewart outcome? I doubt it, they're way too arrogant for that but it will make them think twice next time, they won't be liking that people have dared to stand up to them.
Sometimes people are made examples of and I think this is what we are seeing.
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jmx411 wrote:
Stewart has also been in trouble for hiring a doctor to to inject him between motos. Not talking about an angel here. You break the rules...
Stewart has also been in trouble for hiring a doctor to to inject him between motos. Not talking about an angel here. You break the rules you serve the time.
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Has anyone considered that Stewart was probably taking this substance for the whole season last year? He already got away with months of being "illegal".
He's said himself he was taking it since late 2012
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jmx411 wrote:
I am a part of this generation that is the "everyone should get a trophy" and for parents to not punish their kids when they get...
I am a part of this generation that is the "everyone should get a trophy" and for parents to not punish their kids when they get in trouble. Now we are seeing the consequences
This is what's wrong with the world. You shouldn't receive an award unless it's earned and when you break the rules there should be consequences that will be enforced.

Whether one receives an award or an ass kicking is entirely up to each individual and the decisions that they make.
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jmx411 wrote:
Its not helping Stewart's cause when Deegan and Sorby are the main athletes posting to let Bubba ride. Not the type role models I want my...
Its not helping Stewart's cause when Deegan and Sorby are the main athletes posting to let Bubba ride. Not the type role models I want my kids looking up to.
Kawaboy14 wrote:
They are just the first!

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LOL. Now the money grubbing thieves joined in.
Mchenault499 12/18/2014 6:40am
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The problem is that the punishment doesnt fit the crime. WADA issued him a TUE essentially saying that he does need it for medical reasons and acknowledged that hes not cheating.

He SHOULD be punished for not having the TUE in, but WADA threw the book at him the same why they would have if he was caught with HGH or ANABOLIC STEROIDS.

He was already punished, he already missed races, IMO holding him out for maybe 4 supercross races would have been appropriate but they handed out 16 months, taking a year away from his career that he'll never get back.

Also, what kind of number is 16 months?

Let me put my bat shit insane vitalmxer conspiracy theorist hat on........It just so happens that he would be eligible to use the USGP as a comeback race generating a lot of attention and $$$ for the FIM and MXGP.
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pilotdude 12/18/2014 6:41am
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TommyLee93 wrote:
Taking a drug that is on the banned list without prior approval is a direct violation of the drug policy.
but taking that same drug with quote unquote approval is just fine and fucking dandy, right?
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jmx411 12/18/2014 6:43am
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TommyLee93 wrote:
Taking a drug that is on the banned list without prior approval is a direct violation of the drug policy.
pilotdude wrote:
but taking that same drug with quote unquote approval is just fine and fucking dandy, right?
You have to get the approval before you fail the drug test. What's so hard to understand?
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reded 12/18/2014 6:46am
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TommyLee93 wrote:
Taking a drug that is on the banned list without prior approval is a direct violation of the drug policy.
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but taking that same drug with quote unquote approval is just fine and fucking dandy, right?
Yes and that's how the rules are written, abide by it or pay the fine. Why are you guys having such a hard time coming to grips with this?
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VET74 12/18/2014 6:51am
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You just showed us your level of intelligence by your statement...Wink
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jmx411 12/18/2014 6:51am
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You have to have authority my man. If you don't you will eventually crumble from within.
Mchenault499 12/18/2014 6:53am
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TommyLee93 wrote:
Taking a drug that is on the banned list without prior approval is a direct violation of the drug policy.
pilotdude wrote:
but taking that same drug with quote unquote approval is just fine and fucking dandy, right?
reded wrote:
Yes and that's how the rules are written, abide by it or pay the fine. Why are you guys having such a hard time coming to...
Yes and that's how the rules are written, abide by it or pay the fine. Why are you guys having such a hard time coming to grips with this?
Ok but the FIM has set a precedent here. When someone gets caught taking DayQuil or a young rider not expecting to get on the podium and tested gets popped for using his asthma inhaler I expect at least a 16 month suspension.

All you people that are going to say theres a big difference... no there's not because WADA issued a TUE afterwards basically acknowledging that he needs it for medical reasons. So you better get your TUE in for Albueterol too.

These things have happened in other sports and will happen in our sport. The IOC has stripped medals from olympic athletes for cough medicine. Other organizations have issued a slap on the wrist and tell them to be more careful next time. The FIM has set precedence and lets all hope they are consistent.

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